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RexBoyWonder wrote:How would you feel about going all in and trading :
Duncan + Martin + Jovic + 24 SRP
For
Jerami Grant
I think that's fair value, and I think Grant will be the best 2 way PF Bam ever played with.
Rozier
Herro
Jimmy
Grant
Bam
Salaies next year will total at around 185Mil$ which is less then a bunch of contenders.
Pokuokic wrote:You know the All-Star game selections are a joke when a losing team like the Lakers has 2 players but Sabonis who is like top 10 MVP this season and carrying with Fox the Kings to a good record can't get a peak in. Bam is lucky he's in the East.
marson wrote:Pokuokic wrote:You know the All-Star game selections are a joke when a losing team like the Lakers has 2 players but Sabonis who is like top 10 MVP this season and carrying with Fox the Kings to a good record can't get a peak in. Bam is lucky he's in the East.
Player A
PPG 19.9
RPG 13.0
APG 8.0
TS% 65.5
Player B
PPG 20.6
RPG 10.6
APG 4.2
TS% 56.5
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:marson wrote:Pokuokic wrote:You know the All-Star game selections are a joke when a losing team like the Lakers has 2 players but Sabonis who is like top 10 MVP this season and carrying with Fox the Kings to a good record can't get a peak in. Bam is lucky he's in the East.
Player A
PPG 19.9
RPG 13.0
APG 8.0
TS% 65.5
Player B
PPG 20.6
RPG 10.6
APG 4.2
TS% 56.5
Player A, non existent defense who’s empty stat stuffing gets exposed in the playoffs and he gets outplayed by Kevon Looney and is a major reason they lose due to not being able or willing to shoot a mid range jumper
Player B, best defender in the world whose high impact is seen in the playoffs and is a major part of several deep playoffs runs that have almost resulted in championships. He was also averaging like 22-11-4 when all star voting concluded.
Don’t forget to leave that part out!!
IceColdCubano wrote:Every year there's a whisper and dream of Lebron returning, ever since that comment of the keys under the matt by Pat Riley. Dude is 39 Years old, yeah he is still pretty good, but sacrificing 1 year for a chance that may not work and losing assets that could be used in a trade for younger talent......nah
IceColdCubano wrote:I am going to wait until the end of the season/post season to make a full assessment on Damien Lillard production this year. He still has those sporadic games that are Lillard esq, but they are farther between when they come than the previous season.
I didn't know how to explain the situation, is he unhappy and that's why his play has dipped or is like most predicted he will ultimately face what all small guards deal with in father time, and wear and tear. So I did some digging out of curiosity.
Milwaukee: 25.1pts(22%drop), 4.3rebs(10%drop), 6.8ast(9%drop), @42.2 FG%(9%drop), @34.3 3P%(8%drop), 28.5 usage(17.5%drop), 35.3 MIN(2%drop)
Portland: 32.2pts, 4.8rebs, 7.3ast, @46.3 FG%, 37.1 3P%, 34.2 usage, 36.3 MIN
I used percentage increases and decreases instead of just doing subtracting the difference because I wanted to see correlation between usage rate drop and minute drop to the percent drop in other areas.
What we see here is that he is only had a 2% minute drop from last season, however the biggest thing is usage here where he is at a 17.5% drop in usage which is tied to production. Assist and Rebounding is almost identical in loss of production at 9-10% which correlates to the system where he is towered by a good center in Brook Lopez & Giannis who are also solid passers, so that is expected the minute difference is not big enough to explain the drop however the players around him does. The difference between point per game and Usage rate are high and a difference of 4.5-5% that difference there can be explained from the efficiency loss both on FG% & 3P% having dropped at 8-9%.
Now lets look at how many shots he is putting up, last season in Portland he put up 1202 total shots divided by 58 games played = He was putting up 20.7 shots per game, or he was putting up a shot for every 1.75 minute on the floor.
So far this season in Milwaukee he has shot 790 total shots divided by 45 games played = He is at 17.5 shots per game or putting up a shot every 2 minutes on the floor.
I looked at the pace of the Portland trailblazers last year vs Milwaukee this year and guess what the percentage margin of 2% difference with Portland playing quicker coincides with why Lillard is putting up less shots per minute on the floor adding the usage rate with the ball complete explains his drop in scoring from a total standpoint.
So far his drop in PPG, Rebounding, Assist, are all correlated to Usage rate, Minute played, shots created per minute on the floor, and team pace, aswell as team mates being bigger and far better at passing/rebounding.
The only thing, that is not explained, is the efficiency of those shots dropped, we can hypotheses perhaps he needs the ball more in order to get more rhythm and get better looks than what he has been getting, as a coach I would look to get him more usage, and see if that improves the overall team aspect, However in Milwaukee Giannis touches that ball a lot so that could be hard to change over night.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
marson wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:marson wrote:
Player A
PPG 19.9
RPG 13.0
APG 8.0
TS% 65.5
Player B
PPG 20.6
RPG 10.6
APG 4.2
TS% 56.5
Player A, non existent defense who’s empty stat stuffing gets exposed in the playoffs and he gets outplayed by Kevon Looney and is a major reason they lose due to not being able or willing to shoot a mid range jumper
Player B, best defender in the world whose high impact is seen in the playoffs and is a major part of several deep playoffs runs that have almost resulted in championships. He was also averaging like 22-11-4 when all star voting concluded.
Don’t forget to leave that part out!!
You're easy to get baited nowadays
IceColdCubano wrote:I am going to wait until the end of the season/post season to make a full assessment on Damien Lillard production this year. He still has those sporadic games that are Lillard esq, but they are farther between when they come than the previous season.
I didn't know how to explain the situation, is he unhappy and that's why his play has dipped or is like most predicted he will ultimately face what all small guards deal with in father time, and wear and tear. So I did some digging out of curiosity.
Milwaukee: 25.1pts(22%drop), 4.3rebs(10%drop), 6.8ast(9%drop), @42.2 FG%(9%drop), @34.3 3P%(8%drop), 28.5 usage(17.5%drop), 35.3 MIN(2%drop)
Portland: 32.2pts, 4.8rebs, 7.3ast, @46.3 FG%, 37.1 3P%, 34.2 usage, 36.3 MIN
I used percentage increases and decreases instead of just doing subtracting the difference because I wanted to see correlation between usage rate drop and minute drop to the percent drop in other areas.
What we see here is that he is only had a 2% minute drop from last season, however the biggest thing is usage here where he is at a 17.5% drop in usage which is tied to production. Assist and Rebounding is almost identical in loss of production at 9-10% which correlates to the system where he is towered by a good center in Brook Lopez & Giannis who are also solid passers, so that is expected the minute difference is not big enough to explain the drop however the players around him does. The difference between point per game and Usage rate are high and a difference of 4.5-5% that difference there can be explained from the efficiency loss both on FG% & 3P% having dropped at 8-9%.
Now lets look at how many shots he is putting up, last season in Portland he put up 1202 total shots divided by 58 games played = He was putting up 20.7 shots per game, or he was putting up a shot for every 1.75 minute on the floor.
So far this season in Milwaukee he has shot 790 total shots divided by 45 games played = He is at 17.5 shots per game or putting up a shot every 2 minutes on the floor.
I looked at the pace of the Portland trailblazers last year vs Milwaukee this year and guess what the percentage margin of 2% difference with Portland playing quicker coincides with why Lillard is putting up less shots per minute on the floor adding the usage rate with the ball complete explains his drop in scoring from a total standpoint.
So far his drop in PPG, Rebounding, Assist, are all correlated to Usage rate, Minute played, shots created per minute on the floor, and team pace, aswell as team mates being bigger and far better at passing/rebounding.
The only thing, that is not explained, is the efficiency of those shots dropped, we can hypotheses perhaps he needs the ball more in order to get more rhythm and get better looks than what he has been getting, as a coach I would look to get him more usage, and see if that improves the overall team aspect, However in Milwaukee Giannis touches that ball a lot so that could be hard to change over night.
RexBoyWonder wrote:How would you feel about going all in and trading :
Duncan + Martin + Jovic + 24 SRP
For
Jerami Grant
I think that's fair value, and I think Grant will be the best 2 way PF Bam ever played with.
Rozier
Herro
Jimmy
Grant
Bam
Salaies next year will total at around 185Mil$ which is less then a bunch of contenders.
IceColdCubano wrote:
This is what keeps Herro super safe in conversations from a team standpoint, I guess when the FO looks at his production they may not really do like advanced stats, other than Spo and assistant coaches, Pat and the higher ups problebly glance at it but ultimately go with what ends up on the box score.
