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The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3

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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#161 » by agkagk » Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:29 am

Over the last two games ive confirmed a suspicion

Grady has crazy elite ball iq and vision

Take note of how many uncontested weak side rebounds he gets

Hes showing a wayne gretzky like knack for knowing where the ball/play will be/materialize 3 seconds in advance

Factoring in his high iq, measurements, curry-smooth shot and lowkey/possibly elite athleticism my eyes are opening up to just how high his ceiling is

Like im biased to the point of being blatantly racist by how hesitant i am to believe my eyes— i think this kid might be just below the absolute elite in terms of nba level athleticism

Straight up, if he was black I’d be screaming it from the rooftops, but for now I’m reserving judgment until he fills out and strong enough to absorb contact

Long point short, this kid is checking every box. My eyes tell me his realistic ceiling is top of the food chain elite

Ps: sorry if my opinion is offensive, just being real. What my eyes and gut are telling me is that grady is as much of a physical unicorn as previous caucasian nba players like robert swift (literally can’t think of another name).
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#162 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:00 am

So many people were mad we didn't take scrubs like Bufkin or Whitmore with our pick, or that a scrub like Walker was off the board when we picked (as if Masai would waste a pick on him). Masai is in his own league when it comes to the draft. People need to stop doubting him. I thought we learned that after the 2021 draft.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#163 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:16 am

HumbleRen wrote:RJ is a good player and does a lot of things well.

The only reason why I don’t think he’s a core player is because I don’t see how we can ever be a good to great defensive team with RJ at the 3.

Especially if Dick is our future 2. It puts too much of a burden on Scottie and our 5.


He's shown flashes of being a reliable defender in the past. The defensive upside is definitely there. Hopefully the Raps development staff can maximize it.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#164 » by HumbleRen » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:48 am

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HumbleRen wrote:RJ is a good player and does a lot of things well.

The only reason why I don’t think he’s a core player is because I don’t see how we can ever be a good to great defensive team with RJ at the 3.

Especially if Dick is our future 2. It puts too much of a burden on Scottie and our 5.


He's shown flashes of being a reliable defender in the past. The defensive upside is definitely there. Hopefully the Raps development staff can maximize it.


I’m not so sure. His feet are even slower than Scottie on the perimeter. You can’t teach quick feet and lateral quickness.

He can be average or a solid team defender but that isn’t good enough. The starting line up will eventually need a defensive specialist on wings so when we eventually become a playoff caliber team.

Asking Scottie to guard the best wings and steer the reigns on offence is too much a burden on him. Plus it takes away what he’s best at which is help side defence.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#165 » by TRik » Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:14 am

HumbleRen wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:RJ is a good player and does a lot of things well.

The only reason why I don’t think he’s a core player is because I don’t see how we can ever be a good to great defensive team with RJ at the 3.

Especially if Dick is our future 2. It puts too much of a burden on Scottie and our 5.


He's shown flashes of being a reliable defender in the past. The defensive upside is definitely there. Hopefully the Raps development staff can maximize it.


I’m not so sure. His feet are even slower than Scottie on the perimeter. You can’t teach quick feet and lateral quickness.

He can be average or a solid team defender but that isn’t good enough. The starting line up will eventually need a defensive specialist on wings so when we eventually become a playoff caliber team.

Asking Scottie to guard the best wings and steer the reigns on offence is too much a burden on him. Plus it takes away what he’s best at which is help side defence.


He’s a 6th or 7th man on a good team in my book. Like…I love how he plays aggressively and all that…and love that he’s Canadian, but let’s be honest the Knicks wouldn’t have let him go if he didn’t have some decent flaws.

Slow footed defence, what I’d call poor court/team awareness at times, and inconsistent shooting.

Again, not trying to hate, just how I see him being best placed for us as a winning team.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#166 » by RoteSchroder » Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:18 am

Raps in 4 wrote:So many people were mad we didn't take scrubs like Bufkin or Whitmore with our pick, or that a scrub like Walker was off the board when we picked (as if Masai would waste a pick on him). Masai is in his own league when it comes to the draft. People need to stop doubting him. I thought we learned that after the 2021 draft.


Never understood immediately hating on a prospect we draft and not giving them a chance to develop or even play one game. Same thing with your take on Bufkin, Whitmore, Walker..just let these kids develop.

Going back and examining the general sentiment:

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2302191
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2301027&start=920

Mad:
srhcan
AbC?
DG88
PhilJackson
KL78192020
Ari_Emanuel
Rapsfan07
SurgeIblocka
UnbelievablyRAW
bboyskinnylegs
Airmiess
T-d0t
HKBOY
Swag
Syd-TK3
artsncrafts
WetLikeWater

Not mad:
Yeezus_
djsunyc
mtcan
Los_29
REJECTEDBYCLARK
Hansari
Ducksplatt
WuTang_OG
ItsDanger
Basketball_Jones
navyblue
Jim Todd Jr.
StopitLeo
Badonkadonk
KL78192020
nowayguy
tms
bluerap23
Johnny Bball
niQ
Raps in 4
Thaddy
GP2
MadDogSHWA
alienchild
Brinbe
anotherhomer
ForeverTFC
Childs
OAKLEY_2
TorontoBarneys
Jerry Lucas
ontnut
Mister Ze
will
lolekszmolek
TGM
Got Nuffin
LoveMyRaps
Anticon
Dino-Might
JPriest
SFour
causal_fan
Boogie!
Raps Next GM
tripa
Vorticity
I_Like_Dirt
disoblige
Mattatron
OakleyDokely
BBS22
dohboy_24
mrsocko
mrdressup
vulture
BoyzNTheHood
aminiaturebuddha
Jadoogar
NinjaBro
AndreasLeftCalf
Mr.Raptorsingh
Grew
HumbleRen
Spates
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#167 » by Thaddy » Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:13 am

Gradey should start and be given more pick and roll opportunities. He has a great mid range shot that should be utilized more.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#168 » by microjacklin » Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:47 am

Dick got really good potential to be a scoring machine in today's game style. He's even have some nice feel around the basket base on some of his layup. Hope we can see the potential become true when he is a Raptors!

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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#169 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:22 pm

Imagine ORL took him just as they were supposed to
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#170 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:15 pm

RoteSchroder wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:So many people were mad we didn't take scrubs like Bufkin or Whitmore with our pick, or that a scrub like Walker was off the board when we picked (as if Masai would waste a pick on him). Masai is in his own league when it comes to the draft. People need to stop doubting him. I thought we learned that after the 2021 draft.


Never understood immediately hating on a prospect we draft and not giving them a chance to develop or even play one game. Same thing with your take on Bufkin, Whitmore, Walker..just let these kids develop.

Going back and examining the general sentiment:

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2302191
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2301027&start=920

Mad:
srhcan
AbC?
DG88
PhilJackson
KL78192020
Ari_Emanuel
Rapsfan07
SurgeIblocka
UnbelievablyRAW
bboyskinnylegs
Airmiess
T-d0t
HKBOY
Swag
Syd-TK3
artsncrafts
WetLikeWater

Not mad:
Yeezus_
djsunyc
mtcan
Los_29
REJECTEDBYCLARK
Hansari
Ducksplatt
WuTang_OG
ItsDanger
Basketball_Jones
navyblue
Jim Todd Jr.
StopitLeo
Badonkadonk
KL78192020
nowayguy
tms
bluerap23
Johnny Bball
niQ
Raps in 4
Thaddy
GP2
MadDogSHWA
alienchild
Brinbe
anotherhomer
ForeverTFC
Childs
OAKLEY_2
TorontoBarneys
Jerry Lucas
ontnut
Mister Ze
will
lolekszmolek
TGM
Got Nuffin
LoveMyRaps
Anticon
Dino-Might
JPriest
SFour
causal_fan
Boogie!
Raps Next GM
tripa
Vorticity
I_Like_Dirt
disoblige
Mattatron
OakleyDokely
BBS22
dohboy_24
mrsocko
mrdressup
vulture
BoyzNTheHood
aminiaturebuddha
Jadoogar
NinjaBro
AndreasLeftCalf
Mr.Raptorsingh
Grew
HumbleRen
Spates
changes
OAKLEY_2
PushDaRock
Reeko
tripa
MavCarter
Bruin
canada_dry
Red_Claw
blastttOFF
ArthurVandelay
grant101
Steven1562
_MidNight_


PhilBlackson wrote:I'm f*cking done! LOL

Enjoy this garbage/washed FO. Just terrible. Enjoy White Yuta and Poeltl.


PhilBlackson was mad mad :lol:

And of course, srhcan made that first thread. Most depressed hater I've come across.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#171 » by Psubs » Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:20 pm

Thaddy wrote:Gradey should start and be given more pick and roll opportunities. He has a great mid range shot that should be utilized more.


Let him keep building in the current role and minutes ramping up to the NBA schedule from the 35 or so college games.

Next seaon if move on from Brown and Trent, he can start. Work out and get stronger in the summer! :nod:
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#172 » by Duffman100 » Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:23 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
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RoteSchroder wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:So many people were mad we didn't take scrubs like Bufkin or Whitmore with our pick, or that a scrub like Walker was off the board when we picked (as if Masai would waste a pick on him). Masai is in his own league when it comes to the draft. People need to stop doubting him. I thought we learned that after the 2021 draft.


Never understood immediately hating on a prospect we draft and not giving them a chance to develop or even play one game. Same thing with your take on Bufkin, Whitmore, Walker..just let these kids develop.

Going back and examining the general sentiment:

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2302191
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2301027&start=920

Mad:
srhcan
AbC?
DG88
PhilJackson
KL78192020
Ari_Emanuel
Rapsfan07
SurgeIblocka
UnbelievablyRAW
bboyskinnylegs
Airmiess
T-d0t
HKBOY
Swag
Syd-TK3
artsncrafts
WetLikeWater

Not mad:
Yeezus_
djsunyc
mtcan
Los_29
REJECTEDBYCLARK
Hansari
Ducksplatt
WuTang_OG
ItsDanger
Basketball_Jones
navyblue
Jim Todd Jr.
StopitLeo
Badonkadonk
KL78192020
nowayguy
tms
bluerap23
Johnny Bball
niQ
Raps in 4
Thaddy
GP2
MadDogSHWA
alienchild
Brinbe
anotherhomer
ForeverTFC
Childs
OAKLEY_2
TorontoBarneys
Jerry Lucas
ontnut
Mister Ze
will
lolekszmolek
TGM
Got Nuffin
LoveMyRaps
Anticon
Dino-Might
JPriest
SFour
causal_fan
Boogie!
Raps Next GM
tripa
Vorticity
I_Like_Dirt
disoblige
Mattatron
OakleyDokely
BBS22
dohboy_24
mrsocko
mrdressup
vulture
BoyzNTheHood
aminiaturebuddha
Jadoogar
NinjaBro
AndreasLeftCalf
Mr.Raptorsingh
Grew
HumbleRen
Spates
changes
OAKLEY_2
PushDaRock
Reeko
tripa
MavCarter
Bruin
canada_dry
Red_Claw
blastttOFF
ArthurVandelay
grant101
Steven1562
_MidNight_


PhilBlackson wrote:I'm f*cking done! LOL

Enjoy this garbage/washed FO. Just terrible. Enjoy White Yuta and Poeltl.


PhilBlackson was mad mad :lol:

And of course, srhcan made that first thread. Most depressed hater I've come across.


KL78192020 was both mad and not mad :lol:
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#173 » by billy_hoyle » Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:26 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Imagine ORL took him just as they were supposed to


How shocking was that eh?

Who do we have if Dick goes 1 before?

Is it Cam? Keyonte?

I like both those players, so not a disaster IMO.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#174 » by ArthurVandelay » Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:31 pm

billy_hoyle wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Imagine ORL took him just as they were supposed to


How shocking was that eh?

Who do we have if Dick goes 1 before?

Is it Cam? Keyonte?

I like both those players, so not a disaster IMO.


Probably would have been Bufkin. Like Dick, he was in for a second workout.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#175 » by tecumseh18 » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:10 pm

agkagk wrote:
Like im biased to the point of being blatantly racist by how hesitant i am to believe my eyes— i think this kid might be just below the absolute elite in terms of nba level athleticism

Straight up, if he was black I’d be screaming it from the rooftops, but for now I’m reserving judgment until he fills out and strong enough to absorb contact



Aren't most of us racist in that sense? Especially against white American players. Obviously white Europeans (and Argentinians) have long since proven themselves.

I love the story where Larry Bird was apparently insulted when a white guy was sent out to guard him. Speaking of Larry, I did say on this board a year ago that Gradey had Larry-lite potential. Even early on, I could see Gradey consistently made an impact out there, and used his size well on both ends of the court.

And Larry turned 23 in his rookie season. Gradey turned 20. Just sayin'.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#176 » by aminiaturebuddha » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:32 pm

The guy I once compared Gradey to as a "best possible outcome" comparison is Chris Mullin. I highly doubt that Gradey will be named to 4 All-NBA Teams over the course of his career, but aside from Mullin being a lefty, I see a bunch of similarities.

Both have games that are driven by their shooting, but then have the ability to take guys off the dribble and get to the hoop, or pull up for a mid-range jumper. Mullin was also an underrated passer. And on defence Mullin wasn't a great defender, but could be disruptive because he had quick hands, and good anticipation getting into passing lanes.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#177 » by ForeverTFC » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:34 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:So many people were mad we didn't take scrubs like Bufkin or Whitmore with our pick, or that a scrub like Walker was off the board when we picked (as if Masai would waste a pick on him). Masai is in his own league when it comes to the draft. People need to stop doubting him. I thought we learned that after the 2021 draft.


Cason Wallace is going to be very good I think. I'm not sure Masai passes on him.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#178 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:41 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
billy_hoyle wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Imagine ORL took him just as they were supposed to


How shocking was that eh?

Who do we have if Dick goes 1 before?

Is it Cam? Keyonte?

I like both those players, so not a disaster IMO.


Probably would have been Bufkin. Like Dick, he was in for a second workout.


I think our top list (for guys around 13) were

1) Cason
2) Gradey
3) Bufkin

Either way that 2023 draft is looking good so far. Lots of solid role players, maybe a few stars and a generational
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#179 » by ItsDanger » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:42 pm

Whitmore is a scrub? LOL
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3 

Post#180 » by Psubs » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:46 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:So many people were mad we didn't take scrubs like Bufkin or Whitmore with our pick, or that a scrub like Walker was off the board when we picked (as if Masai would waste a pick on him). Masai is in his own league when it comes to the draft. People need to stop doubting him. I thought we learned that after the 2021 draft.


Cason Wallace is going to be very good I think. I'm not sure Masai passes on him.


Yup, looks like the Jrue comp is on track.

The Reggie Miller comp for Gradey is on track. 8-) Reggie with decent defense! 8-) 8-)
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