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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dejounte Murray pg 13 

Post#1381 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:27 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:I call this the Jimmy Haslam "keep em competitive till we move the team to Nashville" special.

LA Lakers:
In: Brook and Dame
Out: Anthony Davis and salary/draft capital to make it work

Atl:
In: Lakers salary, Lakers stuff, Bucks stuff
Out: Dejounte Murray

Milwaukee:
In: Anthony Davis and Dejounte Murray
Out: Dame, Brook, plus stuff to make it work.

No, I'm not endorsing this deal. Just stirring the pot on a foggy and cold Milwaukee morning.


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Sure. I'm not sure why the Lakers would do it though.

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Post#1382 » by PG Graveyard » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:29 pm

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Post#1383 » by JayMKE » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:30 pm

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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Out of curiosity, would people rather have Harden or Dame right now?


This is funny because i've been thinking about this too lol. I actually think given the way we play Harden would absolutely be better than Dame on this team. :lol:


Been thinking about this too to be honest and yeah honestly Harden is a better more team orientated player right now, Dame is more Monta Ellus or Trae Young than he is Steph Curry.

The nightmare is happening, the Dame trade is blowing up in our faces. I'd pull the plug but we seem doomed to see this core until it rots into the ground :noway:'

and lol ya AD and Murray would be no brainers if at all possible
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Post#1384 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:33 pm

Yeah, going back to having piss poor spacing around Giannis and not having a guard who can create out of pick-and-roll seems like a great idea. That definitely never bit us in the playoffs, ever.
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Post#1385 » by mlloyd10 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:38 pm

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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Out of curiosity, would people rather have Harden or Dame right now?


This is funny because i've been thinking about this too lol. I actually think given the way we play Harden would absolutely be better than Dame on this team. :lol:


Been thinking about this too to be honest and yeah honestly Harden is a better more team orientated player right now, Dame is more Monta Ellus or Trae Young than he is Steph Curry.

The nightmare is happening, the Dame trade is blowing up in our faces. I'd pull the plug but we seem doomed to see this core until it rots into the ground :noway:'

and lol ya AD and Murray would be no brainers if at all possible



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Post#1386 » by MissKhriddleton » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:38 pm

Harden over Dame lmao? The problem isn’t Dame it’s the old bags of **** around him along with Giannis saying all the right things and doing none of them.
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Post#1387 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:41 pm

You guys have gone nuts. Dame isn't shooting the 3 well, but that's not because he's getting old. Players don't lose their shooting. He's as explosive as ever.

The team needs a couple of PoA defenders. They're role players. Not that hard to get. Maybe a backup center that defends.

Yeah, sometimes the bench doesn't score enough or defend enough. All benches do that, the NBA is a game of runs.

I've been a Brook critic for a long time, but he hasn't aged a bit, and the leagues best teams are now center driven, making it easier to match up with him. Middleton gets better every week.

Horst just needs to acquire the right role players.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dejounte Murray pg 13 

Post#1388 » by paulpressey25 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:44 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:You guys have gone nuts. Dame isn't shooting the 3 well, but that's not because he's getting old. Players don't lose their shooting. He's as explosive as ever.

The team needs a couple of PoA defenders. They're role players. Not that hard to get. Maybe a backup center that defends.

Yeah, sometimes the bench doesn't score enough or defend enough. All benches do that, the NBA is a game of runs.

I've been a Brook critic for a long time, but he hasn't aged a bit, and the leagues best teams are now center driven, making it easier to match up with him. Middleton gets better every week.

Horst just needs to acquire the right role players.


This is all true. But does our used crap plus two 2nds get us what we need?
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Post#1389 » by mlloyd10 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:45 pm

Bucks get: Wiggins/Carter
Warriors get: Harris/Pat C
Magic get Brook/Blazers 2nd rd
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Post#1390 » by JayMKE » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:46 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Yeah, going back to having piss poor spacing around Giannis and not having a guard who can create out of pick-and-roll seems like a great idea. That definitely never bit us in the playoffs, ever.


Pretty sure we got bounced out the playoffs last couple years because of piss poor defense, now our backcourt is exponentially worse and while still having Lopez & Khris who get cooked in a lot of match ups in addition to Dame & Beasley who are pure rat ass all the time. Anybody thinking the team is better off this year is basing it on pure wishful thinking, no team can win like this in the playoffs.
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Post#1391 » by jakecronus8 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:48 pm

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JayMKE wrote:Blow this core up Horst, need major shake up. Core is is too old, too overpaid, not athletic enough


I agree 100%. Time to get rid of all the clowns!


Too bad the biggest clown is still making the decisions

I wouldn’t call Giannis a clown, but he’s not a good gm.
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Post#1392 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:55 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Yeah, going back to having piss poor spacing around Giannis and not having a guard who can create out of pick-and-roll seems like a great idea. That definitely never bit us in the playoffs, ever.


Pretty sure we got bounced out the playoffs last couple years because of piss poor defense, now our backcourt is exponentially worse and while still having Lopez & Khris who get cooked in a lot of match up in addition to Dame & Beasley who are pure rat ass all the time. Anybody thinking the team is better off this year is basing it on pure wishful thinking, no team can win like this in the playoffs.


We held Boston to a 109 Off-RTG and lost the last two games of the Miami series because we couldn't score in the 4th quarter of either of the last 2-games (12/46 combined) when we had double digit leads going in. What are you talking about?
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Post#1393 » by CharityStripe34 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:00 pm

Lol did they really lose to Portland last night?

It would be quite shocking if there wasn't some sort of move before the deadline. Or even in the buyout market. Standing pat would be a mini-disaster.
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Post#1394 » by mlloyd10 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:07 pm

Lopez and Beasley for Lively and Hardaway

Or

Bucks get Finney Smith and Lively
Mavs get: Lopez and Beasley
Nets get : Hardaway
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Post#1395 » by Fotis St » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:33 pm

i wish anyone in the Coaching staff just whispered Fotis St idea to internally fix some lineup issues ... like Start Portis, Green over Brook and Beasley , as I have been saying since the start of the season. Beas and Brook can provide the bench scoring needed to not be a negative bench. Beasley on contract year is a cheat code, use him wisely. If Khris is healthy Beas will not have as many shots he wants ... this is a regular season fix ... come playoffs just start Beas if necessary. We never saw how Green can handle it as a starter SG... maybe its time.

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Post#1396 » by BigO » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:34 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Yeah, going back to having piss poor spacing around Giannis and not having a guard who can create out of pick-and-roll seems like a great idea. That definitely never bit us in the playoffs, ever.


Pretty sure we got bounced out the playoffs last couple years because of piss poor defense, now our backcourt is exponentially worse and while still having Lopez & Khris who get cooked in a lot of match ups in addition to Dame & Beasley who are pure rat ass all the time. Anybody thinking the team is better off this year is basing it on pure wishful thinking, no team can win like this in the playoffs.


Last season, the Bucks were third or fourth in defense and 15th in offense.

The move for Dame was made because of the perceived need for offense. The Bucks had few shooters the last few seasons. Allen was a very good shooter, but at low volume (like Beasley) because he needed space. KM was hurt.

So Horst was willing to give up defense for offense. You have to give something to get something. Boston has a ton of shooters, so Jrue was needed. Now Boston has both.

Ironically, in 21-22, the Bucks had one of the best offenses in the league, but a bad defense (Lopez was out all year and Bud continued to play the drop defense with no rim protection). :banghead:
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Post#1397 » by yannisk » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:36 pm

MissKhriddleton wrote:Harden over Dame lmao? The problem isn’t Dame it’s the old bags of **** around him along with Giannis saying all the right things and doing none of them.


I also consider Harden a better player. Harden was an mvp level player, Lillard was not. Harden has been scoring champion and assist leader, Lillard was not (and there is no way he could lead the league in assists). Both bad defenders but Harden having a bigger body he could defend postups better.

But Lillard is a very good player, he was voted top75 for a reason, he has not played his best so far, probably has more to do with personal reasons and change of role/city after so many years. He needs a good SG defender to play alongside him
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Post#1398 » by theFireBlanket » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:40 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:You guys have gone nuts. Dame isn't shooting the 3 well, but that's not because he's getting old. Players don't lose their shooting. He's as explosive as ever.

The team needs a couple of PoA defenders. They're role players. Not that hard to get. Maybe a backup center that defends.

Yeah, sometimes the bench doesn't score enough or defend enough. All benches do that, the NBA is a game of runs.

I've been a Brook critic for a long time, but he hasn't aged a bit, and the leagues best teams are now center driven, making it easier to match up with him. Middleton gets better every week.

Horst just needs to acquire the right role players.


This is all true. But does our used crap plus two 2nds get us what we need?


Rather flame out this year & build on the roster than do something reactionary.

That is if you can't address needs through a trade.
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Post#1399 » by Matches Malone » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:44 pm

MissKhriddleton wrote:Harden over Dame lmao? The problem isn’t Dame it’s the old bags of **** around him along with Giannis saying all the right things and doing none of them.


Giannis slipping screens early plays on a loop in my nightmares.

He should think about cutting some of the seconds he uses on FTs and add it to how long he holds his screen.
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Post#1400 » by DingleJerry » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:46 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Yeah, going back to having piss poor spacing around Giannis and not having a guard who can create out of pick-and-roll seems like a great idea. That definitely never bit us in the playoffs, ever.


Pretty sure we got bounced out the playoffs last couple years because of piss poor defense, now our backcourt is exponentially worse and while still having Lopez & Khris who get cooked in a lot of match ups in addition to Dame & Beasley who are pure rat ass all the time. Anybody thinking the team is better off this year is basing it on pure wishful thinking, no team can win like this in the playoffs.


They had the #1 rated playoff defense in the '22 playoffs. In '21 they won the title on the back of D. Last year not great with Jimmy literally taking dumps on Jrues head all game but as pointed out, the killer was having no offense and ballhandling in the 4th Q of those last Miami games.
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