Fadeaway_J wrote:Have to be honest, I really wish we could find a way to resolve these games that didn't involve voting. I try to vote on every matchup, but it's not something I particularly enjoy or even feel I'm especially qualified to do. Then with the reduced participation some of these threads can just drag on for days.
I agree with this. One slightly off the wall idea would be to use ChatGPT to decide the matchups. (It's kind of dumb and personally I wouldn't use it for anything important, but for a game like this, sure.) I'm sure I'd get annoyed at its decisions, but I do for the human judges too.... One issue is that it seems like it only has data from Jan. 2022 and earlier, so it would not know about any developments since then.
My assessment is that it's a worse judge than a smart human, but the smart humans seem like they are getting tired of judging these matchups anyway...
Here's an example of a "dialogue" I had with it. (Blue text is me, black is ChatGPT.) I used Laimbeer's and lilroddyb's teams from the low fga draft.
I will give you two fictional basketball teams, made up of players from different years. Each player will be listed with the year he is taken from and the number of minutes he plays in the rotation. Wait until I have presented both teams. Then tell me which team you think would win, based on overall assessments of player quality, team dynamics like shooting and defense, etc.Sure, I'd be happy to help with that! Just let me know the two teams and their respective player compositions when you're ready.
First team.
David Robinson ( 1998 )
Boris Diaw ( 2013 )
Paul Pierce ( 2010 )
Hersey Hawkins ( 1998 )
Magic Johnson ( 1985 )
Ben Wallace ( 2009 ) 3.0
Jared Dudley ( 2010 ) 6.0
Mike Miller ( 2013 ) 3.9
David Robinson (36) / Ben Wallace (12)
Boris Diaw (30) / Jared Dudley (18)
Paul Pierce (38) / Jared Dudley (10)
Hersey Hawkins (26) / Mike Miller (22)
Magic Johnson (38) / Hersey Hawkins (10)Got it, that's Team 1. And the second team?
C: Bill Walton 38 min / Dikembe Mutombo 10 min
Pf: Robert Horry 38 min / Kyle Anderson 10 min
Sf: Jimmy Butler 38 min / Kyle Anderson 10 min
Sg: Manu Ginobili 24 min / Brent Barry 24 min
Pg: Nate McMillan 36 min / Manu Ginobili 12 min
2005 Manu Ginobili
2002 Robert Horry
1996 Nate McMillan
2005 Dikembe
2022 Jimmy Butler
1977 Bill Walton
2017 Kyle Anderson
2006 Brent BarryThanks for providing the compositions. Let me analyze both teams:
Team 1:
David Robinson (1998): Strong presence in the paint, both offensively and defensively. Great rebounder and shot blocker.
Boris Diaw (2013): Versatile player with excellent passing and scoring ability. Can play multiple positions effectively.
Paul Pierce (2010): Proven scorer and clutch performer. Capable of creating his own shot and scoring from anywhere on the court.
Hersey Hawkins (1998): Solid shooter with good defensive skills. Provides spacing on the floor.
Magic Johnson (1985): Legendary playmaker with exceptional court vision and leadership. Can control the tempo of the game and set up his teammates effectively.
This team has a good balance of scoring, playmaking, and defense, with strong leadership from Magic Johnson.
Team 2:
Bill Walton (1977): Dominant center with great passing skills and shot-blocking ability.
Robert Horry (2002): Big-game player known for hitting clutch shots and playing tough defense.
Jimmy Butler (2022): Elite two-way player with scoring ability and lockdown defense.
Manu Ginobili (2005): Dynamic scorer and playmaker off the bench. Provides energy and creativity.
Nate McMillan (1996): Defensive-minded point guard who can distribute the ball effectively and control the pace of the game.
This team is anchored by strong defensive players like Bill Walton, Dikembe Mutombo, and Jimmy Butler, with experienced role players like Robert Horry and Nate McMillan.
Based on the analysis, it seems like Team 1 has a slight edge in overall talent and cohesion. They have a mix of scoring, playmaking, and defensive prowess, led by the legendary Magic Johnson. Team 2, while strong defensively, may struggle to match the offensive firepower and versatility of Team 1. Therefore, I would give the edge to Team 1 in this matchup.
Seems like you ignored the bench players. Was that on purpose?You're right; I focused more on the starting lineup and didn't delve into the bench players as much. Let's factor them in:
Team 1 Bench:
Ben Wallace (2009): Defensive stalwart and rebounder, provides energy off the bench.
Jared Dudley (2010): Versatile forward who can stretch the floor with his shooting.
Mike Miller (2013): Sharpshooter who can knock down three-pointers and provide scoring punch off the bench.
Team 2 Bench:
Dikembe Mutombo (2005): Elite shot blocker and rim protector, adds depth to the frontcourt.
Kyle Anderson (2017): Versatile forward with the ability to handle the ball and play multiple positions.
Brent Barry (2006): Three-point specialist and solid perimeter defender.
Considering the bench players, both teams have solid depth and role players who can contribute in various ways. Team 1 has more scoring options off the bench with players like Jared Dudley and Mike Miller, while Team 2 boasts defensive presence with Dikembe Mutombo and perimeter shooting with Brent Barry.
Taking the bench into account, Team 1 still maintains a slight edge in overall talent and versatility, especially with the scoring punch they can bring off the bench. However, Team 2's bench provides strong defensive options that could make an impact in certain matchups. So, considering the entire rosters, I would still give the edge to Team 1 in this matchup.