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Re: The (way too early) 2024 Draft thread. Woo! Tanking! 

Post#1201 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Apr 6, 2024 12:50 am

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popper wrote:Knecht might have the highest floor IMO. Move him to 2 and continue playing Poole at 1 (hoping that he might become tradable in the future). I think Knecht is almost guaranteed to average 20 ppg beginning in year 2.

He may have a high floor, but his ceiling is low because he will never be a plus defender. He might pan out as a starter, but the kind of starter that will get picked on in a playoff matchup. I'm not drafting the next Buddy Hield/Wally Szczerbiak with a top 5 pick.

Is he really any better than Kispert? Kispert is bigger, taller and posted much more efficient shooting numbers on slightly lower volume.


Plus he's 23.
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Re: The (way too early) 2024 Draft thread. Woo! Tanking! 

Post#1202 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Apr 6, 2024 1:20 am

Dat2U wrote:Hi everyone.

This is probably the worst group of prospects I've scouted in my realgm history, lol. Of course, its the first year the Wizards commit to tanking.

The draft has maybe 20 1st rounders in it. It's legitimately missing a top 5. Sarr goes 6th in last year's draft.

Alex Sarr = Dereck Lively II with flashes of a jumper

Zaccharie Risacher = Otto Porter Jr. Long two-way 3 & D wing who may lack the aggressiveness to do more

Matas Buzelis = you want to see him shoot better to unlock his skillset. What position does he defend?

Nikola Topic = mystery of the draft. I don't buy the jumper so that dims his prospects a bit in my eyes. Teams will dare him to shoot until he proves otherwise. Still a young 6-7 guard with elite feel and a high skill level is potentially worth a look. I do like his aggressiveness/recklessness in attacking the basket. Arguably a prospect than Josh Giddey.

Reed Sheppard = can he run the point? His value takes a hit being an SG. Not a guy that strings together moves or shows creativity. Everything is functional and advanced level decision making. Good straight line speed and excellent shooter. Will be targeted on ball but will be elite off ball defensively. Likely will need an adjustment period. Fred VanVleet like?

Rob Dillingham = He's the only guy other than Sarr that will pop on screen. Sarr for his athleticism and Rob with his advanced Jamal Crawford+ kit already pre-installed. Rob's feel for the game and scoring instincts are elite but he's also excellent at leveraging the defense's attention towards him to find the open man. He's probably my favorite prospect in the draft. His main concern is getting stronger so he isn't a total sieve defensively.

Donovan Clingan = Walker Kessler ish. Ivica Zubac are the type of names I'd throw out. He's considered a top 5 pick in some corners of the net. Yikes! Questionable hands. Slow change of direction. Bad ft shooter. Not my cup of tea as a prospect.

Dalton Knecht = Corey Kispert the true SF version. Good frame. Solid skill level = more than a 2-dribble guy. Can operate in P&Rs.

Cody Williams = You wonder how much injury played into his late season struggles. Skillset is a bit raw but he fit the 3&D role well for Colorado for the bulk of the season. Long limbed but smooth he does flash some Jalen Williams like traits athletically. Very much a projection on what he could become. Really could use another year to expand his role offensively.

Isaiah Collier = erratic decision maker with a high skill level who gives me Kevin Porter Jr vibes. May slip enough to where he looks like a steal. Not a PG IMO bit athletic enough to create mismatches with his speed and frame.

JaKobe Walter = Vassell is probably his high end. Not smooth or polished on the ball. Another guy that needed another year.

Ron Holland = i see an unpolished skillset combined with wild decision making going beyond what he can do. Michael Pietrus comes to mind. You pray he becomes Josh Howard before his injury if he puts the work in. Can dribble a little. Good athlete, more of a 2/3 than a 3/4 based on his size.

Stephon Castle = Troy Brown Jr with a motor and a bigger frame. A do it all master of nothing. Another guy where his shooting development makes or brakes him. Does not have elite feel as a PG but is functional. Does not have the quick processor of Anthony Black. Dyson Daniels?

Jared McCain = Best 3 pt shooter in the draft.

Tristan de Silva = 2nd coming of Kyle Kuzma

Zach Edey = will be very productive but he got away with not moving his feet defensively in college to avoid fouls because he was so vital offensively. Will not have that luxury in the pros. Will get benched if he does that in the league.

Tyler Kolek, Carlton Carrington & DaRon Holmes are guys I like later in the draft.



Tidjane Salaun ?? Am I the only one that likes this guy? Could have the highest upside in this draft IMO. Definitely strikes me as a Winger/Dawkins type. I have him as high as anyone in this draft based on upside. I also think I rate Cody Williams higher than most, he's probably #2 for me.








I am a!so curious about Collier. Not with our top pick, but possibly later? Opinions seem all over on him, some mocks he's early 1st and some late 1st. What I've seen, he does remind me a bit of Arenas the way he penetrates and finishes through contact, and strokes it from 3. He's not as explosive as Gil, but he's also bigger and stronger.

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Isaiah Collier PG – USC – HT: 6-4 – WT: 210 – WING: NA – Fr – Collier had an up and down season for the Trojans, missing time with an injury and showing some limitations as a shooter. He’s a powerful driver and a skilled passer who’s best basketball is ahead of him but he might not be that elite PG prospect we thought he was. Comp: bulky Stephon Marbury.

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A true point guard with a good size, a strong frame and plays with great pace and balance. Collier is a floor general who knows how to run the show. He’s a great passer and instinctual play-maker who makes his teammates better.
He can also get his own offense and take over games when needed.
Brings a lot of leadership and confidence and is like a coach on the floor.
Excels at running the pick and role. Has a remarkable feel for the game and is incredibly crafty with the ball, although can be too turnover prone and needs to make more consistently smart decisions with the ball.
Isn’t the most explosive player or above-the-rim athlete. Relies on his size/bulk, which might not be as easy at the NBA level.
Suffered a broken hand midway through his freshman season at USC.
A likely one and done player



I prefer Carrington more as a prospect he's higher for me, but I am somewhat intrigued by Collier.
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Re: The (way too early) 2024 Draft thread. Woo! Tanking! 

Post#1203 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Apr 6, 2024 1:31 am

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NatP4 wrote:Kinda funny that Clingan and Sarr shot the same % from 3 this year but one has shooting potential and the other has none.

Sarr is a 70.7% FT shooter as an 18-year-old. Clingan is a 57.4% FT shooter as a 19-year-old.

Also, the number of 3PA's matter. Sarr is (perhaps unwisely) launching 3.9 3PA's per 36. You can't get up that quantity of shots unless you're shooting them while being somewhat rushed with defenders nearby. Some of those attempts are a higher degree of difficulty shot. Clingan averages just 0.3 3PA's per 36 - so basically he is only shooting when teams leave him 10 feet of space and he can take his time. It's basically a practice shot. Finally, the sample size for Clingan is so small that's its worthless. He has shot 7 total 3PA's, making 2.

I don't know if Sarr will ever be a good shooter, but it's possible. His shot isn't broken, and his FT% and 3P% for a guy his age and size aren't screaming that it's NOT possible. With Clingan, he has shown no reason whatsoever to believe he can shoot.


Also the Euro 3pt line is longer than college.
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Post#1204 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Apr 6, 2024 1:10 pm

What is intriguing to me about Sarr is how he could potentially fit with Vukcevic. If we think Vuk is a long-term starting Center, Sarr could be the perfect pairing with him at the 4. Sarr with his versatile defense and rim running offense with Vuks passing and shooting skills could make for a nice combination.
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Post#1205 » by closg00 » Sat Apr 6, 2024 2:29 pm

NatP4 wrote:Point guard position is loaded in this draft:

1. Castle
2. Topic
3. Sheppard

4. KJ Simpson
5. Devin Carter
6. Tamin Lipsey
thee
7. Juan Nunez
8. Caleb Love
9. Rob Dillingham
10. Tyler Kolek
11. Reece Beekman


For all the poo thrown at this draft class, I would be pleased to grab one of the top PG's on the board if we don't land Sarr.
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Post#1206 » by nate33 » Sat Apr 6, 2024 2:59 pm

closg00 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Point guard position is loaded in this draft:

1. Castle
2. Topic
3. Sheppard

4. KJ Simpson
5. Devin Carter
6. Tamin Lipsey
thee
7. Juan Nunez
8. Caleb Love
9. Rob Dillingham
10. Tyler Kolek
11. Reece Beekman


For all the poo thrown at this draft class, I would be pleased to grab one of the top PG's on the board if we don't land Sarr.

I think PG is no longer a necessary position in the NBA. Yeah, if you have a good one, you can play him. I'm not saying it can't work. But we are seeing more and more teams just play one ball-handling scorer at the nominal "point guard" position and then supporting him with big wings who can pass and make plays. That's what the Knicks do with Brunson, OKC does it with SGA, the Lakers with Russell, the Nuggets with Murray, Miami with Herro, etc. Some teams like Orlando don't have a ball-handling scorer/playmaker in the backcourt at all.

Interestingly, the Wizards actually have the personnel at wing to get away without a pure PG. Both Avdija and Kuzma can share playmaking abilities with our backcourt scorer. And Poole is showing that, offensively at least, he is an adequate PG who can set up his teammates.

I don't know exactly what it means for our draft. But I find it ironic and #soWizards that the strength of this draft is in a position that we may be well-suited to do without.
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Post#1207 » by Dat2U » Sat Apr 6, 2024 3:55 pm

I guess another comparable to Castle is Jalen Suggs who eventually found a role as a 4th option/peremeter stopper once he moved off the ball and improved his shooting.

I'm just weary of guards with his draft profile.
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Post#1208 » by payitforward » Sat Apr 6, 2024 4:09 pm

DCZards wrote:...I also like ... Brandon Ingram as a second round pick for the Zards.

I've never been as big a fan of Brandon Ingram as many people are, but for sure I'd love him in R2 this year! :D
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Post#1209 » by NatP4 » Sat Apr 6, 2024 6:00 pm

closg00 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Point guard position is loaded in this draft:

1. Castle
2. Topic
3. Sheppard

4. KJ Simpson
5. Devin Carter
6. Tamin Lipsey
thee
7. Juan Nunez
8. Caleb Love
9. Rob Dillingham
10. Tyler Kolek
11. Reece Beekman


For all the poo thrown at this draft class, I would be pleased to grab one of the top PG's on the board if we don't land Sarr.


Posted that a long time ago, but I think the point still stands. Tons of NBA PGs in the draft. Probably go something like this now:

1. Topic (best player in draft IMO)
2. Sheppard

3. Castle (has tier 1 upside, just a lot of ?s)
4. Simpson (Jalen Brunson of this draft)
5. Kolek (going to be really good)
6. Carter
7. Dillingham
8. Carter
9. Nunez
(Above tier 2 is just loaded)

10. Shead
11. Newton
12. Lipsey
13. Love
14. Beekman
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Post#1210 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Apr 6, 2024 6:11 pm

NatP4 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Point guard position is loaded in this draft:

1. Castle
2. Topic
3. Sheppard

4. KJ Simpson
5. Devin Carter
6. Tamin Lipsey
thee
7. Juan Nunez
8. Caleb Love
9. Rob Dillingham
10. Tyler Kolek
11. Reece Beekman


For all the poo thrown at this draft class, I would be pleased to grab one of the top PG's on the board if we don't land Sarr.


Posted that a long time ago, but I think the point still stands. Tons of NBA PGs in the draft. Probably go something like this now:

1. Topic (best player in draft IMO)
2. Sheppard

3. Castle (has tier 1 upside, just a lot of ?s)
4. Simpson (Jalen Brunson of this draft)
5. Kolek (going to be really good)
6. Carter
7. Dillingham
8. Carter
9. Nunez
(Above tier 2 is just loaded)

10. Shead
11. Newton
12. Lipsey
13. Love
14. Beekman



Carrington and Collier ??
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Post#1211 » by NatP4 » Sat Apr 6, 2024 6:19 pm

Carrington is going back to school. You’re right forgot Collier, but I’m not a fan. Probably at the bottom of that tier 2.
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Post#1212 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Apr 6, 2024 6:23 pm

NatP4 wrote:Carrington is going back to school. You’re right forgot Collier, but I’m not a fan. Probably at the bottom of that tier 2.


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Post#1213 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Apr 6, 2024 8:02 pm

I admit I have a built in bias/downgrade when it come to prospects from the Ignite, but I am somewhat intrigued by Holland, especially if he shows improved shooting in workouts and at the combine. I just love high motor guys. Add in elite athleticism and I'm easily hooked. I am interested in how he measures out, on film he looks small for a 3 and may be more of a 2.





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Post#1214 » by DCZards » Sat Apr 6, 2024 8:36 pm

Collier could be a sleeper in this draft. Already has the physical makeup of an NBA player… is very good at getting downhill and drawing fouls.

Missed almost a month of the season which probably hurt his growth and stock. Still will probably end up being a lottery pick.
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Post#1215 » by Dat2U » Sat Apr 6, 2024 9:52 pm

I haven't quite determined a top 10 yet but I do have a rough outline by position of my top 30 so far. As always, subject to change:

Cs
1. Alex Sarr
2. Kyle Filipowski
3. Zach Edey
4. Kel'el Ware
5. Donovan Clingan
6. DaRon Holmes II
7. Yves Missi

It's a big gap between Sarr and the rest for me. Filipowski & Ware's skillsets will translate. Edey is smart enough to adjust and skilled enough to punish teams for going small.

PFs
1. Tristan de Silva
2. Tyler Smith
3. Bobi Klintman
4. Tidjane Salaun

Very weak group. De Silva feels like a steal late 1st. Just knows how to play. Tyler Smith can fill a role. Salaun just seems so limited outside of shooting.

SFs
1. Zaccharie Risacher
2. Ron Holland
3. Cody Williams
4. Dalton Knecht
5. Matas Buzelis
6. Johnny Furphy

Good year to find a wing with scoring potential. Risacher seems to have a safe floor but how much can he play with the ball in his hands? I was down on Ron early but the weakness of the class pushes him back up. Herky jerky athlete with developing creation skills. Flashed some good moments before getting hurt as a primary scorer. Should settle into a tiertary role in the league as a two way player if he can hit an open 3. Cody is another raw talent but flashed in a 3&D role at Colorado before injuries slowed him down. I compared Kispert to Wally Z ... well Knecht is the actual 2nd coming. Buzelis cannot shoot and unlike Holland - can't create enough separation off the bounce to make life easier. Furphy fits a role as a floor stretcher.

SGs
1. Isaiah Collier
2. Terrence Shannon Jr
3. Ja'Kobe Walker
4. Stephon Castle
5. Jaylon Tyson
6. Kevin McCullar
7. Hunter Salis

Collier is fast, skilled and 6-4. Has gone from overrated to underrated in the mocks. I wish he made better decisions as a PG. I think he's alot like Kevin Porter Jr. I'd try him at the 2. Shannon Jr improved significantly over last year skill wise and he always had top tier athleticism. Tyson is intriguing. McCullar & Salis seem like safe picks as a long term role players.

PGs
1. Nikola Topic
2. Rob Dillingham
3. Reed Sheppard
4. Jared McCain
5. Tyler Kolek
6. Devin Carter

Topic's feel, aggressiveness and size are all ideal. The shooting of course is the biggest question. Dillingham will be a 3-level scorer as he gets stronger. Most skilled player in the draft. Sheppard plays with pace & polish and shoots the lights out. McCain is the best shooter in the draft. Kolek can run an offense with the best of em. Carter could be valuable as a 2nd unit energizer bunny if you buy his shot.
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Post#1216 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Apr 6, 2024 11:36 pm

Ok. This guy is moving up my board. Haven't heard anything about him, and I didn't watch any Miami this year... But I like what I see, 6-8 SG 41% from 3 and the passing and court awareness that I LOVE!

Kyshawn George

NBA DRAFT ROOM: (currently mocked 17)
SG – Miami (Switzerland) – HT: 6-8 – WT: 205 – WING: NA – Fr– A jumbo-sized guard/wing with big time upside ability. He gets where he wants on the court and has shown improved 3pt shooting, hitting over 40% from 3 this year. A standout and versatile defender.

Draft Notes
George is a jumbo-sized guard/wing with awesome physical tools and big time upside. He instantly passes the eye test, not only because of his height but how he moves on the court.

He’s got great handles, good passing vision and the size to see over the defense. And he makes good decisions with the ball, knowing when to move the rock and when to get his shot.

He showed off a really nice outside shot during his freshman season at Miami, hitting an outstanding 41% from 3 on decent volume. This floor spacing ability takes his game to the next level.

George can guard up and down the line-up and does a good job of pressuring the ball, using his size and agility. While he’s not the quickest or most explosive athlete he can stay with smaller guards and uses his size and athleticism well to defend in space.

He’s got a lot of development to do but the sky is the limit for this kid.


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Post#1217 » by popper » Sun Apr 7, 2024 12:15 am

Wow. Tankathon has Edey falling into the second round. Just as he crushed NC States' hopes and dreams. Hard to fathom.
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Post#1218 » by tontoz » Sun Apr 7, 2024 12:39 am

popper wrote:Wow. Tankathon has Edey falling into the second round. Just as he crushed NC States' hopes and dreams. Hard to fathom.


Not hard to fathom at all. Interior D like this doesn't work in the NBA.





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Post#1219 » by NatP4 » Sun Apr 7, 2024 1:21 am

Alabama finding out that you cannot double team Clingan. Dropping dimes

Castle looks like a 5th year senior
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Post#1220 » by tontoz » Sun Apr 7, 2024 1:26 am

That block Clingan made on the first possession is something I've never seen from Edey, covering a lot of ground to contest.
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