Wendell Carter Jr for a point guard

MasterIchiro · Post #1 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:10 pm

WCJ for Micic or Tre Mann. Nick Richards included.

Hornets need a stretch big to complement Mark Williams.

Magic need a point guard.

Any compatibilities between the 2 teams?

jayjaysee · Post #2 » by **jayjaysee** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:22 pm

I don’t think WCJ holds much value.. But I think Richards has more value than either guard involved here. Orlando would be owed a good amount more.

And they’ll likely be aiming a lot higher in free agency/trade. (Hopefully they make a move this summer with how good the kids have looked)

But I hope for Charlotte and Mann that he can keep this play up and it keeps having a positive impact. And if he does, the OP becomes an obvious nonstarter for Charlotte..

Post #3 » by **Mamba4Goat** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:29 pm

Richards, Micic, and 2nds could make sense if Orlando is interested. Otherwise if this is a general PG for WCJ thread, does Ayo move the needle enough?

MasterIchiro · Post #4 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:31 pm

jayjaysee wrote:I don’t think WCJ holds much value.. But I think Richards has more value than either guard involved here. Orlando would be owed a good amount more.

And they’ll likely be aiming a lot higher in free agency/trade. (Hopefully they make a move this summer with how good the kids have looked)

But I hope for Charlotte and Mann that he can keep this play up and it keeps having a positive impact. And if he does, the OP becomes an obvious nonstarter for Charlotte..

I have the Magic targeting Tyus Jones. He'd be better than either Tre Mann or Micic. But I don't think Tyus Jones will be worth his contract.

Micic or Mann could potentially start on a very small contract. And I figure Nick Richards gives the Magic some rim protection which may be a priority over stretch big.

MasterIchiro · Post #5 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:35 pm

Mamba4Goat wrote:Richards, Micic, and 2nds could make sense if Orlando is interested. Otherwise if this is a general PG for WCJ thread, does Ayo move the needle enough?

The best 2nd rounder the Hornets have is 2027 Blazers. The next best one is 2024 Rockets.

orlando_joe · Post #6 » by **orlando_joe** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:39 pm

wcj may not have much value...but this is a case of more value to magic..i think they hold wcj over this..think they would look to add to wcj for upgrade not split him up

Residual-Heat · Post #7 » by **Residual-Heat** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:09 pm

i dont think the fit or value is there for the Magic. Nick Richards is a back up and they already have Mo Wagner, so there really isnt much playing time available for him. Tre/Micic have a lot to prove for me to believe they can fill the starting PG role on a good team.

The Magic have 40+ mill in capsace and there are PGs available in FA that are a lot more proven than Mann/Micic. So to me this trade doesnt make much sense ATM.

babyjax13 · Post #8 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:28 pm

Orlando has so many guards, this seems like a bad use of resources. They should make a package for a better player if they want to solve their issues at that position, or just wait for Suggs and Black to develop more.

psman2 · Post #9 » by **psman2** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:35 pm

Micic or Tre Mann don't have the value you think they do. Maybe by season's end they could but as of right now they are likely viewed still as a 2nd round value flier(Mann) and a slightly negative contract(Micic).

Orlando has the assets and cap space to aim higher here.

Post #10 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:24 pm

I don't see anyway Mo Wagner can consistently play a starter's minutes without fouling out. Also, the combination of WCJ and Wagner off the bench are a lot for the other team to deal with. Sometimes weakening a position of strength in the name of balance doesn't work out. If I'm the Magic, there needs to be a better PG coming back for me to consider this.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #11 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:25 pm

The Magic drafted a PG 6th overall last year.

Skybox · Post #12 » by **Skybox** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:34 pm

Just adding more mediocre PGs to the pile doesn't make sense for ORL, who is well positioned for a bigger score. They've got a ton of cap, young prospects on rookie or team-friendly deals, all of their picks + plus at least one extra frp. Giving up WCJ is not a small thing, but makes sense for a significant upgrade in the backcourt.

tiderulz · Post #13 » by **tiderulz** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:51 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:The Magic drafted a PG 6th overall last year.

yes, but he needs more time developing and why waste a good year right now. if they can either get a good stop-gap one or part of a bigger play for a really good one, why not shake the trees and see what falls out

BarbaGrizz · Post #14 » by **BarbaGrizz** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:09 pm

What (if anything) is the Magic willing to add in a potential Marcus Smart for WCJ trade?

jjohns828 · Post #15 » by **jjohns828** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:12 pm

BarbaGrizz wrote:What (if anything) is the Magic willing to add in a potential Marcus Smart for WCJ trade?

I’d say nothing because I don’t think Smart fits at all what we need at PG. We need a more offensive minded PG then him and a much better shooter.

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Myth · Post #16 » by **Myth** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:50 pm

What would it take to swap Brogdon with WCJ?

BK_2020 · Post #17 » by **BK_2020** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:26 pm

tiderulz wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:The Magic drafted a PG 6th overall last year.

yes, but he needs more time developing and why waste a good year right now. if they can either get a good stop-gap one or part of a bigger play for a really good one, why not shake the trees and see what falls out

Just get Tyus Jones on a short-term deal or trade a couple seconds for Brogdon.

esvl · Post #18 » by **esvl** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:44 pm

psman2 wrote:Micic or Tre Mann don't have the value you think they do. Maybe by season's end they could but as of right now they are likely viewed still as a 2nd round value flier(Mann) and a slightly negative contract(Micic).

Orlando has the assets and cap space to aim higher here.

Do you think our FO keeps WCJ in mind as a cheap backup plan in case the Claxton operation fails?

psman2 · Post #19 » by **psman2** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:53 pm

esvl wrote:
psman2 wrote:Micic or Tre Mann don't have the value you think they do. Maybe by season's end they could but as of right now they are likely viewed still as a 2nd round value flier(Mann) and a slightly negative contract(Micic).

Orlando has the assets and cap space to aim higher here.

Do you think our FO keeps WCJ in mind as a cheap backup plan in case the Claxton operation fails?

I do think we might have some interest, but it would likely have to be part of a bigger deal with Orlando landing a center upgrade and needing to spin off WCJ for an asset. Maybe if Orlando has a deal done with Claxton in FA but needs to clear some money then we can take on the whole contract into a DPE and send a pick.

Godaddycurse · Post #20 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:25 am

psman2 wrote:
esvl wrote:
psman2 wrote:Micic or Tre Mann don't have the value you think they do. Maybe by season's end they could but as of right now they are likely viewed still as a 2nd round value flier(Mann) and a slightly negative contract(Micic).

Orlando has the assets and cap space to aim higher here.

Do you think our FO keeps WCJ in mind as a cheap backup plan in case the Claxton operation fails?

I do think we might have some interest, but it would likely have to be part of a bigger deal with Orlando landing a center upgrade and needing to spin off WCJ for an asset. Maybe if Orlando has a deal done with Claxton in FA but needs to clear some money then we can take on the whole contract into a DPE and send a pick.

They have more than enough cap space for Claxton