Woj: Raptors trade Pascal Siakam to Pacers for Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, Kira Lewis and 3 first round picks

[IMF]

Wouldn't like the deal. Brucy B. get's underestimated a lot. He's our second ballhandler that you can play in a high pressure environment. Nembhard is too turnoverprone and in bad form and TJ's lack of a threepointshot will make him unplayable in crunchtime against good teams. Bruce is also one of our best defenders and will allways contribute, even when his shot isn't falling. It also would be a bad look to trade one of the best free agents we ever got (yeah, sad enough), half a year after he signed his contract. He's a pro so I don't know how pissed he would be, but I can't believe we trade him. Would be really sad to see him leave even if Siakam is really good. Don't really care about the 1sts but giving away Bruce for a potential rental - I hope not.

Markannen is a pipedream. Don't think he is even on the market. Utah would be foolish to trade him for anything like an allready established young guy and I don't even know who that would be. They are on a run and have no reason to trade him.

not a Pacers fan myself but I agree with everything u said

it's a really bad look to trade Brown.
he was specifically enticed from a championship team in which he was by all accounts very happy with the situation. obviously he got handsomely compensated for that (as Denver could only offer him so much)

but still, to go around 6 months later in which he's been great for Indy and a part in their success and what they're building..a guy with finals experience on a young team which lacks experience in general

seems very strange, and all that for Siakam of all people?
I think Siakam is a good player and will make the team better but he's not some superstar where u say ok Brucie, srry we love ya but..

I think this narrative about Brown is BS personally. In this instance a 1+1 deal with a team option is exactly what it is, a very team friendly deal that allows for maximum flexibility in trades or potential free agency. I assume him and his agent aren’t stupid. Brown took the most money, this was the only way he was getting $20 million a year and he took it. I think it’s absurd to portray using his contract in a trade as some sort of betrayal. This is what he signed up for.

[oldncreaky]

They need to do this deal like the NFL does. Make the deal 1 first and 2 2nds but if Siakam plays 1 game in 2025 for the Pacers, then one of those 2nds becomes a first and if he plays 1 game for them in 2027, then the other one does also. Something like that.

I think structuring a deal like this makes sense for both Indy and Toronto, but I don't know if the CBA allows it and I can't recall a deal like that

[phanman]

Oh man if that tweet is true, then I don't think any front office will trade for him. I'm assuming OG has a wink wink deal to re up with the Knicks. Siakam gonna screw Masai on the way out it seems. I guess I don't blame him since Masai did put him on blast to start the year by calling him selfish

How exactly is Pascal trying to screw Masai when he want he actually wants to stay? He isn't the one trying to initiate a break up. He's followed taken up the mantle left my DeMar's departure and embraced being in Toronto. He wants to control his destiny and him putting out statements that he won't guarantee and or even discuss contract extensions is well within his rights as an upcoming unrestricted free agent.

With all the issues we've all this season with the unbalanced roster to start and the post trade. He has been nothing but professional as his role has constantly changed throughout the year.

[Wargreymon]

Oh man if that tweet is true, then I don't think any front office will trade for him. I'm assuming OG has a wink wink deal to re up with the Knicks. Siakam gonna screw Masai on the way out it seems. I guess I don't blame him since Masai did put him on blast to start the year by calling him selfish

How exactly is Pascal trying to screw Masai when he want he actually wants to stay? He isn't the one trying to initiate a break up. He's followed taken up the mantle left my DeMar's departure and embraced being in Toronto. He wants to control his destiny and him putting out statements that he won't guarantee and or even discuss contract extensions is well within his rights as an upcoming unrestricted free agent.

With all the issues we've all this season with the unbalanced roster to start and the post trade. He has been nothing but professional as his role has constantly changed throughout the year.

Absolutely it's within his rights to pick his destiny. It just screws us over that's all. Return will be pennies or worse...nothing

[PushDaRock]

Oh man if that tweet is true, then I don't think any front office will trade for him. I'm assuming OG has a wink wink deal to re up with the Knicks. Siakam gonna screw Masai on the way out it seems. I guess I don't blame him since Masai did put him on blast to start the year by calling him selfish

How exactly is Pascal trying to screw Masai when he want he actually wants to stay? He isn't the one trying to initiate a break up. He's followed taken up the mantle left my DeMar's departure and embraced being in Toronto. He wants to control his destiny and him putting out statements that he won't guarantee and or even discuss contract extensions is well within his rights as an upcoming unrestricted free agent.

With all the issues we've all this season with the unbalanced roster to start and the post trade. He has been nothing but professional as his role has constantly changed throughout the year.

Absolutely it's within his rights to pick his destiny. It just screws us over that's all. Return will be pennies or worse...nothing

Honestly, why should he care about the return we could get for him if he's no longer going to be playing here?

[docholliday99]

These FRP's for Indy, I kinda see it similar to OKC, as Indy's roster is young, has a lot of depth and are on the cusp of contending - to me in makes sense that now would be the time to use them and add a player like Pascal, who's already won it all and knows what it takes (besides Brown no one else on Indy has his experience and if Brown is traded, he takes it with him). I get the flight risk part but does anyone really think Pascal would leave a team that could give him that 5th year AND be on a roster that's still young enough where they could conceivably contend for the term of that contract? Not to mention, they'd retain all their future FRP's to add when they do start aging out.
Indy or OKC would be silly not to, though I do understand they don't want to outbid themselves.

Unlike OG, Siakam love it up here where he can say Eh like a true Canadian. So if we don't get the trades that we want, we just resigned him while the Pacers can regret not trading Walker or Mathurin for our best defender who been knocking down 3s on the wing at a 48% clip.

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Yawn. He's taking the 5 year max from any team that trades for him and he knows it.

a million % and then some

[bisme37]

I don't love giving up Bruce Brown and 3 firsts, but Siakam would indeed look really good on the Pacers.

If the Raps end up with Brown they could flip him to a contender and probably get another first.

[Zeno]

I don't love giving up Bruce Brown and 3 firsts, but Siakam would indeed look really good on the Pacers.

If the Raps end up with Brown they could flip him to a contender and probably get another first.

People have this bias with 1st rounders where if it is late 20s they act like it is super valuable but if it is an early 2nd it is just a throw in. These are likely very late 1sts. It probably equates to 5-6 very early 2nds but no one would be holy cow, they trade 6 2nds for all-nba player that is too much.

[srhcan]

Bennedict Mathurin and/or Jarace Walker and/or Jalen Smith has to be included in the return for Siakam or else no deal.

[boomershadow]

Bennedict Mathurin and/or Jarace Walker and/or Jalen Smith has to be included in the return for Siakam or else no deal.

Latest proposal I saw from Pacers included Brown, Nwora, and either of Smith/Toppin.

[Sixerscan]

They wont tank, they will be a play in team and probably not make it into the playoffs. Draft sucks this year better off giving it up to the spurs this year to get it off the books rather than convey for future years.

They’re not a playin team today and they might be trading their leading scorer for a draft picks and a role player.

Pascal is a great player, but his touches can easily be distributed between RJ, Quick, and Scottie. If Raps can get a solid role player defender in return for pascal (like Bruce) they will be just as good as they are now.

Ok again I would point you to the team being 12th in the conference/tied for the 6th worst record and on pace to lose 50 games currently.

[Sixerscan]

Doesn't it seem like he wants to be a 76er?

Should Indy really pay him a 5 year max? A guy who will be on the decline soon, and grossly overpaid the 2nd half of his contract as he approaches 35.

Because that is what it's going to take to keep him away from the 76ers.

So either you get a one year rental, or an overpaid player, and you lose 3 1st rounders in the process. No thanks!

Hasn’t seemed like the Sixers have had much interest in him either. Nurse apparently wants to move on from the Toronto era. Who knows if it’s a bluff.

[Johnny Bball]

I don't love giving up Bruce Brown and 3 firsts, but Siakam would indeed look really good on the Pacers.

If the Raps end up with Brown they could flip him to a contender and probably get another first.

Orlando has picks and dead salary.

[Castle Black]

It is done.

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[metafisical]

Seems like a losing prospect for Indy honestly. Siakam doesn't put them over the top and what Masai wants for him is unreasonable especially considering it could end up being a half year rental.

Honestly hope he just leaves Toronto in the offseason and they end up with nothing. Masai is the most overrated GM in the NBA

Which is what happened for FVV. Thought he would re-sign but didn't. All the "we can re-sign him and then trade him later" narrative doesn't work if the player doesn't re-sign. And it's the same fear for Siakim.

I prefer pennies on the dollar than nothing on the dollar.

Both sides intended on him re-signing. Things only changed when Houston decided to pay him 40m a year which the Raptors weren't going to match and he couldn't turn down.

But the result was that we lost him for nothing at the end of the day, despite there being offers for him up until the trade deadline (albeit underwhelming). Raps FO "gambled", thinking everything was in the bag, and lost. A rival team making a ridiculous offer is always in the cards, including for Siakim.

[Castle Black]

[Jadoogar]

Home run for the Pacers.
really weak return for the Raptors but this is the situation they put themselves in

[Plutonashfan]

Looks like it done. Pacers are legit!

[Effigy]

Well it’s done. I hope he resigns or this looks like a yikes.

At least 2 of the picks are this year in a bad draft though. Raptor fans who wanted to give up their pick this year because the draft is so bad may now have 3 firsts in it.

[Braggins]

There is some risk to this for the Pacers but damn this is going to be fun in the short term at least.