Sixers Duck the Tax! Orlando involved.

[Texas Chuck]

nothing more annoying than an OP that lays out a very clear benefit to a team to have posters claim multiple times there is literally no benefit. When they rightfully get pushed back on such silliness they then claim that things that have value uniquely have no value to their franchise.

This despite Orlando currently owing 0 2nd round picks and owning 5 extra. So clearly the franchise does value them despite this fanbase trying to tell everyone differently for years. And they never owe 2nds and they always have a pile of extra ones.

maybe i missed it, please show me where the Orlando front office has done anything of value with a 2nd. i seen them sold, traded high 2nd picks for ones years down the road. as you mentioned, Orlando already has 5 picks coming their way, why help an eastern conference rival that doesnt really benefit you much?

I mean you can say no to a free 2nd, but this isn't actually making Philly more competitive. It's just tax savings and they will find a team to do this, you have to know that, so why not be the team getting the free thing.

I'd rather have a free $1000, but if someone wants to give me $100 bill I don't say well I already have one of those in my wallet so no thanks lol.

And who cares what the team does with it. Is it better to have or not? Even if they sell it, that's 7 figures of value.

But what it is not, is nothing. Which is what you have insisted. It's not much, but its definitely not nothing.

[tiderulz]

nothing more annoying than an OP that lays out a very clear benefit to a team to have posters claim multiple times there is literally no benefit. When they rightfully get pushed back on such silliness they then claim that things that have value uniquely have no value to their franchise.

This despite Orlando currently owing 0 2nd round picks and owning 5 extra. So clearly the franchise does value them despite this fanbase trying to tell everyone differently for years. And they never owe 2nds and they always have a pile of extra ones.

maybe i missed it, please show me where the Orlando front office has done anything of value with a 2nd. i seen them sold, traded high 2nd picks for ones years down the road. as you mentioned, Orlando already has 5 picks coming their way, why help an eastern conference rival that doesnt really benefit you much?

I mean you can say no to a free 2nd, but this isn't actually making Philly more competitive. It's just tax savings and they will find a team to do this, you have to know that, so why not be the team getting the free thing.

I'd rather have a free $1000, but if someone wants to give me $100 bill I don't say well I already have one of those in my wallet so no thanks lol.

And who cares what the team does with it. Is it better to have or not? Even if they sell it, that's 7 figures of value.

But what it is not, is nothing. Which is what you have insisted. It's not much, but its definitely not nothing.

does the tax savings help them avoid future penalties? repeat offender status or whatever that would hamper them next year or the year after? your metaphor doesnt work because it isnt in a vacuum. Basketball is a cut throat business, you generally dont help your opponents unless you get something out of it. Remember Philly not needed a PG yet taking Elfrid Payton just before Orlando and causing Orlando to use draft capital?

Maybe its as Skybox said, and its more frustration that this front office never uses any trade assets to improve a team that has needed a PG upgrade for what, a decade? and has been missing shooting for years, yet uses their #1 pick on a guard that cant shoot and over drafts with their 2nd lottery pick on a player that has been living in the G league. i have zero faith in this front office improving this team. hope im wrong, expect im not.

[Texas Chuck]

Again, Philly is going to duck tax. It's not Orlando helps them or they can't do it. You keep ignoring that. They have other options.

And so you aren't helping them in a way they can't be helped and you are getting something.

And yeah you might be frustrated, but that still doesn't make something, nothing.

But this is spitting into the wind. You are dug into this for whatever reason. I sure hope the Magic have a great trade day and trade a bunch of 2nds for something they need and don't get any back. I want good for you guys. I love your coach and Suggs and you guys sure deserve something good for once.

[Skybox]

Just give us that one BIG move that vaults our backcourt offense into balancing our awesome young forward tandem. Nothing wrong with this OP, just depressing

[VFX]

Orlando doesn’t use second round picks, so pass.

[HartfordWhalers]

Orlando doesn’t use second round picks, so pass.

I think this is what Chuck has kept pushing back on.

While fans might be upset that Orlando tends to both trade for second rounders and then later sell those 2nd rounders, it seems silly to assign no value to something the team clearly does value. I mean it’s absolutely self contradictory.

End Chuck rant.

[tiderulz]

Again, Philly is going to duck tax. It's not Orlando helps them or they can't do it. You keep ignoring that. They have other options.

And so you aren't helping them in a way they can't be helped and you are getting something.

And yeah you might be frustrated, but that still doesn't make something, nothing.

But this is spitting into the wind. You are dug into this for whatever reason. I sure hope the Magic have a great trade day and trade a bunch of 2nds for something they need and don't get any back. I want good for you guys. I love your coach and Suggs and you guys sure deserve something good for once.

i think we are just waiting for the obligatory "Magic trade X player (Harris, Goga, ?) for cash considerations and a protected 2nd round pick"

i would personally like them to use some capital on a player like Murray, Sexton, Simons. Give some experienced guard play and scoring, give Paolo and Wagner a little more spacing, but i dont trust our front office. we've been lacking shooting for years and yet, here we are again lacking shooting.

[VFX]

Orlando doesn’t use second round picks, so pass.

I think this is what Chuck has kept pushing back on.

While fans might be upset that Orlando tends to both trade for second rounders and then later sell those 2nd rounders, it seems silly to assign no value to something the team clearly does value. I mean it’s absolutely self contradictory.

End Chuck rant.

Yeah but from a fan perspective ( which is what we are) why would I care if ownership gets extra money as opposed to an asset that actually does something relevant?

[HartfordWhalers]

Orlando doesn’t use second round picks, so pass.

I think this is what Chuck has kept pushing back on.

While fans might be upset that Orlando tends to both trade for second rounders and then later sell those 2nd rounders, it seems silly to assign no value to something the team clearly does value. I mean it’s absolutely self contradictory.

End Chuck rant.

Yeah but from a fan perspective ( which is what we are) why would I care if ownership gets extra money as opposed to an asset that actually does something relevant?

I think a lot of our regulars try to thread that needle. On the one hand there is what we want. On the other hand there is what benefits the team (owners). And a third is what is realistic, which tends to be closer to the second, but not always.

It’s just a ton of a more functional forum if we are all more focused on the realistic than the desired. Otherwise it can become all lopsided superstars for cheap no your superstar to me for cheap.

But imo the best posts capture both.
I want the magic to do a 1st plus swap and expiring for Murray but I won’t be surprised if they just collect seconds and we lose the play in and then draft 13th. From what I can tell the team seems to really still believe in Isaac. They same the same stuff about Fultz but reading between the lines I have my doubts…

Or whatever the mix between what you want l, what you expect, and what you as a local hear that others might not (and then with an assessment for how much is spin).

[BK_2020]

Looks like Orlando missed out on their chance to get a free second but they can still take Danuel House!

[VFX]

I think this is what Chuck has kept pushing back on.

While fans might be upset that Orlando tends to both trade for second rounders and then later sell those 2nd rounders, it seems silly to assign no value to something the team clearly does value. I mean it’s absolutely self contradictory.

End Chuck rant.

Yeah but from a fan perspective ( which is what we are) why would I care if ownership gets extra money as opposed to an asset that actually does something relevant?

I think a lot of our regulars try to thread that needle. On the one hand there is what we want. On the other hand there is what benefits the team (owners). And a third is what is realistic, which tends to be closer to the second, but not always.

It’s just a ton of a more functional forum if we are all more focused on the realistic than the desired. Otherwise it can become all lopsided superstars for cheap no your superstar to me for cheap.

But imo the best posts capture both.
I want the magic to do a 1st plus swap and expiring for Murray but I won’t be surprised if they just collect seconds and we lose the play in and then draft 13th. From what I can tell the team seems to really still believe in Isaac. They same the same stuff about Fultz but reading between the lines I have my doubts…

Or whatever the mix between what you want l, what you expect, and what you as a local hear that others might not (and then with an assessment for how much is spin).

I would get the argument if the second rounders equated to something other than cash or future seconds to be later flipped infinitely down the road. It’s not like these are cap space decisions.

Basically what people are saying is “Just have Orlando throw second round picks into deals because it doesn’t matter anyway and their ownership values cash considerations” in any deal to help opposing teams offload players for cap or whatever. Orlando already does this with their picks. So that shows how little value they are to them.