Should Magic go after Dejounte Murray or Tyus Jones?

JoshuaPotter · Post #101 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:30 pm

eyriq wrote:I live a romance novel

Me TOO!

swarlesbarkley · Post #102 » by **swarlesbarkley** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:35 pm

I'd take Murray on our team. Seems like he could have an OG-like impact for us since we're team with a defensive/hustle culture.

Post #103 » by **eyriq** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:52 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:I live a romance novel

Me TOO!

Lolz

pepe1991 · Post #104 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:12 pm

RichCollab wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:It should be said that Murray, prior to awful trade to Atlanta ( due very problematic fit with Trae) ,averaged 9,2 assists on 2,6 turnovers on Spurs.

He can be very good on ball player. He is good defender for sure.

Now, some immaturity , cost, shooting issues are still there, but he would instatlly become best PG Magic had in past 10 years.

Is it just immaturity or his mental makeup?

Probably little bit of both, that Paolo "feud" was so childish for somebody who is veteran.

OrlDave · Post #105 » by **OrlDave** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:18 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote: We have to try to get Paolo some help. Our offense is ranked 24th.

I will point out we were middle of the pack before Joe and then Franz and Gary went down. Not saying we can't use the help, just that our healthy squad is better than 24th.

RichCollab · Post #106 » by **RichCollab** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:02 pm

OrlDave wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote: We have to try to get Paolo some help. Our offense is ranked 24th.

I will point out we were middle of the pack before Joe and then Franz and Gary went down. Not saying we can't use the help, just that our healthy squad is better than 24th.

It seems like 90% of our focus is defense. So it’s not surprising.

cedric76 · Post #107 » by **cedric76** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:42 pm

Murray+suggs D would be scary

RichCollab · Post #108 » by **RichCollab** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:56 pm

cedric76 wrote:Murray+suggs D would be scary

Murray hasn’t been as engaged on defense.

cedric76 · Post #109 » by **cedric76** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 7:00 pm

RichCollab wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Murray+suggs D would be scary

Murray hasn’t been as engaged on defense.

It s the Trae effect, mose would fix this

Skybox · Post #110 » by **Skybox** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:54 pm

OrlDave wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote: We have to try to get Paolo some help. Our offense is ranked 24th.

I will point out we were middle of the pack before Joe and then Franz and Gary went down. Not saying we can't use the help, just that our healthy squad is better than 24th.

True...but we can be far better with one significant move.

yoyojw17 · Post #111 » by **yoyojw17** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:00 pm

cedric76 wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Murray+suggs D would be scary

Murray hasn’t been as engaged on defense.

It s the Trae effect, mose would fix this

He has all the tools to be a good to great defender.... and was more of a 2-way player coming in. With help up and down the roster on the offensive end and what he will bring to that end of the court... he can slide his efforts a lil more to the defensive end and make our backcourt dangerous.

Cole+Harris+2 picks and if needed a pick swap... i would beyond happy to do. Cole can run the point off the bench for them.... something they would need when dejounte leaves. harris will provide cap relief for the future. and if they want cap relief most.... swap out cole for chuma and they can see if chuma might also revitalize playing closer to home.

personally.... i would try and get fultz to stay as a bench player on a short-term contract/extension while black continues to develop. He would be good taking care of the second unit as both a scoring and distributing option.

The-Stallion70 · Post #112 » by **The-Stallion70** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:43 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:Gross.

You got any better ideas?

The question isn't really whether we should pursue Murray. We obviously should. He would be the best guard the team has had since Steve Francis.

The question is whether we have the assets to get him, which I don't think the Magic have. Our best asset we want to trade is Wendell and the Hawks are already set at center with Okongwu and Capela signed to long term deals.

So let's hear your ill informed and almost assuredly stupid idea to improve the team's backcourt.

The Real Dalic · Post #113 » by **The Real Dalic** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:47 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Gross.

You got any better ideas?

Stop-gap PG's who can shoot until Black is ready or we get one that fits the timeline.

Tyus Jones, D-Lo, Brogdon to name a few. All of which are good people and also likely cheaper. Unlike Murray.

Post #114 » by **eyriq** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:50 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Gross.

You got any better ideas?

Stop-gap PG's who can shoot until Black is ready or we get one that fits the timeline.

Tyus Jones, D-Lo, Brogdon to name a few. All of which are good people and also likely cheaper. Unlike Murray.

Boom

The-Stallion70 · Post #115 » by **The-Stallion70** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:53 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Gross.

You got any better ideas?

Stop-gap PG's who can shoot until Black is ready or we get one that fits the timeline.

Tyus Jones, D-Lo, Brogdon to name a few. All of which are good people and also likely cheaper. Unlike Murray.

These guys are not as good as Murray and are not better options overall. Murray is worth the cost, a guy like Lavine. There is a difference, kiddo.

Tyus fkn Jones? Give me a break lol

The Real Dalic · Post #116 » by **The Real Dalic** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:45 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:
You got any better ideas?

Stop-gap PG's who can shoot until Black is ready or we get one that fits the timeline.

Tyus Jones, D-Lo, Brogdon to name a few. All of which are good people and also likely cheaper. Unlike Murray.

These guys are not as good as Murray and are not better options overall. Murray is worth the cost, a guy like Lavine. There is a difference, kiddo.

Tyus fkn Jones? Give me a break lol

Murray is another question mark shooter who needs the ball in his hands to have success and is also a bit of a headcase. Spurs fans wanted him gone because of that.

We need a guard who isn't going to be a high usage guy and would thrive off-ball while Paolo and Franz gets their touches. If we get a high-usage guard, he needs to be at least Donovan Mitchell level good. Not Murray.

Skybox · Post #117 » by **Skybox** » Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:07 pm

Who knows what’s really happening out there…but the offers we’re reading about from LAL, in particular, make me wonder if ORL has any interest in relevance at all. This deal could be done by now.

We’ll see I guess…but you just know someone is going to pay a lot less for him because Weltman (and other JV organizations) are content to sit on the sidelines while perennial contenders jump right in and end up not having other bidders because the cowards are “prudently” sitting still…again

The-Stallion70 · Post #118 » by **The-Stallion70** » Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:52 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Stop-gap PG's who can shoot until Black is ready or we get one that fits the timeline.

Tyus Jones, D-Lo, Brogdon to name a few. All of which are good people and also likely cheaper. Unlike Murray.

These guys are not as good as Murray and are not better options overall. Murray is worth the cost, a guy like Lavine. There is a difference, kiddo.

Tyus fkn Jones? Give me a break lol

Murray is another question mark shooter who needs the ball in his hands to have success and is also a bit of a headcase. Spurs fans wanted him gone because of that.

We need a guard who isn't going to be a high usage guy and would thrive off-ball while Paolo and Franz gets their touches. If we get a high-usage guard, he needs to be at least Donovan Mitchell level good. Not Murray.

So you're saying you either want the superstar guard or just bad guards? You're saying you're cool with a bottom five guard rotation rather than making a marginal upgrade by adding a guy whose been all star and a past 20 ppg scorer in Murray?

That's a pretty myopic view and you must be let down pretty often.

zuppafly · Post #119 » by **zuppafly** » Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:41 pm

pepe1991 wrote:It should be said that Murray, prior to awful trade to Atlanta ( due very problematic fit with Trae) ,averaged 9,2 assists on 2,6 turnovers on Spurs.

He can be very good on ball player. He is good defender for sure.

Now, some immaturity , cost, shooting issues are still there, but he would instatlly become best PG Magic had in past 10 years.

I'm in the same boat.
Murray would instantly become our best PG since a very distant past.
Would he become a top15 PG in the league playing in our team/system, though? Probably not. Streaky shooter (still, best than anything we have), defensive tools are there but questionable motor on that end of the court.

Worth the gamble if it takes our 2 FRP + one expiring? Yes, IMO.

MasterGMer · Post #120 » by **MasterGMer** » Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:24 am

I edited the title to include Tyus Jones

In the last 7 games, Tyus Jones had 68 assists and 3 Turnovers. Dude is undersized of course but Jones has averaged 12.4 ppg and 50% FG% plus 41.4 3pt FG%. He could be a big upgrade for us if we can not get into the sweepstakes of Dejounte Murray, who is "destined" to go to LA Lakers.

Tyus is 27 years old and Washington is his second stop after Memphis. He could blend in very well with our young core, specifically Franz and Paolo with his shooting and assist numbers. I could see him being a very good floor partner with Jalen Suggs.

His base salary is 14M and he will be an UFA in 2024

I definitely think we should go after him and entertain our offers. But what does it take? I hope we do not ship out any FRPs