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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 5.0 - Somebody save us 

Post#121 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 6, 2024 5:23 pm

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This could be nothing or it could be huge. If im Jimmy I dont blame him for wanting the cash. Also seeing how we never went all in for him, maybe thats why he feels he is entitled to a huge extension and again I wouldn't blame him. Hopefully this doesn't become a Harden 2.0 situation.

I'm in the camp that you give Jimmy whatever he wants at this point. He's earned every bit of it and I don't want to make the same mistake like we did with Wade. If we can pay Kyle Lowry until age 39 it's reasonable for us to give Jimmy an extension till his age 37 year.


I’m actually real curious to see what happens with Jimmy. Hes built his brand outside of ball a lot in recent years and I truly think his desire to win a championship here and solidify himself in Heat history means more to him than money. You never know though until the time is here
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Post#122 » by wade44 » Tue Feb 6, 2024 5:26 pm

Wouldn’t be shocked if a major shakeup is in order after this season. Not expecting anything at the deadline
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Post#123 » by AirP. » Tue Feb 6, 2024 5:28 pm

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This could be nothing or it could be huge. If im Jimmy I dont blame him for wanting the cash. Also seeing how we never went all in for him, maybe thats why he feels he is entitled to a huge extension and again I wouldn't blame him. Hopefully this doesn't become a Harden 2.0 situation.

I'm in the camp that you give Jimmy whatever he wants at this point. He's earned every bit of it and I don't want to make the same mistake like we did with Wade. If we can pay Kyle Lowry until age 39 it's reasonable for us to give Jimmy an extension till his age 37 year.

Miami shouldn't offer the max and can counter the savings with the bonus of a no-trade clause. If he were to take less without a no-trade clause he'd be looking at being moved in the last year of his contract, if he doesn't want that, take a discount and get the no-trade clause and end your career in Miami.
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Post#125 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 6, 2024 5:33 pm

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This could be nothing or it could be huge. If im Jimmy I dont blame him for wanting the cash. Also seeing how we never went all in for him, maybe thats why he feels he is entitled to a huge extension and again I wouldn't blame him. Hopefully this doesn't become a Harden 2.0 situation.

I'm in the camp that you give Jimmy whatever he wants at this point. He's earned every bit of it and I don't want to make the same mistake like we did with Wade. If we can pay Kyle Lowry until age 39 it's reasonable for us to give Jimmy an extension till his age 37 year.

Miami shouldn't offer the max and can counter the savings with the bonus of a no-trade clause. If he were to take less without a no-trade clause he'd be looking at being moved in the last year of his contract, if he doesn't want that, take a discount and get the no-trade clause and end your career in Miami.


Opt out, take the minimum, get Mitchell and Tatum and let’s go to war!!!
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Post#127 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 6, 2024 5:36 pm

Timing of the deadline kind of plays in our favor too; games tonight and tomorrow but then we’re off deadline day and for a total of 3 days after tomorrow nights game. Plenty of time to get everyone in here, pass physicals and all that good stuff. If we do anything at least
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Post#128 » by AirP. » Tue Feb 6, 2024 5:41 pm

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Woj mentioned on his podcast that was released in the middle of the night (rss feed wise) he thought something may go through today, possibly a couple Wednesday and then a bunch of trades Thursday (I think they said 16-17 of them) but possibly no big names being moved. Woj and Bobby Marks said it seemed like a slower trade deadline then normal, maybe because of the new CBA.

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Post#129 » by Shewasfly » Tue Feb 6, 2024 5:44 pm

The core of Jimmy, Tyler, and Bam will remain. If a team can be suckered into taking Duncan and perhaps Jokic for a shooting big, we'll do it. That's about the most I'd expect.
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Post#131 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 6, 2024 5:46 pm

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Woj mentioned on his podcast that was released in the middle of the night (rss feed wise) he thought something may go through today, possibly a couple Wednesday and then a bunch of trades Thursday (I think they said 16-17 of them) but possibly no big names being moved. Woj and Bobby Marks said it seemed like a slower trade deadline then normal, maybe because of the new CBA.

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Wonder what they view as big names or not, we just need some solid players!
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Post#132 » by twix2500 » Tue Feb 6, 2024 5:52 pm

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Sexton makes 10 mill less a year than Herro and is having a very good season. Herro and his value are not good, now imagine how much worse that value will become if we move him to the bench. Always think big picture.

It is comical that we tried to use Herro as bait to get a whale, Mitchel, KD and now his value is so low he cant even get Sexton in return unless we pony up multiple first round draft picks to good old Danny. Our front office needs a reality check and we need to demand accountability from everyone in the organization, from top to bottom.
You just showed that Herro is losing value as a starter. If he flourishes as a 6th man do you not think his value will increase?

Put a player in position they can flourish and mostly impact the team as a whole. Jazz put Sexton at shooting guard and a big defensive point next to him and the team as a whole took off. They didn't just stick another scorer next to him. Right role and right glue guy

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Well like you said the Jazz put Sexton at SG and a big defensive player next to him. Herro has played with the corps of Lowry and now knowing Herro is not mister defense we are pairing him up with Terry no defense in the backcourt. Im not a fan of Herro, just pointing out how stupid it is to put Terry and Herro together in the back court.

As for Herro gaining value as a 6th man, 6th men are not paid starter salary, not near 30 mil with this CBA, not with the tax penalties. So it would be a one step forward two steps back situation. Ideally he gets traded but his value is already low, it will only drop more when we cant say he's a starter on a winning team. We might have to live with Herro remaining here for a large part of his contract before he becomes an expiring and then gets some positive value. This is all assuming Herro stays in line and doesn't cause issues, because that can easily happen here. No easy answers here but again our front office put us in this mess.


Well they stuck Lowry next to Jimmy, Duncan and Tucker while Vincent, Dipo and Herro came off the bench. Lowry was here to relieve Butler from running point guard and focus more as a scorer. The goal was to have a defensive point gaurd paired with Herro. Lowry wasnt suppose to be a long term solution, Dipo was suppose to inherit that starting role. It end up being a failed gamble.

After that first Lowry season failed in the conference finals, the Heat had Herro on the trade market again. After that Herro was told to prove he is a starter. Dipo was working hard and showing in camp he was ready to start as well until his knee started to swell up. And then eventually gave out before the season ended. Ideally this team was suppose to be Dipo and Herro backcourt.

A lot of things didnt go as plan. Riley made Herro a promise to prove he was a starter, and followed thru with it. Even thou Dipo knee wouldnt hold up, the Heat stuck with the plan to faze Lowry out and he didnt really handle it well.

But how long do you Riley has to keep his promise to Herro? Rozier is here now, if it continues to trend this way, good chance we will see the Spo famous change lineup move before the playoffs.
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Post#133 » by twix2500 » Tue Feb 6, 2024 6:05 pm

We got the first glimpse of a starting lineup based around Rozier, Butler and Bam, without Herro. They didnt put up gawdy numbers but they competed well vs the top team in the west. I do not think its a given that Rozier and Herro will remain paired as starters this season.

Vs the Clips
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T. Rozier - J. Richardson - J. Butler - B. Adebayo - H. Highsmith
14 mins, 112.0 OffRtg, 92.6 DefRtg, +19.6

However I think it was tales of two halves
First Half
T. Rozier - J. Richardson - J. Butler - B. Adebayo - H. Highsmith
9 mins, 125.0 OffRtg, 52.9 DefRtg, +72.1 Net

Second Half
T. Rozier - J. Richardson - J. Butler - B. Adebayo - H. Highsmith
5 mins, 88.9 OffRtg, 160.0 DefRtg, -71.1 Net

Just keep this in mind. Heat are paying attention.
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Post#134 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 6, 2024 6:08 pm

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Post#135 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 6, 2024 6:10 pm

twix2500 wrote:We got the first glimpse of a starting lineup based around Rozier, Butler and Bam, without Herro. They didnt put up gawdy numbers but they competed well vs the top team in the west. I do not think its a given that Rozier and Herro will remain paired as starters this season.

Vs the Clips
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T. Rozier - J. Richardson - J. Butler - B. Adebayo - H. Highsmith
14 mins, 112.0 OffRtg, 92.6 DefRtg, +19.6

However I think it was tales of two halves
First Half
T. Rozier - J. Richardson - J. Butler - B. Adebayo - H. Highsmith
9 mins, 125.0 OffRtg, 52.9 DefRtg, +72.1 Net

Second Half
T. Rozier - J. Richardson - J. Butler - B. Adebayo - H. Highsmith
5 mins, 88.9 OffRtg, 160.0 DefRtg, -71.1 Net

Just keep this in mind. Heat are paying attention.


Starting unit outplayed theirs as a unit, wish the bench could’ve matched.

Still want to see it with Duncan instead of JRich
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Post#136 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Feb 6, 2024 6:12 pm

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This could be as easy as Fournier's expiring and a few 2nd rd picks.
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Post#137 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 6, 2024 6:12 pm

Utah really has no reason to keep Clarkson, KO, or even Collins tbh
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Post#138 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 6, 2024 6:13 pm

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This could be as easy as Fournier's expiring and a few 2nd rd picks.


They’re about to be another step ahead of us
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Post#140 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Feb 6, 2024 6:15 pm

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