PG: Knicks Stomp Raptor's Dick Into The Dirt with Stiff Presence by Precious

[MrDollarBills]

for me, it has nothing to do with one game (he was bad tho). we just need someone who can either create a shot or hit an open three. he can't do either..

This is what it boils down to. Bruce is a solid player but he's not what the team needs. Everything he does, Josh Hart does*

Spoiler:

*except raw dogging porn actresses and knocking them up

I've been sold on the angle that we already have a Josh Hart.

That said, I LOVE Brown openly campaigning to come here. Not for the player as much as it shows we're a destination again. Players want to come here. A few short years of success and everyone forgot about Dolan and the Two Decades of Misery.

Yeah that's a good sign that guys are openly talking about the Knicks as a destination. Bruce is a straight shooter and already has his money, so that was a great endorsement from an absolute pro. But yeah, he's not a good fit for what the team needs right now.

He's not the only guy who would be down to hoop with Brunson. Mark my words.

[K_ick_God]

He De-butchered Dave’s name

It's called a play on words.

It’s called a play on words.

[F N 11]

Evidence of awful coaching

Brunson carries this team offensively. People need to point out Thibs weaknesses on both ends without studs.

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most teams suck without their best player.. the nuggets look god awful without jokic

Probably but Mike Malone is known for running actual sets

[robillionaire]

I've noticed we're setting up Randle in more catch and shoot situations lately and he's converting. Donte as playmaker is opening these up.

They have a good two man game on offense

[Clyde_Style]

what a wonderful, convincing win that was. talk about some craptors fan repellant. that should keep their ass away for a while.

bruce brown begging to be here is laughable, delicious icing on the fuq you cake.

Players are begging and pleading to come here and escape the failing toronto softies and be coached by Thibs who plays the game the right way so they can be a part of this juggernaut Leon has built. What a time to be alive folks

Making that statement after Bruce Brown grovels to be extradited from the Canadian wastelands is equivalent to claiming you're the # 1 Playboy of the Western World because you just got busy with a lot lizard

[Jalen Bluntson]

He De-butchered Dave’s name

It's called a play on words.

It’s called a play on words.

It's called that went right over my head! Someone else made it seem like he didn't know how to spell it. Thought you were piling on.

[Clyde_Style]

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It would make the trade off the charts successful if Achoo can play up this level more often

He's got the size and strength we need for frontcourt depth

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Actually that was me in RJ’s head. My thunder stick banging was ferocious in the 2nd half from section 1.

You should have gone mano a mano with Dick

[Clyde_Style]

why such little Dick last night?
probably load management I guess.

Knicks D put a condom on Dick last night, prevented him from filling the hole.

Minutes affected because TO FO pressuring the coach to run a Dickless offense

[robillionaire]

Yeah if Thibs wasn't dealing with such a loaded team...like if he had to coach the Celtics, Thunder, or 6ers...then that would be impressive. But with as much talent as we have, anyone could do it

It’s almost like this man doesn’t have 2 COYs for making teams better than the sum of their parts. And like the most glaring example wasn’t with this team.

He gets credit for building a culture I give him that. Also gets guys to play hard. But to act like the man doesn’t have glaring weaknesses such as below is just riding the high. Which is fine but “if” it comes back to bite us I don’t want to see people complaining. There’s a reason he went around the league meeting new coaches trying to get new philosophies etc and had to come out and say he’s evolved to get another job.

-Meh rotations and refuses to use the guys on his roster in regular season. Rather overplay top guys.

-Meh offense, relys on iso players to create rather than have an offense in place. “Drive and kick” and let the game tell you what to do is not an offense.

-Without Mitch he crumbled defensively and for some reason still doubles scrub of the night players and leave guys open for 3. It got so bad many here complained about it ALOT. Gave up 130 ppg in December.


I like the team I just see some things that can harm us when we trying to advance in playoffs.

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If a recent poll of NBA players conducted by The Athletic is any indication, hardwood outsiders don't want to be a part of it in New York, New York if Tom Thibodeau was around.

The New York Knicks' head coach topped a survey of 55 players when polled on the question of "Which current coach, aside from your own, would you least want to play for?." Thibodeau topped the list at over 43 percent, more than doubling the output toward Stephen Silas, the since-fired head coach of the Houston Rockets. Responses of "other" comes in third while Philadelphia's Doc Rivers rounds out the top four.

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-york-knicks-head-coach-tom-thibodeau-nba-player-poll-madison-square-garden

I’m a big Thibs hater but I bring the evidence. Can’t do anything if the player don’t match his “philosophy” aka Fournier / Kemba / Cam

That whole 43% don’t want to play for him is so meaningless to me even if true. Ok so you got 43% who want to coast through life without working hard and you have the other 57% to sort through. But we don’t even need 57%. There are 450 guys on active rosters at all times and we need like 8 of those guys to buy in to the way we do things here. We need the 1%. The top 1% that wants to play hard and wants to put in work to win. And you know what, if Brunson wanted Thibs gone he’d be gone at any time but doesn’t want a vacation he wants to win. Thibs hired Brunson’s dad to work for the Bulls in 2010. It’s a big happy family. And it’s the best Knicks basketball I’ve watched in my adult life. Thibs forever

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Evidence of awful coaching

or

the results of the

OGBusschere Effect

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Once a Knick ALWAYS A KNICK! Love you RJ keep Shining Young King!

They can say whatever they want, but RJ and IQ miss it here.

They both tried ignoring the video tribute last night to avoid getting emotional. I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but at one point IQ sat on his bench with his eyes closed during the tribute. Their faces said volumes.

Still, wishing them both well. Once a KNICK, always a KNICK!

It has to be harder on IQ I think. While he wants the bag and a bigger role, I think he genuinely loved NYC in a way that cannot be replaced

RJ got to go home so while it may be bittersweet for him, the outcome was a best case scenario for him

[robillionaire]

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Once a Knick ALWAYS A KNICK! Love you RJ keep Shining Young King!

They can say whatever they want, but RJ and IQ miss it here.

They both tried ignoring the video tribute last night to avoid getting emotional. I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but at one point IQ sat on his bench with his eyes closed during the tribute. Their faces said volumes.

Still, wishing them both well. Once a KNICK, always a KNICK!

It has to be harder on IQ I think. While he wants the bag and a bigger role, I think he genuinely loved NYC in a way that cannot be replaced

RJ got to go home so while it may be bittersweet for him, the outcome was a best case scenario for him

I think IQ would try to leave the raptors if they couldn’t match any offer he takes. I bet he will sign an offer sheet with some other team and hope to the heavens they don’t match it

[sol537]

Yo… Precious played some great D (and O) yesterday but his defense hustle and awareness is pretty refreshing… maybe he can carve out a niche here

[Clyde_Style]

Yeah if Thibs wasn't dealing with such a loaded team...like if he had to coach the Celtics, Thunder, or 6ers...then that would be impressive. But with as much talent as we have, anyone could do it

It’s almost like this man doesn’t have 2 COYs for making teams better than the sum of their parts. And like the most glaring example wasn’t with this team.

He gets credit for building a culture I give him that. Also gets guys to play hard. But to act like the man doesn’t have glaring weaknesses such as below is just riding the high. Which is fine but “if” it comes back to bite us I don’t want to see people complaining. There’s a reason he went around the league meeting new coaches trying to get new philosophies etc and had to come out and say he’s evolved to get another job.

-Meh rotations and refuses to use the guys on his roster in regular season. Rather overplay top guys.

-Meh offense, relys on iso players to create rather than have an offense in place. “Drive and kick” and let the game tell you what to do is not an offense.

-Without Mitch he crumbled defensively and for some reason still doubles scrub of the night players and leave guys open for 3. It got so bad many here complained about it ALOT. Gave up 130 ppg in December.


I like the team I just see some things that can harm us when we trying to advance in playoffs.

Also check out this article

If a recent poll of NBA players conducted by The Athletic is any indication, hardwood outsiders don't want to be a part of it in New York, New York if Tom Thibodeau was around.

The New York Knicks' head coach topped a survey of 55 players when polled on the question of "Which current coach, aside from your own, would you least want to play for?." Thibodeau topped the list at over 43 percent, more than doubling the output toward Stephen Silas, the since-fired head coach of the Houston Rockets. Responses of "other" comes in third while Philadelphia's Doc Rivers rounds out the top four.

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-york-knicks-head-coach-tom-thibodeau-nba-player-poll-madison-square-garden

I’m a big Thibs hater but I bring the evidence. Can’t do anything if the player don’t match his “philosophy” aka Fournier / Kemba / Cam

That could matter a great deal when it comes to landing another big fish, but that hypothetically leaves 57% of the NBA that doesn't care if Thibs is here. Anyone who wants to be in NYC wants what the city brings and the glory they could achieve. I doubt the coach will impede that decision.

This FO is fully Thibs-centric, I don't hang on to any hope he will be replaced anytime soon. I expect him to go out feet first actually, a corpulent and decaying Orc version of Pops.

[Clyde_Style]

We can't praise Julius around here.

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I hope he has a monster postseason so he can finally start getting some respect. Cause people really obsess about his shortcomings in a way that they just don't for other players who are around his level.

I get that he's not always the most aesthetically pleasing watch, he's not the kind of super high IQ player that people love, and some of his spots aren't "good shots"...there's a reason I was a hater at first too lol...but he's still a really good player who makes a huge impact for this team.

We're lucky to have two All-NBA caliber players...plus an All-defensive team guy...all in their primes.

I don’t totally disagree but also it’s not like these errors are aesthetic. Cmon. These errors don’t seem like a big deal in a win but they’re gonna cost you games.

Now, I will concede that he probably can only play this way. Like all of life you take the good with the bad.

If, by some miracle, Randle not only excels in the playoffs, but also plays smart and relatively error-free ball, I will sing his praises to the Hoops Gods.

Probability though is he will have multiple meltdowns under pressure. He always does so I expect more of the same, not unlikely miracles.

And Randle's tendency to melt down under pressure is one of the two primary caps on this current roster's ceiling along with Thibs getting outcoached in the playoffs.

Both will happen the deeper you go into the playoffs.

[prophet_of_rage]

I can feel for Brown - he was traded to a team in a small city outside the US where it was 11ºF this morning. His style of play is Thibs' style. But as everybody says, he's so similar to Hart that we can't use them both together.

But I like this for us — players are seeing what's going on in NY and want to become a part of the Knicks as the team approaches a level of being contenders for a while. There's also a lot of team chemistry, so it's a great place for our players to be (except for the lamentable 4nier).

Small city? Toronto is 4th or 5th largest city in North America.

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Roughly a third of the density of NYC, 35% of the population of NYC (but NYC has a huge metro area), and is the the 65th largest city in the world.

Spoiler:

Toronto's Dick shrinks in the cold weather.

So by your standards they left a small city for a smaller city. Gotcha.

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Once a Knick ALWAYS A KNICK! Love you RJ keep Shining Young King!

They can say whatever they want, but RJ and IQ miss it here.

They both tried ignoring the video tribute last night to avoid getting emotional. I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but at one point IQ sat on his bench with his eyes closed during the tribute. Their faces said volumes.

Still, wishing them both well. Once a KNICK, always a KNICK!

It has to be harder on IQ I think. While he wants the bag and a bigger role, I think he genuinely loved NYC in a way that cannot be replaced

RJ got to go home so while it may be bittersweet for him, the outcome was a best case scenario for him

iq will be fine once he gets the bag this off season, but yeah i do think the trade was originally the hardest on him

[prophet_of_rage]

I've noticed we're setting up Randle in more catch and shoot situations lately and he's converting. Donte as playmaker is opening these up.

They have a good two man game on offense

Randle had a similar two.man game with Fournier back in the day. He works with a shooter as a screener for him.

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[Capn'O]

This is what it boils down to. Bruce is a solid player but he's not what the team needs. Everything he does, Josh Hart does*

Spoiler:

*except raw dogging porn actresses and knocking them up

I've been sold on the angle that we already have a Josh Hart.

That said, I LOVE Brown openly campaigning to come here. Not for the player as much as it shows we're a destination again. Players want to come here. A few short years of success and everyone forgot about Dolan and the Two Decades of Misery.

Yeah that's a good sign that guys are openly talking about the Knicks as a destination. Bruce is a straight shooter and already has his money, so that was a great endorsement from an absolute pro. But yeah, he's not a good fit for what the team needs right now.

He's not the only guy who would be down to hoop with Brunson. Mark my words.

Yup. He's a big draw.


FO made a great call on him. I'll say something a little spicy here but it doesn't happen without Phil ducking the typical Knick way of splurging assets for second rate players and allowing our own pick pool to reset, then Pills resetting the books, acquiring additional assets, and getting a decent player here in Randle. Those regimes left a lot to be desired in terms of execution but we've seen a slow, methodical transition back towards being a stable franchise that can operate from strength instead of desperation. Now we have a good FO with better execution and they broke the Charlie Ward Curse. Brunson and OG were two high level moves.

Hartenstein was another where they identified a player that could expand their game in an expanded role. I still have some hope for Precious.