NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

[Exp0sed]

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Gotta go to Jokic now. Shai has lost the plot when he is doing stuff like that.

he didn't "lose the plot" because of one play but that's a really bad look, no doubt
also, its funny how he's -9 in a game where 3 other starters were positive and it coincides with not having J-Dub

is it possible +- are affected by team context? no way!

[Lakers In 5]

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This is Giannis/Embiid levels of awful. If he has some sort of bonus in his contract that triggers if he scored 30 in an X amount of games, alas. I’d at least understand. However, I highly doubt this is the case, and it makes him look like a clown.

He deserves all the flock he gets, and I won’t forget this next time someone brings up he’s scored 30 so many times.

[MMyhre]

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Gotta go to Jokic now. Shai has lost the plot when he is doing stuff like that.

he didn't "lose the plot" because of one play but that's a really bad look, no doubt
also, its funny how he's -9 in a game where 3 other starters were positive and it coincides with not having J-Dub

is it possible +- are affected by team context? no way!

I mean, bro. When you do stuff like that, that shows that your mindset is in a bad place. Chasing worthless stats. Individual honors, records, streaks. Low accountability/too much star power going on in OKC when you can do stuff like that. Especially the fact that he is chasing scoring especially is concerning to me, considering how little he playmakes/enables Chet on the offensive end, compared to J-Dub who is creating a very good 2 man game with Chet.

I think the Shai and J-Dub fit will be questionable if Shai decides to go the "ego route", thats actually why this play concerns me more than it normally would. The more your ego takes over, and you`re not being held accountable, the less you will adapt/play a team game, and this team needs to grow together and he needs to allow J-Dub and Chet to share more of the load/evolve their game. Especially Chet needs to be enabled more, because he clearly isn`t a demanding player, but they need more scoring from him in games like these, and thats when the Shai statpadding scoring in a loss concerns me, it just is a pretty big indicator that he is too focused on individual goals, when the team needs to grow more than he needs to score points, and he is responsible for setting up his teammates.

I was worried about how he would perform in the postseason if he struggled, I was saying maybe he will start chucking and being frustrated, and this play tells me that it might happen, and he can become a problem for the team chemistry/team development. Ego. Let`s just say I will be less surprised if SGA has a poor showing in the postseason after this, I thought he was a bit more mature, but the ego wants what the ego wants. Bad mindset.

Ofc I am reading into it a bit much, but its still a valuable insight into his mindset. Not many winning players do crap like this, because they understand the bigger picture. The playoffs need to start! I want to see the answers.

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Nuggets have been kicking the bucket this season, every chance they had to get to the top.
if they can win in Miami tonight, which will put them (at least temporarily) back in 1st, I think that basically seals the deal for Jokic's 3rd MVP

[MMyhre]

Nuggets have been kicking the bucket this season, every chance they had to get to the top.
if they can win in Miami tonight, which will put them (at least temporarily) back in 1st, I think that basically seals the deal for Jokic's 3rd MVP

I wouldn`t go as far as to say it seals it, as OKC can still get the 1st seed, but he is the easier choice for many, but I also think voter fatigue may make it interesting vs Shai. Luka is out unless they make a big leap in the standings and he drops 73 over some games, no chance for such a low seed and the "empty" stats narrative is seemingly trending a bit again. Despite Luka stans having a couple wanks a day to his raw statistics, it`s unlikely, but anything can happen.

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Nuggets have been kicking the bucket this season, every chance they had to get to the top.
if they can win in Miami tonight, which will put them (at least temporarily) back in 1st, I think that basically seals the deal for Jokic's 3rd MVP

I wouldn`t go as far as to say it seals it, as OKC can still get the 1st seed, but he is the easier choice for many, but I also think voter fatigue may make it interesting vs Shai. Luka is out unless they make a big leap in the standings and he drops 73 over some games, no chance for such a low seed and the "empty" stats narrative is seemingly trending a bit again. Despite Luka stans having a couple wanks a day to his raw statistics, it`s unlikely, but anything can happen.

I think voter's fatigue (coupled with a racism driven campaign) robbed Jokic last season. Seeing as he answered with an epic playoff run and his first ring,i doubt there's any voters fatigue towards him this season

Next season, he'll still be doing his thing but u can bet ur ass, media, fans and voters will basically be looking to find any excuse to give it to everyone but him.

But thus season? No fatigue imo

One caveat would be Denver repeating, personally i think that's pretty unlikely but still if it were to happen, i doubt folks would have qualms about awarding him again, if he'll deserve it, like he is this season.

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[MMyhre]

Nuggets have been kicking the bucket this season, every chance they had to get to the top.
if they can win in Miami tonight, which will put them (at least temporarily) back in 1st, I think that basically seals the deal for Jokic's 3rd MVP

I wouldn`t go as far as to say it seals it, as OKC can still get the 1st seed, but he is the easier choice for many, but I also think voter fatigue may make it interesting vs Shai. Luka is out unless they make a big leap in the standings and he drops 73 over some games, no chance for such a low seed and the "empty" stats narrative is seemingly trending a bit again. Despite Luka stans having a couple wanks a day to his raw statistics, it`s unlikely, but anything can happen.

I think voter's fatigue (coupled with a racism driven campaign) robbed Jokic last season. Seeing as he answered with an epic playoff run and his first ring,i doubt there's any voters fatigue towards him this season

Next season, he'll still be doing his thing but u can bet ur ass, media, fans and voters will basically be looking to find any excuse to give it to everyone but him.

But thus season? No fatigue imo

One caveat would be Denver repeating, personally i think that's pretty unlikely but still if it were to happen, i doubt folks would have qualms about awarding him again, if he'll deserve it, like he is this season.

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Idk man, you need to remember some of these voters are clowns, so we will see. I think there will be Luka voters, and Shai voters, regardless of Jokic scoring 100 points every game to finish the season, some people just get their narrative and become subjective. It`s just about if its going to split up between those guys so that most sensible people vote Jokic, or if OKC gets the 1 seed and Shai can get the narrative going. He didn`t help his case last night.

[Johnny Firpo]

Barring a huge drop off in his level, Jokic will get his 3rd. The 4th one will/would be an entirely different case, now those voices again would get louder. Is he as good as LeBron or MJ or Kareem? Or he's more in the Bird or Magic tier? Because if he gets a 4th, then we kind of declare that he belongs in the first one, and I don't think people are ready for that, and some people will definitely not want to see that, ever, regardless of what he does.

[sikma42]

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This is poor leadership. Very disappointing. OKC is a young team and have shown multiple times that they were concerned more with stats/awards than winning at the highest stage.

Regardless, Jokic is the MVP and the best player in the league.


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[GeorgeSears]

Barring a huge drop off in his level, Jokic will get his 3rd. The 4th one will/would be an entirely different case, now those voices again would get louder. Is he as good as LeBron or MJ or Kareem? Or he's more in the Bird of Magic tier? Because if he gets a 4th, then it kind of the first one, and for that, people are definitely not ready, and some people will definitely not want to see that.

You're probably right. If he were to win his third this year, the fourth would be very unlikely unless he wins another title.

[zero rings]

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I wonder if Kendrick Perkins will have anything to say about this shameless stat padding?

We all know he really, really hates stat padding.

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This is poor leadership. Very disappointing. OKC is a young team and have shown multiple times that they were concerned more with stats/awards than winning at the highest stage.

Regardless, Jokic is the MVP and the best player in the league.


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what is this Twitter post talking about? there was no "streak" he scored 23 or 20 (can't recall) in his previous game, so no streak of any kind. but yes, it was blatant stat padding to bolster his FG% and PTS, while also getting specifigcally for 30 and ofc - it's unsportsmanlike as well

but a pretty minor issue in the grand scheme of things, hope this was just a one time thing from a momentary frustration and not an actual mindset

[Bob8]

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This is poor leadership. Very disappointing. OKC is a young team and have shown multiple times that they were concerned more with stats/awards than winning at the highest stage.

Regardless, Jokic is the MVP and the best player in the league.


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what is this Twitter post talking about? there was no "streak" he scored 23 or 20 (can't recall) in his previous game, so no streak of any kind. but yes, it was blatant stat padding to bolster his FG% and PTS, while also getting specifigcally for 30 and ofc - it's unsportsmanlike as well

but a pretty minor issue in the grand scheme of things, hope this was just a one time thing from a momentary frustration and not an actual mindset

He has the most 30 points games in the season, it seems like important achievement for him.

[scrabbarista]

Man, it's hard to forget how shameful Perkins' calling Jokic a stat-padder was.

He's practically the only star who doesn't pad his stats.

It's kind of like when people call a good-looking person conceited. They're really just jealous and thinking, "No way someone that good-looking isn't conceited about it." And other people will believe it if they call the good-looking person conceited, even if they don't know the person. Perkins took advantage of a similar situation: "No way someone with those stats isn't stat-padding." The more good-looking/ the better the stats, the more likely people would believe the lie if they never actually watched Jokic play. (And, of course... we know Perkins was also willing to bring race into the equation as well... )

[Woodsanity]

Man, it's hard to forget how shameful Perkins' calling Jokic a stat-padder was.

He's practically the only star who doesn't pad his stats.

It's kind of like when people call a good-looking person conceited. They're really just jealous and thinking, "No way someone that good-looking isn't conceited about it." And other people will believe it if they call the good-looking person conceited, even if they don't know the person. Perkins took advantage of a similar situation: "No way someone with those stats isn't stat-padding." The more good-looking/ the better the stats, the more likely people would believe the lie if they never actually watched Jokic play. (And, of course... we know Perkins was also willing to bring race into the equation as well... )

Its funny that Perkins was dumb enough to call out the superstar that stat pads the least.

If Jokic was a statpadder he could easily average a triple double. Last year he had 9.8 assists but he does not care about stuff like that at all since he has a bigger picture view which is aiming for championships.

This is the same guy who only scored 4 points against the Pistons with only 3 attempted shots.

[Sgt Major]

This is the same guy who only scored 4 points against the Pistons with only 3 attempted shots.

Pistons fans said that was their most embarrassing loss of the season, because Jokic simply didn't care at all about them.

[Wolfgang630]

Nuggets have been kicking the bucket this season, every chance they had to get to the top.
if they can win in Miami tonight, which will put them (at least temporarily) back in 1st, I think that basically seals the deal for Jokic's 3rd MVP

They’re not going to win tonight. Every time Denver has a chance to take the 1 seed they lose.

[Special_Puppy]

MVP Odds according to Betting Markets with Vig Removed
Jokic 65%
SGA 19%
Luka 10%
Giannis 4%
Tatum 2%
Edwards 0.4%

[Exp0sed]

Nuggets have been kicking the bucket this season, every chance they had to get to the top.
if they can win in Miami tonight, which will put them (at least temporarily) back in 1st, I think that basically seals the deal for Jokic's 3rd MVP

They’re not going to win tonight. Every time Denver has a chance to take the 1 seed they lose.

I know, it's pretty comical at this point

[Jaqua92]

Nuggets have been kicking the bucket this season, every chance they had to get to the top.
if they can win in Miami tonight, which will put them (at least temporarily) back in 1st, I think that basically seals the deal for Jokic's 3rd MVP

Crazy thing about this is that it's been legitimately EVERY time they have a chance to get the 1 seed. There were like 3 occasions this year where a simple win gets them the 1 seed. Then they lose 2 out of 3. Heck, they finally got the 1 seed after beating LA, then lost 3 straight leading into all star break.

Letting those games get away from them, AND Murray being out for a month, and they're still tied with OKC? Denver should be like 49-15 right now. This is absolutely a 62-64 win team this year, screwing around.

They won't need 1 seed to get back to the finals, but they'll need it to make that trip as restful as possible.