2023-2024 Regular Season Game 41: Orlando Magic (22-18) at Atlanta Hawks (16-23) - 7:30pm

JF5 · Post #581 » by **JF5** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:25 am

I'm happy to see Wendell get his groove back. Looking like the dude we all know he can be the last few games.

Post #582 » by **SOUL** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:26 am

BlueBalls wrote:An AI powered mannequin could have this team at .500 by the break. Other than being a players’ coach, he adds nothing. He’s a subpar tactical coach and his personnel decisions are beyond defending.

Agree to disagree. Most people thought having to play our rookie PG and 3rd string center meant a very tough time, and we rolled off 9 straight wins.

He's had to play Queen, Houstan and Okeke because we had so many injuries to our depth and while we've struggled lately, we've picked up an improbable win @ Denver and a gritty win @ NY.

Now our 2nd best player (who technically is playing better than Paolo in terms of impact) is out and we have no great offensive options.. yeah, sure an AI can coach an incredibly young and injured team to the same record...

Again, no issue calling his rotations garbage tonight.. but it's the same stuff every fanbase complains about. Snyder is supposed to be a brilliant offensive coach and yet Hawks fans are once again pissed and want to get rid of their third coach in a few years...

Maybe it's something else.

thelead · Post #583 » by **thelead** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:28 am

JF5 wrote:I'm happy to see Wendell get his groove back. Looking like the dude we all know he can be the last few games.

I still prefer what Goga brings but it is awesome to see WCJ starting to play well again.

Black and Blue · Post #584 » by **Black and Blue** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:29 am

Knightro wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Anyone think coach Mos has orders to showcase Fultz?

I don't believe this is the case.

Fultz's value in a trade is entirely tied to his expiring contract, not what he provides on the court.

I agree. Mose had him out there because he does not in any way trust AB right now and does not appear to have a high opinion of Cole’s defense.

This is the trade deadline I will be the most angry if this team does nothing. They have way too much ammo in expirings and picks for them to just slip away and net nothing. And it couldn’t be more clear who will and won’t be a part of this team’s future.

thelead · Post #585 » by **thelead** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:30 am

Suggs on Fultz: ... he has his own things going on...

Reading between the lines, sounds like everyone knows his shoulder is f'ed.

ibraheim718 · Post #586 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:30 am

This is deliberate. I felt like the AB Suggs backcourt has looked the best so far. They HAVE to play Fultz and Carter too (they have to know the dude is damaged goods) to trade them

Suggs without Ab puts too much pressure on Jalen to come up with stops.

We've seen this game one too many times.. they are deliberately playing players to move them.

Post #587 » by **ChosenSavior** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:32 am

Gotta grow and learn how to beat the bad teams. Having to go back home to play the Sixers and the Heat is gonna be a tall order.

I'm still angry at the rotations tonight but Coach Mose overall is doing a good job. Do not lump me in with the ones that may want him fired. He has his own growing pains as a head coach.

I like when he subbed in Fultz in the Knicks game because he was playing well overall and Suggs was a bit erratic. Tonight, not so much.

KillMonger · Post #588 » by **KillMonger** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:32 am

If houstan is getting minutes man he has to hit more shots.......few of his shots end up being like turnovers 1 shot no offensive rebound.... Got to hit more open shots

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basketballRob · Post #589 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:32 am

richi_v25 wrote:Oh nooooo the 6ers are next... I'm not saying it's an automatic loss but may the odds be in our favor bc that's a tough team.

Franz and possibly Harris will be back so we could be at full strength.

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KillMonger · Post #590 » by **KillMonger** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:33 am

richi_v25 wrote:Oh nooooo the 6ers are next... I'm not saying it's an automatic loss but may the odds be in our favor bc that's a tough team.

Prepare for embiid to go to the line a million times

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ibraheim718 · Post #591 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:33 am

SOUL wrote:
BlueBalls wrote:An AI powered mannequin could have this team at .500 by the break. Other than being a players’ coach, he adds nothing. He’s a subpar tactical coach and his personnel decisions are beyond defending.

Agree to disagree. Most people thought having to play our rookie PG and 3rd string center meant a very tough time, and we rolled off 9 straight wins.

He's had to play Queen, Houstan and Okeke because we had so many injuries to our depth and while we've struggled lately, we've picked up an improbable win @ Denver and a gritty win @ NY.

Now our 2nd best player (who technically is playing better than Paolo in terms of impact) is out and we have no great offensive options.. yeah, sure an AI can coach an incredibly young and injured team to the same record...

Again, no issue calling his rotations garbage tonight.. but it's the same stuff every fanbase complains about. Snyder is supposed to be a brilliant offensive coach and yet Hawks fans are once again pissed and want to get rid of their third coach in a few years...

Maybe it's something else.

Mosley also has a boss that he has to answer to. He has to play certain guys right now. They (Front Office) have most likely laid out a plan at the start of the season... making Fultz, Harris.. maybe WCJ tradable assets.

thelead · Post #592 » by **thelead** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:34 am

basketballRob wrote:
richi_v25 wrote:Oh nooooo the 6ers are next... I'm not saying it's an automatic loss but may the odds be in our favor bc that's a tough team.
Franz and possibly Harris will be back so we could be at full strength.

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Full strength but playing an injured Fultz over AB isn't really full strength.

Post #593 » by **SOUL** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:34 am

ChosenSavior wrote:Gotta grow and learn how to beat the bad teams. Having to go back home to play the Sixers and the Heat is gonna be a tall order.

I'm still angry at the rotations tonight but Coach Mose overall is doing a good job. Do not lump me in with the ones that may want him fired. He has his own growing pains as a head coach.

I like when he subbed in Fultz in the Knicks game because he was playing well overall and Suggs was a bit erratic. Tonight, not so much.

I def have no problems calling out his rotations tonight. But to be fair, plenty of games this year people were like "WTF?" and they've worked. That being said, man, so many "shot ourselves in the foot" moments tonight from coaching to players not being able to do simple things. It's like all these injuries have made them forgot about the details.

JF5 · Post #594 » by **JF5** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:34 am

thelead wrote:
JF5 wrote:I'm happy to see Wendell get his groove back. Looking like the dude we all know he can be the last few games.

I still prefer what Goga brings but it is awesome to see WCJ starting to play well again.

I like Goga's rebounding and shot blocking. But when you're playing against teams with talented perimeters and like to switch its very hard to run him a lot, unfortunately. Wendell isn't a shot blocker but is a lot more adept to guarding the perimeter. Also, that offensive bag is A LOT more expansive. Though a small sample size he's shoot 40 percent from 3 thus season...

ibraheim718 · Post #595 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:35 am

A little too careless with the ball tonight too... they'll have to taper that number down in the next couple of years.

ibraheim718 · Post #596 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:37 am

thelead wrote:Suggs on Fultz: ... he has his own things going on...

Reading between the lines, sounds like everyone knows his shoulder is f'ed.

The jumper in the paint his clanked off the front of the rim and the 3 on 1 fastbreak were two of the worst plays I've seen all year. His mind is cooked.. he's done.

Post #597 » by **SOUL** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:37 am

I loved Suggs play tonight in terms of efficiency, but Trae for some reason gets him to take stupid fouls. Then he argued with the ref all down the court, missed an easy and-1 and only got 1 FT out of it. These little things will get better.

ibraheim718 · Post #598 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:38 am

SOUL wrote:I loved Suggs play tonight in terms of efficiency, but Trae for some reason gets him to take stupid fouls. Then he argued with the ref all down the court, missed an easy and-1 and only got 1 FT out of it. These little things will get better.

They've all been learning a lot this year.

ibraheim718 · Post #599 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:40 am

But yeah Fultz is finished.. WCJ is a dumbass.. probably need to keep Joe around for a couple of years.. Cole had some nice moments.. Paolo competed.. Jalen had a decent game. Hope Franz comes back soon so they don't dip below .500. Isaac had a couple of nice possessions... Chuma did a couple of things.

Post #600 » by **FFBlitzace** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:41 am

Some really tough losses lately. When our opponent turns it over 22 times and only scores 106, we really can't afford to not win that game. But abysmal shooting is hard to overcome. Atlanta cashed in at the line while we once again shot sub-70%.

At some point these NBA players just have to make shots. We don't have a lot of high level offensive talent on the team, we know that. But these shooting performances continue to fall below even the lowest expectation. Caleb Houstan can't just be a shooting specialist who only shoots well a few times a month. I'm not trying to single him out as the scapegoat, I'm just saying.