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Post#1641 » by HadAnEffectHere » Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:03 pm

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HadAnEffectHere wrote:Sarr finished his season shooting 27.6% from three.

......................................... Not a fan of that number.


Evan Mobley is a career 25% shooter from three. What's your point? With both Mobley and Sarr it's on low volume and small sample sizes. It's just not party of most centers repertoires tbh. There's only a handful in the NBA that shoot at a good clip on volume. Nobody is saying Sarr is an elite prospect that would go #1 in most drafts. But he's in that next class, with the likes of Evan Mobley. Guys that will be well above average starters and difference makers. He's still just 18 y/o


Evan Mobley has been a massive disappointment in the NBA and is yet to be a valuable player because he can't shoot so IDK.

Sarr is just Nic Claxton if he can't shoot. Is Nic Claxton a slamdunk #1 pick guy.
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Post#1642 » by JMAC3 » Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:46 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Sarr finished his season shooting 27.6% from three.

......................................... Not a fan of that number.


Evan Mobley is a career 25% shooter from three. What's your point? With both Mobley and Sarr it's on low volume and small sample sizes. It's just not party of most centers repertoires tbh. There's only a handful in the NBA that shoot at a good clip on volume. Nobody is saying Sarr is an elite prospect that would go #1 in most drafts. But he's in that next class, with the likes of Evan Mobley. Guys that will be well above average starters and difference makers. He's still just 18 y/o


Evan Mobley has been a massive disappointment in the NBA and is yet to be a valuable player because he can't shoot so IDK.

Sarr is just Nic Claxton if he can't shoot. Is Nic Claxton a slamdunk #1 pick guy.


Mobley has been a top 10 defensive player and is above average on offense, idk if that is a massive disappointment.
If Sarr was going to reach that level in this draft class he would be the #1 pick 9/10 times.
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Post#1643 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:39 pm

Mobley has only been a dissapointment in terms of his shot developing. He is a fantastic defender, willing passer and smart player overall.

Had he developed (Or if he does) a shot he would be a Top-5 young NBA player - as it stands he is just Top-20. Thats still nowhere near a dissapointment.
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Post#1644 » by FarBeyondDriven » Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:43 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Sarr finished his season shooting 27.6% from three.

......................................... Not a fan of that number.


Evan Mobley is a career 25% shooter from three. What's your point? With both Mobley and Sarr it's on low volume and small sample sizes. It's just not party of most centers repertoires tbh. There's only a handful in the NBA that shoot at a good clip on volume. Nobody is saying Sarr is an elite prospect that would go #1 in most drafts. But he's in that next class, with the likes of Evan Mobley. Guys that will be well above average starters and difference makers. He's still just 18 y/o


Evan Mobley has been a massive disappointment in the NBA and is yet to be a valuable player because he can't shoot so IDK.

Sarr is just Nic Claxton if he can't shoot. Is Nic Claxton a slamdunk #1 pick guy.


the 21 y/o who finished 2nd in the Rookie of the Year voting, made first team all-defense and was 3rd in DPOY voting last season and helped to lead the Cavs to the playoffs, has "yet to be a valuable player"? Mobley has been exactly what I thought he'd be. It's not his fault that people labeled him as an elite prospect when he wasn't. Has he been a disappointment? Maybe for those people.
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Post#1645 » by HadAnEffectHere » Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:49 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:
Evan Mobley is a career 25% shooter from three. What's your point? With both Mobley and Sarr it's on low volume and small sample sizes. It's just not party of most centers repertoires tbh. There's only a handful in the NBA that shoot at a good clip on volume. Nobody is saying Sarr is an elite prospect that would go #1 in most drafts. But he's in that next class, with the likes of Evan Mobley. Guys that will be well above average starters and difference makers. He's still just 18 y/o


Evan Mobley has been a massive disappointment in the NBA and is yet to be a valuable player because he can't shoot so IDK.

Sarr is just Nic Claxton if he can't shoot. Is Nic Claxton a slamdunk #1 pick guy.


Mobley has been a top 10 defensive player and is above average on offense, idk if that is a massive disappointment.
If Sarr was going to reach that level in this draft class he would be the #1 pick 9/10 times.


Mobley is not a top 25 PF in the NBA on offense and he suffocates the Cavs' spacing. He was the reason they got nuked last year by the Knicks.

Eventually he'll be good when he can bulk up to 240 pounds and play center, but this is taking forever.

Sarr's ceiling is lower than Mobley as well because Sarr is much worse at passing and ball handling.

A taller Evan Mobley who bulks up to 240 pounds but is worse at dribbling and passing is... Nic Claxton.

Who like... Nic Claxton isn't a very anticipated free agent at all? He'll probably get like 3/75? ... He's not viewed as very valuable in the NBA.

No one's like "oh man, team X is clearing out cap space for Nic Claxton, he's target #1"

Paul George is probably completely washed up and he's still viewed as a massively more valuable free agent.
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Post#1646 » by babyjax13 » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:56 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Sarr finished his season shooting 27.6% from three.

......................................... Not a fan of that number.


Evan Mobley is a career 25% shooter from three. What's your point? With both Mobley and Sarr it's on low volume and small sample sizes. It's just not party of most centers repertoires tbh. There's only a handful in the NBA that shoot at a good clip on volume. Nobody is saying Sarr is an elite prospect that would go #1 in most drafts. But he's in that next class, with the likes of Evan Mobley. Guys that will be well above average starters and difference makers. He's still just 18 y/o


Evan Mobley has been a massive disappointment in the NBA and is yet to be a valuable player because he can't shoot so IDK.

Sarr is just Nic Claxton if he can't shoot. Is Nic Claxton a slamdunk #1 pick guy.

Claxton certainly wouldn't be what you'd hope for #1, but if that is your estimation of Sarr's floor I think several teams should put him at #1 on their board and call it a day. This draft is going to have value in places, but it might not be the lottery. If you can walk away with a gtd. starting caliber guy there is a chance that you've gotten one of the 10 most valuable guys in the draft.
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Post#1647 » by FarBeyondDriven » Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:11 am

Jon Scheyer is not a good coach. He's clearly a great recruiter though and when he gets a massive talent edge over everyone he'll win and we'll have to hear about how good a coach he is. Probably next year with Flagg. But man, losing 9 games with this roster is pretty incredible. I know they miss Caleb Foster and his defense but still. I feel like coaches have to stop rewarding guys like Roach and Ellis when they return because they not only get in the way of giving the OAD minutes but they hurt winning. Both are just terrible defenders and instead of relegating them to bench units they're rewarded out of loyalty with starter minutes. I've never seen it work out.

USC has to fire their coach. What a disastrous season for that program. Collier was throwing a fit it was so bad. Not that he has anyone else to blame. In a two minute stretch he twice failed to box out and let his guy slip past him for an offensive rebound put back. Two huge buckets too and that's when they game got out of hand. He's falling on my board. I'd need to see him dominate at the combine and measure very well to put him in the top 10 at this point.
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Post#1648 » by coutournant » Fri Mar 15, 2024 12:16 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Sarr finished his season shooting 27.6% from three.

......................................... Not a fan of that number.


Evan Mobley is a career 25% shooter from three. What's your point? With both Mobley and Sarr it's on low volume and small sample sizes. It's just not party of most centers repertoires tbh. There's only a handful in the NBA that shoot at a good clip on volume. Nobody is saying Sarr is an elite prospect that would go #1 in most drafts. But he's in that next class, with the likes of Evan Mobley. Guys that will be well above average starters and difference makers. He's still just 18 y/o


Evan Mobley has been a massive disappointment in the NBA and is yet to be a valuable player because he can't shoot so IDK.

Sarr is just Nic Claxton if he can't shoot. Is Nic Claxton a slamdunk #1 pick guy.


:lol:

- NBA All-Defensive First Team in 2023.
- NBA All-Rookie First Team in 2022.

What a bust ! :lol: :banghead:
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Post#1649 » by CptCrunch » Fri Mar 15, 2024 12:38 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:Jon Scheyer is not a good coach. He's clearly a great recruiter though and when he gets a massive talent edge over everyone he'll win and we'll have to hear about how good a coach he is. Probably next year with Flagg. But man, losing 9 games with this roster is pretty incredible. I know they miss Caleb Foster and his defense but still. I feel like coaches have to stop rewarding guys like Roach and Ellis when they return because they not only get in the way of giving the OAD minutes but they hurt winning. Both are just terrible defenders and instead of relegating them to bench units they're rewarded out of loyalty with starter minutes. I've never seen it work out.

USC has to fire their coach. What a disastrous season for that program. Collier was throwing a fit it was so bad. Not that he has anyone else to blame. In a two minute stretch he twice failed to box out and let his guy slip past him for an offensive rebound put back. Two huge buckets too and that's when they game got out of hand. He's falling on my board. I'd need to see him dominate at the combine and measure very well to put him in the top 10 at this point.


Coach K was also very suspect late in his career. Brad Stevens need to go to Duke.
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Post#1650 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri Mar 15, 2024 1:14 pm

coutournant wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:
Evan Mobley is a career 25% shooter from three. What's your point? With both Mobley and Sarr it's on low volume and small sample sizes. It's just not party of most centers repertoires tbh. There's only a handful in the NBA that shoot at a good clip on volume. Nobody is saying Sarr is an elite prospect that would go #1 in most drafts. But he's in that next class, with the likes of Evan Mobley. Guys that will be well above average starters and difference makers. He's still just 18 y/o


Evan Mobley has been a massive disappointment in the NBA and is yet to be a valuable player because he can't shoot so IDK.

Sarr is just Nic Claxton if he can't shoot. Is Nic Claxton a slamdunk #1 pick guy.


:lol:

- NBA All-Defensive First Team in 2023.
- NBA All-Rookie First Team in 2022.

What a bust ! :lol: :banghead:


He's not a valuable player to a good team until he can actually play center, sorry.

And it seems like it will take him until year 7 to bulk up to that level.
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Post#1651 » by Chuck Everett » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:13 pm

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FarBeyondDriven wrote:Jon Scheyer is not a good coach. He's clearly a great recruiter though and when he gets a massive talent edge over everyone he'll win and we'll have to hear about how good a coach he is. Probably next year with Flagg. But man, losing 9 games with this roster is pretty incredible. I know they miss Caleb Foster and his defense but still. I feel like coaches have to stop rewarding guys like Roach and Ellis when they return because they not only get in the way of giving the OAD minutes but they hurt winning. Both are just terrible defenders and instead of relegating them to bench units they're rewarded out of loyalty with starter minutes. I've never seen it work out.

USC has to fire their coach. What a disastrous season for that program. Collier was throwing a fit it was so bad. Not that he has anyone else to blame. In a two minute stretch he twice failed to box out and let his guy slip past him for an offensive rebound put back. Two huge buckets too and that's when they game got out of hand. He's falling on my board. I'd need to see him dominate at the combine and measure very well to put him in the top 10 at this point.


Coach K was also very suspect late in his career. Brad Stevens need to go to Duke.


Stevens is not leaving a cushy job leading the front office of Boston to coach college kids. That time has passed. Especially because he's showing himself to be an excellent executive.
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Post#1652 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:02 am

Chuck Everett wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:Jon Scheyer is not a good coach. He's clearly a great recruiter though and when he gets a massive talent edge over everyone he'll win and we'll have to hear about how good a coach he is. Probably next year with Flagg. But man, losing 9 games with this roster is pretty incredible. I know they miss Caleb Foster and his defense but still. I feel like coaches have to stop rewarding guys like Roach and Ellis when they return because they not only get in the way of giving the OAD minutes but they hurt winning. Both are just terrible defenders and instead of relegating them to bench units they're rewarded out of loyalty with starter minutes. I've never seen it work out.

USC has to fire their coach. What a disastrous season for that program. Collier was throwing a fit it was so bad. Not that he has anyone else to blame. In a two minute stretch he twice failed to box out and let his guy slip past him for an offensive rebound put back. Two huge buckets too and that's when they game got out of hand. He's falling on my board. I'd need to see him dominate at the combine and measure very well to put him in the top 10 at this point.


Coach K was also very suspect late in his career. Brad Stevens need to go to Duke.


Stevens is not leaving a cushy job leading the front office of Boston to coach college kids. That time has passed. Especially because he's showing himself to be an excellent executive.


yeah, you don't go from arguably one of the best jobs in the NBA to coaching college basketball. Wasn't he burned out from coaching? And felt that his skillset and personality is best as an executive?
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Post#1653 » by Chuck Everett » Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:53 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:
Coach K was also very suspect late in his career. Brad Stevens need to go to Duke.


Stevens is not leaving a cushy job leading the front office of Boston to coach college kids. That time has passed. Especially because he's showing himself to be an excellent executive.


yeah, you don't go from arguably one of the best jobs in the NBA to coaching college basketball. Wasn't he burned out from coaching? And felt that his skillset and personality is best as an executive?


That's what he said. I think he also understands that you need a player's coach for longevity at the pro level. I don't think he liked recruiting at the college level either. In the NBA, it's more streamlined in terms of finding/putting together rosters. He would hate NIL and having to deal with player's families at that level.

And lastly, the Celtics are paying him (7+ million) very well. He could easily end up becoming their Sam Presti (don't want to say Red Auerbach/Sam Presti because that's a lofty goal). The ownership loves him.
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Post#1654 » by Chuck Everett » Sat Mar 16, 2024 3:52 am

So some of the players I mentioned earlier this year: Jamal Shead (Houston), Walter Clayton Jr. (Florida) and Jamir Watkins (Florida State) have all been prettay, prettay good this season and in their conference tournaments. Glad to see them performing well when it matters most.
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Post#1655 » by Chi town » Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:27 am

Cody Williams playing like he’s undraftable.
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Post#1656 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:34 am

Chi town wrote:Cody Williams playing like he’s undraftable.

:lol:

This draft is sad man. All these prospects honestly look like high end role players at best. I don't see any potential star from this draft.
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Post#1657 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:33 am

Cody Williams should go back to school.

Athletically, he's nowhere close.
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Post#1658 » by King Ken » Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:03 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Cody Williams should go back to school.

Athletically, he's nowhere close.

He needs to put on major weight and I am not sure how possible that is
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Post#1659 » by NYPiston » Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:19 pm

Chi town wrote:Cody Williams playing like he’s undraftable.


He's the definition of "mid". I have no idea what anybody sees in him that would make him a top 5 prospect even in a generationally bad draft such as this one. Colorado didn't even have him on the court in crunch time.
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Post#1660 » by BigGargamel » Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:50 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Cody Williams should go back to school.

Athletically, he's nowhere close.


I don't think he even wants to be in college. Sat out half his games and just looks like he wants no part of it when he actually does play.

This freshman class is the worst I've seen maybe ever. I keep on laughing when people put Sheppard #1 when it comes to college prospects, but every time I want to disagree, I look at the rest of the field and I can't.

Sarr, Risacher, Holland, Buzelis, Salaun, Topic. I'm just taking one of those guys and crossing my fingers. This NCAA group can kick rocks.

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