2023-2024 Regular Season Game 47: Orlando Magic (24-22) at Dallas Mavericks (25-21) - 8:30pm

[GelbeWand09]

I mean dude has had quite a few injuries. I’m not mad. Play the long game here. The man is only 26 too.

How long do you play the long game?

Should Orlando keep shelling out large portions of cap space to guys that can’t get on the floor?

7 years and counting, menaged to get 5 playoff games off him ( 6 ppg, 27% FG) ,as defensive specialist kept Kawhi & SIakam on cumulative 60 ppg /60% TS

Guy is f*** 26 years old and you telling me he can't play second night of 20 min jogging more than f**** 6 +2 min?

Like, it's nba game, every 10 seconds you have stop that lasts for 2 min, 15 min half time, 48 game is streached to 150 min of real time.

Kawhi was 1-13 guarded by Isaac 1 on 1. There was a Tweet after the series about it. He just doesnt defended him much because Gordon was the main defender & logically Toronto tried to switch Kawhi against worse defenders.

Despite being a big fan of him as a player (opposite for his offside stuff) i was against resigning him because of his injuries, but to doubt his defense or impact when healthy is pretty silly. He is probably still the best defender or at least top 3 in the word ''when'' he plays.

[pepe1991]

How long do you play the long game?

Should Orlando keep shelling out large portions of cap space to guys that can’t get on the floor?

7 years and counting, menaged to get 5 playoff games off him ( 6 ppg, 27% FG) ,as defensive specialist kept Kawhi & SIakam on cumulative 60 ppg /60% TS

Guy is f*** 26 years old and you telling me he can't play second night of 20 min jogging more than f**** 6 +2 min?

Like, it's nba game, every 10 seconds you have stop that lasts for 2 min, 15 min half time, 48 game is streached to 150 min of real time.

Kawhi was 1-13 guarded by Isaac 1 on 1. There was a Tweet after the series about it. He just doesnt defended him much because Gordon was the main defender & logically Toronto tried to switch Kawhi against worse defenders.

Despite being a big fan of him as a player (opposite for his offside stuff) i was against resigning him because of his injuries, but to doubt his defense or impact when healthy is pretty silly. He is probably still the best defender or at least top 3 in the word ''when'' he plays.

Kawhi was 1-13 guarded by Isaac 1 on 1

That's a whole point . He and Gordon defended Siakam and Kawhi.

Kawhi finished series with 28,6 ppg on 56% FG and 54% for 3
Siakam finished series with 22,6 ppg on 53%FG and 36% for 3

Kawhi finished series on mindblowing 68% TS, Siakam on 60%

So their individual excellence on defense still made no impact on a series because elite players will always get things done. especially when player(s) who are tasked to defend them are apsolutley incapable of provide anything on other side, and serve as statues.

Toronto tried to switch Kawhi against worse defenders.

That execlly was my point about Suggs and defense 2 days ago, great teams will just exploit your offensive weaknesses by forcing multiple switches. That's why defense can't be only trick your team has in sleeve in playoffs. Difference being, Suggs at least has offensive "trick" ,as shooter.


Isaac's problem was, and still is, apart from aveliability, complete lack of offensive game. That includes very limited passing ability as he serves as play- finisher, because he won't or can't pass and advance offensive set. It's okey if you are elite finisher. Isaac simply isn't. Right now he doesn't even attemp any shots that aren't point blank shots or catch & shoot 3s. Virtually everything between bricking catch& shoots and finishing around rim doesn't exist for him.
How to explain that actual nba player attemped only 9 shots so far, midway through a season that weren't 3s and weren't inside 10 feet and has 12 assists total in league where you get credit for assist if you just pass ball and your teammate does 25 dribbles and makes layup , 40 feet away from your pass ?


To me Isaac is urban myth. people overhype what he does and completley ignore what he doesn't do in favor of being glorified "Scottie Pippen if Pippen was trapped in broken body and had offensive game of Tony Allen- for 12 min" role.

Without any injury, he already missed 18 games, he averages 14 min a game, still is highest payed player, still basically doesn't play back to backs. Why ? Because he had ACL tear 4 years ago?
Imagine if Murray from Nuggets still plays 25 games a year. Would Nuggets ever actually won that ring?

[eyriq]

I don’t understand why some people are really emotional about Isaac. I would feel embarrassed if any NBA or Magic player ever made me feel like that, like I am some kind of 17 year old hormonal teenager. The inflection point for me would simply be “go back to watching 0-10 Magic games this year.” Out of sight, out of mind. No money or support for the team. And I get to avoid being one of those people whose whole life is about complaining regularly.

Some of you say he’s a top 3-5 Magic player when healthy, which would then justify paying his last 7 mil owed this year.

He also has one last 17 mil year left before we can go hard on trying to keep him on something cheaper and also non-guaranteed again.

Keep in mind that all the rookie-scaled deals have blinded us too. We are about to potentially see the likes of Jalen Suggs get paid 24 mil, Franz Wagner 41 mil, Paolo Banchero 42 mil, WCJ 21 mil, and so forth. And 17 mil is where we throw a fit.

There is also an insane amount of grouping injuries up together. If every Magic player was healthy every game this year except Isaac was having the current season he has right now, there would be wayyyy less complaining about him. Why? It doesn’t make any sense at all. But it would prove that people here got more angry at Isaac when other Magic players became injured this season. If you want a healthier team, you don’t need to cut every single player who was injured for you that year. You get more healthier players, and do individual case by case analysis of which fewer injured players might be worth keeping.

The team we just lost to, DAL, is one of the confirmed teams that has reached out multiple times on trying to acquire Isaac.

Guaranteed if Isaac was released today, there would be about 10 teams hell-bent on acquiring him. Yes, probably older playoff type teams and then maybe much of, but not all, of the younger teams would be less interested. And then we’d even get blasted from the news when 2-3 of the teams who didn’t get Isaac say they would have easily given one mid/late 1st rounder for him.

Then we get to watch as Isaac is a serious impact in a title run. And salvages his healthiest seasons ahead of him still. To what degree, who knows but they’re probably ahead of him with our luck of watching ex-Magic players.

Long story short, we love JI here in Orlando. He gets cheered by our home crowd very loudly. Please ignore the online crowd instead.

We do not love JI here. He is inconsistent and unreliable. He's a con.

[thelead]

I don’t understand why some people are really emotional about Isaac. I would feel embarrassed if any NBA or Magic player ever made me feel like that, like I am some kind of 17 year old hormonal teenager. The inflection point for me would simply be “go back to watching 0-10 Magic games this year.” Out of sight, out of mind. No money or support for the team. And I get to avoid being one of those people whose whole life is about complaining regularly.

Some of you say he’s a top 3-5 Magic player when healthy, which would then justify paying his last 7 mil owed this year.

He also has one last 17 mil year left before we can go hard on trying to keep him on something cheaper and also non-guaranteed again.

Keep in mind that all the rookie-scaled deals have blinded us too. We are about to potentially see the likes of Jalen Suggs get paid 24 mil, Franz Wagner 41 mil, Paolo Banchero 42 mil, WCJ 21 mil, and so forth. And 17 mil is where we throw a fit.

There is also an insane amount of grouping injuries up together. If every Magic player was healthy every game this year except Isaac was having the current season he has right now, there would be wayyyy less complaining about him. Why? It doesn’t make any sense at all. But it would prove that people here got more angry at Isaac when other Magic players became injured this season. If you want a healthier team, you don’t need to cut every single player who was injured for you that year. You get more healthier players, and do individual case by case analysis of which fewer injured players might be worth keeping.

The team we just lost to, DAL, is one of the confirmed teams that has reached out multiple times on trying to acquire Isaac.

Guaranteed if Isaac was released today, there would be about 10 teams hell-bent on acquiring him. Yes, probably older playoff type teams and then maybe much of, but not all, of the younger teams would be less interested. And then we’d even get blasted from the news when 2-3 of the teams who didn’t get Isaac say they would have easily given one mid/late 1st rounder for him.

Then we get to watch as Isaac is a serious impact in a title run. And salvages his healthiest seasons ahead of him still. To what degree, who knows but they’re probably ahead of him with our luck of watching ex-Magic players.

Long story short, we love JI here in Orlando. He gets cheered by our home crowd very loudly. Please ignore the online crowd instead.

We do not love JI here. He is inconsistent and unreliable. He's a con.

Say what you want but we would be a lottery team without him playing the few minutes that he has this year

[eyriq]

I don’t understand why some people are really emotional about Isaac. I would feel embarrassed if any NBA or Magic player ever made me feel like that, like I am some kind of 17 year old hormonal teenager. The inflection point for me would simply be “go back to watching 0-10 Magic games this year.” Out of sight, out of mind. No money or support for the team. And I get to avoid being one of those people whose whole life is about complaining regularly.

Some of you say he’s a top 3-5 Magic player when healthy, which would then justify paying his last 7 mil owed this year.

He also has one last 17 mil year left before we can go hard on trying to keep him on something cheaper and also non-guaranteed again.

Keep in mind that all the rookie-scaled deals have blinded us too. We are about to potentially see the likes of Jalen Suggs get paid 24 mil, Franz Wagner 41 mil, Paolo Banchero 42 mil, WCJ 21 mil, and so forth. And 17 mil is where we throw a fit.

There is also an insane amount of grouping injuries up together. If every Magic player was healthy every game this year except Isaac was having the current season he has right now, there would be wayyyy less complaining about him. Why? It doesn’t make any sense at all. But it would prove that people here got more angry at Isaac when other Magic players became injured this season. If you want a healthier team, you don’t need to cut every single player who was injured for you that year. You get more healthier players, and do individual case by case analysis of which fewer injured players might be worth keeping.

The team we just lost to, DAL, is one of the confirmed teams that has reached out multiple times on trying to acquire Isaac.

Guaranteed if Isaac was released today, there would be about 10 teams hell-bent on acquiring him. Yes, probably older playoff type teams and then maybe much of, but not all, of the younger teams would be less interested. And then we’d even get blasted from the news when 2-3 of the teams who didn’t get Isaac say they would have easily given one mid/late 1st rounder for him.

Then we get to watch as Isaac is a serious impact in a title run. And salvages his healthiest seasons ahead of him still. To what degree, who knows but they’re probably ahead of him with our luck of watching ex-Magic players.

Long story short, we love JI here in Orlando. He gets cheered by our home crowd very loudly. Please ignore the online crowd instead.

We do not love JI here. He is inconsistent and unreliable. He's a con.

Say what you want but we would be a lottery team without him playing the few minutes that he has this year

That's a sobering thought

[ChosenSavior]

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[ogmagicfan]

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Lively couldve gotten called for 3 sec atleast 7-8 other occassions, especially on defense. They were running zone majority of the game which makes 3 secs alot more likely to happen. Refs shouldve been actively looking for it more.

I'm just tired of us getting shafted by the refs. We've had atleast 5 games we wouldve won if the whistle was called the same both ways.

[ogmagicfan]

I don’t understand why some people are really emotional about Isaac. I would feel embarrassed if any NBA or Magic player ever made me feel like that, like I am some kind of 17 year old hormonal teenager. The inflection point for me would simply be “go back to watching 0-10 Magic games this year.” Out of sight, out of mind. No money or support for the team. And I get to avoid being one of those people whose whole life is about complaining regularly.

Some of you say he’s a top 3-5 Magic player when healthy, which would then justify paying his last 7 mil owed this year.

He also has one last 17 mil year left before we can go hard on trying to keep him on something cheaper and also non-guaranteed again.

Keep in mind that all the rookie-scaled deals have blinded us too. We are about to potentially see the likes of Jalen Suggs get paid 24 mil, Franz Wagner 41 mil, Paolo Banchero 42 mil, WCJ 21 mil, and so forth. And 17 mil is where we throw a fit.

There is also an insane amount of grouping injuries up together. If every Magic player was healthy every game this year except Isaac was having the current season he has right now, there would be wayyyy less complaining about him. Why? It doesn’t make any sense at all. But it would prove that people here got more angry at Isaac when other Magic players became injured this season. If you want a healthier team, you don’t need to cut every single player who was injured for you that year. You get more healthier players, and do individual case by case analysis of which fewer injured players might be worth keeping.

The team we just lost to, DAL, is one of the confirmed teams that has reached out multiple times on trying to acquire Isaac.

Guaranteed if Isaac was released today, there would be about 10 teams hell-bent on acquiring him. Yes, probably older playoff type teams and then maybe much of, but not all, of the younger teams would be less interested. And then we’d even get blasted from the news when 2-3 of the teams who didn’t get Isaac say they would have easily given one mid/late 1st rounder for him.

Then we get to watch as Isaac is a serious impact in a title run. And salvages his healthiest seasons ahead of him still. To what degree, who knows but they’re probably ahead of him with our luck of watching ex-Magic players.

Long story short, we love JI here in Orlando. He gets cheered by our home crowd very loudly. Please ignore the online crowd instead.

We do not love JI here. He is inconsistent and unreliable. He's a con.

Say what you want but we would be a lottery team without him playing the few minutes that he has this year

This is true, whether you hate it or not.

I get it that it's a tease that Isaac plays inconsistently after being out for so long, but as someone who thought he'd never play again in the NBA again, I'm surprised he's been able to ramp up to 20+ min games

His situation is completely diff than Fultz who when healthy is still not a good fit by any means on the team. Isaac is arguably the most impactful/versatile defender in the NBA. If resting him this season and being precautious leads to him to be able to play 20-25 mpg with less rest next season, then f*** it, gotta stick with it.

Reality is I've looked and there isnt really a viable Isaac replacement in the NBA that's available who can provide what he does at his level of play. Our best bet is gambling draft picks on defensive slendermen wings in hops they can be somewhat like him

[CocoaFan]

I’m starting to detest Isaac. Hope this guy is gone as soon as his contract is up.

Weltman and co. Need to make some actual **** decisions for once without players making the decision for him.

it's more on the FO at this point. If he's in and Orlando uniform for next year then we aren't a serious basketball organization.

The fact that he's on the roster this season shows we aren't a serious basketball organization. More than half of his contract this season was non-guaranteed but they decided to continue throwing money at him.

The Magic and Isaac both said he was healthy going into this season, and no one has said different since the season started. So this is *healthy* Isaac...more than halfway through the season and still on an insanely conservative minutes restriction while missing almost half the games. There is zero value to playing 14 mpg every other game. He's little more than a distraction.

And giving him his first start in 4 years and then only playing him 8 minutes is beyond absurd. These 1- and 2-point losses where Mosley jerked around with the lineup and no one knew what Isaac would be contributing are going to come back to haunt them at the end of the season.

I really think it's the FO holding Isaac back and not Isaac. It's their plan for his long term health.

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I don’t understand why some people are really emotional about Isaac. I would feel embarrassed if any NBA or Magic player ever made me feel like that, like I am some kind of 17 year old hormonal teenager. The inflection point for me would simply be “go back to watching 0-10 Magic games this year.” Out of sight, out of mind. No money or support for the team. And I get to avoid being one of those people whose whole life is about complaining regularly.

Some of you say he’s a top 3-5 Magic player when healthy, which would then justify paying his last 7 mil owed this year.

He also has one last 17 mil year left before we can go hard on trying to keep him on something cheaper and also non-guaranteed again.

Keep in mind that all the rookie-scaled deals have blinded us too. We are about to potentially see the likes of Jalen Suggs get paid 24 mil, Franz Wagner 41 mil, Paolo Banchero 42 mil, WCJ 21 mil, and so forth. And 17 mil is where we throw a fit.

There is also an insane amount of grouping injuries up together. If every Magic player was healthy every game this year except Isaac was having the current season he has right now, there would be wayyyy less complaining about him. Why? It doesn’t make any sense at all. But it would prove that people here got more angry at Isaac when other Magic players became injured this season. If you want a healthier team, you don’t need to cut every single player who was injured for you that year. You get more healthier players, and do individual case by case analysis of which fewer injured players might be worth keeping.

The team we just lost to, DAL, is one of the confirmed teams that has reached out multiple times on trying to acquire Isaac.

Guaranteed if Isaac was released today, there would be about 10 teams hell-bent on acquiring him. Yes, probably older playoff type teams and then maybe much of, but not all, of the younger teams would be less interested. And then we’d even get blasted from the news when 2-3 of the teams who didn’t get Isaac say they would have easily given one mid/late 1st rounder for him.

Then we get to watch as Isaac is a serious impact in a title run. And salvages his healthiest seasons ahead of him still. To what degree, who knows but they’re probably ahead of him with our luck of watching ex-Magic players.

Long story short, we love JI here in Orlando. He gets cheered by our home crowd very loudly. Please ignore the online crowd instead.

We do not love JI here. He is inconsistent and unreliable. He's a con.

Say what you want but we would be a lottery team without him playing the few minutes that he has this year

This may be true, but it’s also the reason why people dislike the situation. People can’t have it both ways…

You can’t tell me that we’d have 6-8 more wins this season if he were playing full minutes, then tell me you are OK with him being on an extremely limited availability.

dsg2021’s post is the funniest homer cope I’ve read in a long time (sorry bud). If a guy is healthy and able to play you play him. If your idea is that “you are saving him for the future”, then he will NEVER be the same guy he once was post injury. Therefore, it doesn’t matter at all. Can’t have it both ways claiming he’s a god but he can’t play more than 10 mins on back to backs as a professional athlete.

And no… he’s not going to resign with us for 1/6th the price he is playing for now based on the actual amount of games he has fulfilled during his tenure.

Orlando has a penchant for signing dudes to huge deals that don’t play basketball. The fans have become so numb to this that they jump through hoops claiming anyone that notices is being absurd for pointing out the large pile of flaming cash that always exists on the bench.

Even if it’s not Isaac per se, and it’s the FO, it’s still ridiculous to be overly cautious with a guy to the point that it costs you almost 10 wins in a season. What is the point here exactly?

[BadMofoPimp]

How long do you play the long game?

Should Orlando keep shelling out large portions of cap space to guys that can’t get on the floor?

7 years and counting, menaged to get 5 playoff games off him ( 6 ppg, 27% FG) ,as defensive specialist kept Kawhi & SIakam on cumulative 60 ppg /60% TS

Guy is f*** 26 years old and you telling me he can't play second night of 20 min jogging more than f**** 6 +2 min?

Like, it's nba game, every 10 seconds you have stop that lasts for 2 min, 15 min half time, 48 game is streached to 150 min of real time.

Kawhi was 1-13 guarded by Isaac 1 on 1. There was a Tweet after the series about it. He just doesnt defended him much because Gordon was the main defender & logically Toronto tried to switch Kawhi against worse defenders.

Despite being a big fan of him as a player (opposite for his offside stuff) i was against resigning him because of his injuries, but to doubt his defense or impact when healthy is pretty silly. He is probably still the best defender or at least top 3 in the word ''when'' he plays.

This is why if he ends up being a 15-25mpg backup to Paolo/Franz long term, I am fine with that as long as he can prove he can stay healthy.

[msmoore66]

We do not love JI here. He is inconsistent and unreliable. He's a con.

Say what you want but we would be a lottery team without him playing the few minutes that he has this year

This may be true, but it’s also the reason why people dislike the situation. People can’t have it both ways…

You can’t tell me that we’d have 6-8 more wins this season if he were playing full minutes, then tell me you are OK with him being on an extremely limited availability.

dsg2021’s post is the funniest homer cope I’ve read in a long time (sorry bud). If a guy is healthy and able to play you play him. If your idea is that “you are saving him for the future”, then he will NEVER be the same guy he once was post injury. Therefore, it doesn’t matter at all. Can’t have it both ways claiming he’s a god but he can’t play more than 10 mins on back to backs as a professional athlete.

And no… he’s not going to resign with us for 1/6th the price he is playing for now based on the actual amount of games he has fulfilled during his tenure.

Orlando has a penchant for signing dudes to huge deals that don’t play basketball. The fans have become so numb to this that they jump through hoops claiming anyone that notices is being absurd for pointing out the large pile of flaming cash that always exists on the bench.

Even if it’s not Isaac per se, and it’s the FO, it’s still ridiculous to be overly cautious with a guy to the point that it costs you almost 10 wins in a season. What is the point here exactly?

What does 'cope' mean here? Like; homer point of view or something?

[basketballRob]

If Isaac can play 30 mpg in the playoffs, we'll be hard to beat from what I saw in the first 8 minutes last night.

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What does 'cope' mean here? Like; homer point of view or something?

A pathetic excuse

[msmoore66]

A pathetic excuse

Right, I see. Thanks.