ATL - TOR: DJMurray for #6, #31, BBrown

[babyjax13]

Quickley and DJmurray can play together at the 1 and 2. The point is to also add a POA defender, so that Scottie can be more of a roamer and help defender.

I get your question, but this is different than the Hawks situation. Unlike Trae, Quickley has shown that he can also thrive in an offball shooter role.

The lineup would look something like this:


Quickley / (Murray & Scottie)
DJMurray / Trent / Ochai
Barrett / Gradey / Nwora?
Scottie / (JSmith? via MLE)
Poeltl / Olynyk


Add #17 pick
Add a PF at the MLE (eg JSmith from Indy?)
Trade Boucher for spare parts



The Raps aren’t winning the championship in the next couple of years, so young talent accumulation is the name of the game.

That’s 4 guys who can score 20 points. If you bank on Scottie’s growth into All NBA caliber, this is a respectable young core with lots of future flexibility.

Playing Murray next to another small guard is just replicating a formula that didn't work. That is a perennial 35 win team.

Quickley and Trae are not the same. This is such a wrong statement. Quickley is taller, heavier, and lengthier than Trae.

Quickley is >25 lb heavier than Trae, with a wingspan of 6’8. He can switch on to most 2 guards in this league.

More importantly, Quickley is actually willing to put in physical work, unlike Trae.

A 6-8 wingspan is nice, it doesn't mean that you aren't creating a small backcourt with two guards who should have their hands. Plus RJ needs the ball, and so does Scottie. It woupd be atrocious teambuilding.

[MessiahUjiri]

Playing Murray next to another small guard is just replicating a formula that didn't work. That is a perennial 35 win team.

Quickley and Trae are not the same. This is such a wrong statement. Quickley is taller, heavier, and lengthier than Trae.

Quickley is >25 lb heavier than Trae, with a wingspan of 6’8. He can switch on to most 2 guards in this league.

More importantly, Quickley is actually willing to put in physical work, unlike Trae.

A 6-8 wingspan is nice, it doesn't mean that you aren't creating a small backcourt with two guards who should have their hands. Plus RJ needs the ball, and so does Scottie. It woupd be atrocious teambuilding.

Did you just change your whole argument after you got proven wrong?


Murray’s wingspan is 6’9.5. Quickley is 6’8. That is not a “small” backcourt. It might be average.

Do you complain about Jrue Holiday and Derrick White being a small backcourt?
Do you complain about Mike Conley and Ant Edwards being a small backcourt?
Those are the top seeds in the NBA right now.

Just because Trae and Murray hasn’t worked out, it’s tainted your opinion.


Also, with regards to your other point. Raptors clearly need another scorer next to Scottie/Barrett/Quickley. Which is where Murray fits in. I agree that Barrett will need to learn to be off the ball more.

[babyjax13]

Quickley and Trae are not the same. This is such a wrong statement. Quickley is taller, heavier, and lengthier than Trae.

Quickley is >25 lb heavier than Trae, with a wingspan of 6’8. He can switch on to most 2 guards in this league.

More importantly, Quickley is actually willing to put in physical work, unlike Trae.

A 6-8 wingspan is nice, it doesn't mean that you aren't creating a small backcourt with two guards who should have their hands. Plus RJ needs the ball, and so does Scottie. It woupd be atrocious teambuilding.

Did you just change your whole argument after you got proven wrong?


Murray’s wingspan is 6’9.5. Quickley is 6’8. That is not a “small” backcourt. It might be average.

Do you complain about Jrue Holiday and Derrick White being a small backcourt?
Do you complain about Mike Conley and Ant Edwards being a small backcourt?
Those are the top seeds in the NBA right now.

Just because Trae and Murray hasn’t worked out, it’s tainted your opinion.


Also, with regards to your other point. Raptors clearly need another scorer next to Scottie/Barrett/Quickley. Which is where Murray fits in. I agree that Barrett will need to learn to be off the ball more.

Donovan Mitchell's wingspan is 6-10, we still had an undersized backcourt. I didn't change my argument at all.

[TorontoBarneys]

I really don't think Murray is a good fit in Toronto. At all.

[louc1970]

Let’s


#6, #31, Bruce Brown
for
Dejounte Murray


.

My initial reaction is can Murray and Quickley play together. Then I answer yes.
Next question is: is Murray at 28 years old worth a top 6 pick? Probably depending on what Toronto’s plans are.
Toronto is going to need a PF if Barnes is the 2G or SF, or a center if Barnes is the PF.
Players in that 5-10 range that fit are Buzelis, Holland, Filipowski. Are either of them more desirable than Murray?

[louc1970]

I have this as overpay by the Raps, but not egregious enough to deter them from pulling the trigger if they like DJM.

If it is an overpay, what would be the equalizer- adding Bufkin, Griffin or Fernando? Maybe second round picks going to Toronto?

[louc1970]

Would Toronto, if the ideal situation is getting Murray, be better off trading Barrett for Murray? Keeping the pick to get young player?

[dms269]

Would Toronto, if the ideal situation is getting Murray, be better off trading Barrett for Murray? Keeping the pick to get young player?

Atlanta wouldn't consider swapping Murray for Barrett.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I don't like the direction for Toronto. Murray is good but he isn't what this team needs. We go from a very bad team to a slightly bad team that makes the play in tournament. I rather take Buzelis or Holland or Cody Williams and continue the rebuild through next year

[PistolPeteJR]

What was the point of trading for Quickley if they just do this?

100% this. I pass on this if I’m Toronto.

[ConSarnit]

Quickley and DJmurray can play together at the 1 and 2. The point is to also add a POA defender, so that Scottie can be more of a roamer and help defender.

I get your question, but this is different than the Hawks situation. Unlike Trae, Quickley has shown that he can also thrive in an offball shooter role.

The lineup would look something like this:


Quickley / (Murray & Scottie)
DJMurray / Trent / Ochai
Barrett / Gradey / Nwora?
Scottie / (JSmith? via MLE)
Poeltl / Olynyk


Add #17 pick
Add a PF at the MLE (eg JSmith from Indy?)
Trade Boucher for spare parts



The Raps aren’t winning the championship in the next couple of years, so young talent accumulation is the name of the game.

That’s 4 guys who can score 20 points. If you bank on Scottie’s growth into All NBA caliber, this is a respectable young core with lots of future flexibility.

Playing Murray next to another small guard is just replicating a formula that didn't work. That is a perennial 35 win team.

Quickley and Trae are not the same. This is such a wrong statement. Quickley is taller, heavier, and lengthier than Trae.

Quickley is >25 lb heavier than Trae, with a wingspan of 6’8. He can switch on to most 2 guards in this league.

More importantly, Quickley is actually willing to put in physical work, unlike Trae.

If Quickley could play the 2 full-time NYK wouldn't have traded him because his skillset pairs well with Brunson.

If Murray could effectively play the 2 full-time ATL wouldn't be in the spot they are currently in. Murray's defense has slipped and he isn't the guard stopper ATL hoped they were getting.

Now maybe both guys could cover more for each other because they would no longer be playing with Trae or Brunson but it's still not a great fit. Both guys are pg's and their flaws become larger if they are forced to play sg full-time. The Raptors need to be taking swings to get another clear all-star level player to pair with Barnes. That isn't Murray.

[shakes0]

Quickley and Trae are not the same. This is such a wrong statement. Quickley is taller, heavier, and lengthier than Trae.

Quickley is >25 lb heavier than Trae, with a wingspan of 6’8. He can switch on to most 2 guards in this league.

More importantly, Quickley is actually willing to put in physical work, unlike Trae.

oh yea, Is Quickely in the top 10 in the league in steals and charges drawn?


GTFO with this BS narrative.

[MessiahUjiri]

Quickley and Trae are not the same. This is such a wrong statement. Quickley is taller, heavier, and lengthier than Trae.

Quickley is >25 lb heavier than Trae, with a wingspan of 6’8. He can switch on to most 2 guards in this league.

More importantly, Quickley is actually willing to put in physical work, unlike Trae.

oh yea, Is Quickely in the top 10 in the league in steals and charges drawn?


GTFO with this BS narrative.

Are you going to refute the points in the post, or just act like a petulant child?

[shakes0]

Quickley and Trae are not the same. This is such a wrong statement. Quickley is taller, heavier, and lengthier than Trae.

Quickley is >25 lb heavier than Trae, with a wingspan of 6’8. He can switch on to most 2 guards in this league.

More importantly, Quickley is actually willing to put in physical work, unlike Trae.

oh yea, Is Quickely in the top 10 in the league in steals and charges drawn?


GTFO with this BS narrative.

Are you going to refute the points in the post, or just act like a petulant child?

I just did. Unless you think that taking charges and getting steals don't count as "putting in physical work".


You know what else is physical? drawing fouls by seeking out and not avoiding contact while shooting. No one takes hits from players twice his size more than Trae. And no one refuses to shy away or back down from those situations more than Trae.

It's blatantly insulting and ignorant to say that Trae isn't "willing to put in physical work".


pound for pound, there isn't a single player in the NBA who is tougher than Trae Young.

[MessiahUjiri]

oh yea, Is Quickely in the top 10 in the league in steals and charges drawn?


GTFO with this BS narrative.

Are you going to refute the points in the post, or just act like a petulant child?

I just did. Unless you think that taking charges and getting steals don't count as "putting in physical work".


You know what else is physical? drawing fouls by seeking out and not avoiding contact while shooting. No one takes hits from players twice his size more than Trae. And no one refuses to shy away or back down from those situations more than Trae.

It's blatantly insulting and ignorant to say that Trae isn't "willing to put in physical work".


pound for pound, there isn't a single player in the NBA who is tougher than Trae Young.

Ah, so you’re a Trae fan girl.


Trae weighs a petite 164 pounds. No wonder you tried making the “pound for pound” argument. Except in the real world, there are no bonus marks for being in a smaller weight class. Trae gets bodied on D and has to rely on gambling for steals. That explains your little “stat”.


Your argument was cute though.

[shakes0]

Are you going to refute the points in the post, or just act like a petulant child?

I just did. Unless you think that taking charges and getting steals don't count as "putting in physical work".


You know what else is physical? drawing fouls by seeking out and not avoiding contact while shooting. No one takes hits from players twice his size more than Trae. And no one refuses to shy away or back down from those situations more than Trae.

It's blatantly insulting and ignorant to say that Trae isn't "willing to put in physical work".


pound for pound, there isn't a single player in the NBA who is tougher than Trae Young.

Ah, so you’re a Trae fan girl.


Trae weighs a petite 164 pounds. No wonder you tried making the “pound for pound” argument. Except in the real world, there are no bonus marks for being in a smaller weight class. Trae gets bodied on D and has to rely on gambling for steals. That explains your little “stat”.


Your argument was cute though.

petite yet still top 10 in the league in charges drawn. Yet you say he isn't "willing to put in physical work".

And then you call me a girl while a few posts back you referred to me as a petulant child.


Maybe you need to look in a mirror before you try moving goal posts (ignoring the charges drawn) and acting like a child (calling me a fan girl).

[Threezus]

Are you going to refute the points in the post, or just act like a petulant child?

I just did. Unless you think that taking charges and getting steals don't count as "putting in physical work".


You know what else is physical? drawing fouls by seeking out and not avoiding contact while shooting. No one takes hits from players twice his size more than Trae. And no one refuses to shy away or back down from those situations more than Trae.

It's blatantly insulting and ignorant to say that Trae isn't "willing to put in physical work".


pound for pound, there isn't a single player in the NBA who is tougher than Trae Young.

Ah, so you’re a Trae fan girl.


Trae weighs a petite 164 pounds. No wonder you tried making the “pound for pound” argument. Except in the real world, there are no bonus marks for being in a smaller weight class. Trae gets bodied on D and has to rely on gambling for steals. That explains your little “stat”.


Your argument was cute though.

So their are 2 sides to this his side where he is a bit of a homer of Trae as i don't agree with his pound for pound take. But also your side where you refuse to ever give Trae his credit where credit is do no matter what work he ever puts in or improves at.

Trae isn't as good a defender as Quickley is because as you said Quickley is bigger and longer that will never change. But on the other hand you absolutely can't discredit the improvement trae has done this year on defense. You can't be top 10 in charges and be soft or not put in the physical work thats literally one of the most physical things you can do on defense is take a defenseless charge lol.

I just can't ever understand why some people get things stuck in their head from years past and never believe a player can upgrade or change themselves. It's not just you that does it but quite a few people. Like alot of people said KAT couldn't play a lick of defense and that was me included but this year just like Trae he is proving he can and has taken a step to bettering himself on that. The better and more intelligent fans learn year by year and don't get stuck on things of the past because they just don't like someone. But will learn to reevaluate players yearly and see what they are improving on. Trae who imo was worst in the league on defense 3 years ago has improved every year and under Quinn has improved 10 fold to a below avg to avg defender instead of woat and 100% is m,ore active on that end being pesky which the top 10 in steals and charges proves.

[Andre Roberstan]

I just did. Unless you think that taking charges and getting steals don't count as "putting in physical work".


You know what else is physical? drawing fouls by seeking out and not avoiding contact while shooting. No one takes hits from players twice his size more than Trae. And no one refuses to shy away or back down from those situations more than Trae.

It's blatantly insulting and ignorant to say that Trae isn't "willing to put in physical work".


pound for pound, there isn't a single player in the NBA who is tougher than Trae Young.

Ah, so you’re a Trae fan girl.


Trae weighs a petite 164 pounds. No wonder you tried making the “pound for pound” argument. Except in the real world, there are no bonus marks for being in a smaller weight class. Trae gets bodied on D and has to rely on gambling for steals. That explains your little “stat”.


Your argument was cute though.

petite yet still top 10 in the league in charges drawn. Yet you say he isn't "willing to put in physical work".

And then you call me a girl while a few posts back you referred to me as a petulant child.


Maybe you need to look in a mirror before you try moving goal posts (ignoring the charges drawn) and acting like a child (calling me a fan girl).

I need both of y'all to take about three steps back and stop escalating. This helps no one. Stop with the personal attacks. This is your one and only informal warning.

[Texas Chuck]

Ah, so you’re a Trae fan girl.

Just so we are clear, misogyny of this kind will always be a formal warning on this board in the future. Do not take this approach again. You are lucky this time that there was so much petty nonsense that Andre missed this. This is an inclusive board and always will be.