Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

[Mattatron]

Yeah the non-Raps fans I know think this is an overpay by the Pacers lol

Fanbases in general overvalue picks in trades

Especially without knowing the year or protections? This is premature, frankly.

Go ask the Celtics what they did with the truck load of frp they have gotten from the Nets in that Pierce/Garnett trade. Or OKC what they did with that PG13 Picks... the more picks, the higher the chances to get real prospects.

[Raps in 4]

Yeah the non-Raps fans I know think this is an overpay by the Pacers lol

Fanbases in general overvalue picks in trades

Especially without knowing the year or protections? This is premature, frankly.

Go ask the Celtics what they did with the truck load of frp they have gotten from the Nets in that Pierce/Garnett trade. Or OKC what they did with that PG13 Picks... the more picks, the higher the chances to get real prospects.

The only issue is we're starting to collect picks very late in the game. Any players we draft in the coming years will be quite a few years behind Scottie and IQ on the development curve. We should have traded Siakam and Fred for a truckload of picks the moment we lucked out into a top-4 pick in 2021 and got Scottie.

[TimeForChange]

The only good thing to come out of this is that we know the Raptors are using Shams to leak perspective deals.

This whole nonsense about the Raps never leaking can be put to bed.

[Mak]

The only good thing to come out of this is that we know the Raptors are using Shams to leak perspective deals.

This whole nonsense about the Raps never leaking can be put to bed.

Put to bed until when? Later today when we trade Siakam to some random team that nobody talked about?

[Dude-niagara]

The only good thing to come out of this is that we know the Raptors are using Shams to leak perspective deals.

This whole nonsense about the Raps never leaking can be put to bed.

This makes the most sense, it makes no sense for Pacers to leak this. It benefits the Raptors for other teams that have interest in Pascal to read about 3 first rounders. Let's just hope a deal is finally done within the next 48 hours

[Appostis]

Yeah the non-Raps fans I know think this is an overpay by the Pacers lol

Fanbases in general overvalue picks in trades

Especially without knowing the year or protections? This is premature, frankly.

Go ask the Celtics what they did with the truck load of frp they have gotten from the Nets in that Pierce/Garnett trade. Or OKC what they did with that PG13 Picks... the more picks, the higher the chances to get real prospects.

So these picks...they are going to be high?

Oh..they aren't? ...and a young Canadian former high draft pick is not part of the trade?

It's almost as if they two situations aren't remotely similar...

[Mattatron]

Fanbases in general overvalue picks in trades

Especially without knowing the year or protections? This is premature, frankly.

Go ask the Celtics what they did with the truck load of frp they have gotten from the Nets in that Pierce/Garnett trade. Or OKC what they did with that PG13 Picks... the more picks, the higher the chances to get real prospects.

So these picks...they are going to be high?

Oh..they aren't? ...and a young Canadian former high draft pick is not part of the trade?

It's almost as if they two situations aren't remotely similar...

Was OG or Siakam a high draft pick ? Nope. So was Gobert, Jokic, Bam, Bane, Brunson....and the list goes on.

[Appostis]

Go ask the Celtics what they did with the truck load of frp they have gotten from the Nets in that Pierce/Garnett trade. Or OKC what they did with that PG13 Picks... the more picks, the higher the chances to get real prospects.

So these picks...they are going to be high?

Oh..they aren't? ...and a young Canadian former high draft pick is not part of the trade?

It's almost as if they two situations aren't remotely similar...

Was OG or Siakam a high draft pick ? Nope. So was Gobert, Jokic, Bam, Bane, Brunson....and the list goes on.

Great.. do you want to do the numbers of success vs failure in regards to high draft pick vs low draft pick?

It's a good thing the Raptors are getting 90 odd low draft picks to have that kind of success!!!!

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[Chalky_White]

The only good thing to come out of this is that we know the Raptors are using Shams to leak perspective deals.

This whole nonsense about the Raps never leaking can be put to bed.

Not certain its the Raptors side leaking to Shams. What are the chances its Pascal's camp leaking trade talks everytime the discussions get advanced in order to make a trade less likely? Happened with ATL and SAC, wouldnt be a surprise if thats what happened here.

Sam amick is pretty reliable so his name attached lends some credibility, but Shams just throws **** at the wall and sees what sticks.

[Yeezus_]

The only good thing to come out of this is that we know the Raptors are using Shams to leak perspective deals.

This whole nonsense about the Raps never leaking can be put to bed.

Not certain its the Raptors side leaking to Shams. What are the chances its Pascal's camp leaking trade talks everytime the discussions get advanced in order to make a trade less likely? Happened with ATL and SAC, wouldnt be a surprise if thats what happened here.

Sam amick is pretty reliable so his name attached lends some credibility, but Shams just throws **** at the wall and sees what sticks.

Nah Shams is the best in the business and is regarded at so.

[redraptor77]

I think the raptors will end up with a real player.
Too bad Raps didn’t take Grayson Allen for FVV instead of nothing. (I don’t care for him)he can shoot and is 28 with value. Raptors cannot make that same mistake.

[ash_k]

I think the raptors will end up with a real player.
Too bad Raps didn’t take Grayson Allen (I don’t care for him)he can shoot and is young.

Young in the sense that he is just ONE YEAR younger than Fred VanVleet, right? I know he looks like a teenager at times, but he will be 30 next year.

[StopitLeo]

Yeah the non-Raps fans I know think this is an overpay by the Pacers lol

Fanbases in general overvalue picks in trades

Especially without knowing the year or protections? This is premature, frankly.

Go ask the Celtics what they did with the truck load of frp they have gotten from the Nets in that Pierce/Garnett trade. Or OKC what they did with that PG13 Picks... the more picks, the higher the chances to get real prospects.

The Celtics had a lot of luck in how things played out. Their co-owner said of the trade:

We were going into a hole. We had lesser players and no coach and a multi-year rebuild. There was no celebration. We were sending two of our future Hall of Famers away. There was nothing good about this deal other than that we were doing the best we could.

Boston thought it wasn’t going to be until the 2018 pick where they might start to benefit from the trade. Ainge himself said that he didn’t expect the 2016 pick to be very high since the Nets projected to be a very good team. They also didn’t expect much from the 2017 swap because they expected the Nets would be better than them; the swap was also basically a throw in to close the deal. The Nets were terrible in the years following the trade and we know what that meant for Boston. The trade wasn’t a stroke of genius or anything and the Celtics would admit as much.

As for OKC, they are .500 on those PG13 picks. They drafted Tre Mann in 2021 and he has shown very little. The 2022 pick was successfully used in selecting Jalen Williams. It remains to be seen how those picks play out. They may not even use them since SGA blowing up and Chet looking amazing means they need players who can help now and not prospects.

[bartron_44]

Well they likely wont have any picks this year. So if they choose a package of picks plus garbage, I hope at least one of them is this year.

If they choose tank mode though, they better try to get Poeltl (due to lack of fit) and impending free agents like Shroder and GTJ offloaded too before they leave for nothing as well to a place that will let them start. Be real sellers and fully commit to a rebuild around the young BBQ trio.



However since Scottie seems to be ready to be a main piece of a playoff run already, and both RJ and Quickley are are ready to be secondary scorers, I still think they should keep the best player involved in any of these deals. ..including anyone chosen with those draft picks for at least the next 3 years. It makes waaaay more sense if they want to be good again any time soon to give Pascal the full 5, and simply trade guys like Poeltl, GTJ and Boucher for picks and role players that fit better with our core to remake this team.


All-NBA level talent is extremely hard to come by. Dont force one out that actually wants to stay because you are too cheap to pay them. It isnt Pascal that is killing us, it is the 15-20 million dollar guys who either don’t fit or aren’t producing enough for what they are getting paid.

Pascal is having his best season since Kawhi left and made him their number 1 option. He couldnt do it by himself, but now that Scottie is starting to demand more attention than Fred (or OG) ever did, he is back to being the exact type of player you want to go with Scottie B. Imo they are actually only one move away from being extremely relevant again in the East. They just need to find a way to turn Poeltl, GTJ, Schroder and Boucher into an elite defensive C.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Fanbases in general overvalue picks in trades

Especially without knowing the year or protections? This is premature, frankly.

Go ask the Celtics what they did with the truck load of frp they have gotten from the Nets in that Pierce/Garnett trade. Or OKC what they did with that PG13 Picks... the more picks, the higher the chances to get real prospects.

The only issue is we're starting to collect picks very late in the game. Any players we draft in the coming years will be quite a few years behind Scottie and IQ on the development curve. We should have traded Siakam and Fred for a truckload of picks the moment we lucked out into a top-4 pick in 2021 and got Scottie.

thats the nature of the game. you want continuous development. and Barnes is young enough that when he gets going in his prime, IQ and Barnes would be making, lets say, max money, that these picks would be great support (or more) players to them.

OR you can trade these picks down the line.

now FVV, i think Masai and Webster overplayed their hand, obviously.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

The only good thing to come out of this is that we know the Raptors are using Shams to leak perspective deals.

This whole nonsense about the Raps never leaking can be put to bed.

Not certain its the Raptors side leaking to Shams. What are the chances its Pascal's camp leaking trade talks everytime the discussions get advanced in order to make a trade less likely? Happened with ATL and SAC, wouldnt be a surprise if thats what happened here.

Sam amick is pretty reliable so his name attached lends some credibility, but Shams just throws **** at the wall and sees what sticks.

nah. now you're just throwing **** at the wall and seeing if it sticks.

[Merit]

Besides Toronto, you think Pascal or his agent has told Masai where he wants play?

Or you think it’s complete radio science between the two sides?

We don’t even knows if Pascal wants to stay in Toronto

We all assume he does. But we don’t know.

He said he wanted to and we’re the team that can offer him the most money. EDIT: check the windy video a few posts above. Pascal doesn’t get the super max elsewhere.

[SpezNc]

Besides Toronto, you think Pascal or his agent has told Masai where he wants play?

Or you think it’s complete radio science between the two sides?

We don’t even knows if Pascal wants to stay in Toronto

We all assume he does. But we don’t know.

He said he wanted to and we’re the team that can offer him the most money. EDIT: check the windy video a few posts above. Pascal doesn’t get the super max elsewhere.

I am not talking contract . I am wondering if he actually wants to stay here. Siakam has not been enthusiastic this season . He is doing his job and he is professional but considering the issues with the FO, I actually doubts he wants to stays here long term

Off season house is in Florida . The team is building around Barnes . He wants the Bags .

He knows he is gone and he just try to survive the season IMO

[Brinbe]

If the team were to offer him a 5 year max he's staying here, no doubt. No player is turning that down.

But the team has made it pretty clear they're not gonna offer him that. Now they could offer something more than what other teams could and still not be at the full max but in that case if it's a few millions difference he may well opt for a Philly.

That being said, a divorce is best for all parties at this point. BBQ are the focus of the team now.