Washington - Brooklyn - Dallas - Toronto

[Godaddycurse]

Washington and Brooklyn have TPE’s to play with so think it’s doable to work around

their TPE aren't big enough to absorb Simmons, but doens't matter they can use capspace to do so (have to renounce the TPE's though)

[drchaos]

I still don't understand why you think the Nets would want to give up any assets to trade an expiring Ben Simmons.

It is not like they will be much better next year when they have no picks in this year's draft.

They are better off getting picks for anyone they don't need (like DFS) and building for the future.

You have them basically giving up DFS and his great contract and getting nothing of value in return for no reason.

[nate33]

Don't get this for Brooklyn. If they want to turn Simmons into guard help they could do that without having to do DFS for Brown.

Seems great for Dallas who gets back an old friend for Prosper and for Toronto who trades filler for their value in picks while also getting the potential upside out of Simmons.

For Washington its just how do they view Prosper. That's a fair amount of money to take on, so they need to see something in him. Right idea for them, just don't know how they feel about the player.

Yeah, I know nothing at all about Prosper except that he hasn't managed to see even 300 minutes as a rookie, which is concerning.

I'd lean against this trade unless there was a good reason to believe that Prosper was a worthwhile prospect. And if a good reason existed, I doubt Dallas would make the trade.

[jayjaysee]

Washington and Brooklyn have TPE’s to play with so think it’s doable to work around

their TPE aren't big enough to absorb Simmons, but doens't matter they can use capspace to do so (have to renounce the TPE's though)

I think you could play with the TPE’s and build a deal without Washington renouncing anyone. But guess that’s a minor side note really*

[Apz]

Seems like “stacked” value might be right for Brooklyn to do this. Just think they’d be better off just doing the Toronto part and then trading DFS for a first.

Who can/would trade a 1st for DFS tho? Cant see any clear candidates, but since u seems to think it would be easy u must have some?

I mean, most that would have a use for him are low on picks, and he is soon 31 years with a 8/4/1 season behind him

[drchaos]

Seems like “stacked” value might be right for Brooklyn to do this. Just think they’d be better off just doing the Toronto part and then trading DFS for a first.

Who can/would trade a 1st for DFS tho? Cant see any clear candidates, but since u seems to think it would be easy u must have some?

I mean, most that would have a use for him are low on picks, and he is soon 31 years with a 8/4/1 season behind him

Good player locked up on a very cap friendly contract.

[jayjaysee]

Seems like “stacked” value might be right for Brooklyn to do this. Just think they’d be better off just doing the Toronto part and then trading DFS for a first.

Who can/would trade a 1st for DFS tho? Cant see any clear candidates, but since u seems to think it would be easy u must have some?

I mean, most that would have a use for him are low on picks, and he is soon 31 years with a 8/4/1 season behind him

I don’t really understand using counting stats like that, especially for a player you should be really familiar with.

But.. Dallas (despite having PJ I’d still give up the protected 2025 first) if nothing better..

Presti should trade a first.

Sacramento if they aren’t going for star. DFS is a great fit with Murray/Sabonis. Match without using Barnes and have a nice three forward rotation.. Their fans likely have bigger dreams, but running the team back upgrading Sasha to DFS and banking on Murray as the third star feels realistic.

Cleveland, Miami and Atlanta should trade the 2024 first (Atlanta trading the Sac first) Philly if they don’t go cap space route..

[Apz]

Seems like “stacked” value might be right for Brooklyn to do this. Just think they’d be better off just doing the Toronto part and then trading DFS for a first.

Who can/would trade a 1st for DFS tho? Cant see any clear candidates, but since u seems to think it would be easy u must have some?

I mean, most that would have a use for him are low on picks, and he is soon 31 years with a 8/4/1 season behind him

I don’t really understand using counting stats like that, especially for a player you should be really familiar with.

But.. Dallas (despite having PJ I’d still give up the protected 2025 first) if nothing better..

Presti should trade a first.

Sacramento if they aren’t going for star. DFS is a great fit with Murray/Sabonis. Match without using Barnes and have a nice three forward rotation.. Their fans likely have bigger dreams, but running the team back upgrading Sasha to DFS and banking on Murray as the third star feels realistic.

Cleveland, Miami and Atlanta should trade the 2024 first (Atlanta trading the Sac first) Philly if they don’t go cap space route..

Doubt mavs would be willing to use a 1st, they need that to fill the sf position. Also locked up is a stretch, he got 1 year at 15m after this season, then a player option. So paying a 1st for 1 season of a roleplayer is doubtful

[daoneandonly]

I'd cut Toronto out of this if Washington were interested in Josh Green.

Wiz get Josh Green
Nets get Tyus Jones (S&T)
Mavs get Dorian Finney Smith

Nets get a much needed PG, Mavs get a poa wing defender who Luka has chemistry with, Wiz get younger.

I'd love to see this go down actually. DFS is probably my favorite non Mav so live to have him back. Green is my least favorite player in the league and DC is the city i hate the most, so think the would be a fitting match

[Godaddycurse]

I'd cut Toronto out of this if Washington were interested in Josh Green.

Wiz get Josh Green
Nets get Tyus Jones (S&T)
Mavs get Dorian Finney Smith

Nets get a much needed PG, Mavs get a poa wing defender who Luka has chemistry with, Wiz get younger.

I'd love to see this go down actually. DFS is probably my favorite non Mav so live to have him back. Green is my least favorite player in the league and DC is the city i hate the most, so think the would be a fitting match

Premise is Jones on a bloated 1 yr contract, so Simmons need to be included

[nate33]

Green is my least favorite player in the league and DC is the city i hate the most, so think the would be a fitting match

[jayjaysee]

Who can/would trade a 1st for DFS tho? Cant see any clear candidates, but since u seems to think it would be easy u must have some?

I mean, most that would have a use for him are low on picks, and he is soon 31 years with a 8/4/1 season behind him

I don’t really understand using counting stats like that, especially for a player you should be really familiar with.

But.. Dallas (despite having PJ I’d still give up the protected 2025 first) if nothing better..

Presti should trade a first.

Sacramento if they aren’t going for star. DFS is a great fit with Murray/Sabonis. Match without using Barnes and have a nice three forward rotation.. Their fans likely have bigger dreams, but running the team back upgrading Sasha to DFS and banking on Murray as the third star feels realistic.

Cleveland, Miami and Atlanta should trade the 2024 first (Atlanta trading the Sac first) Philly if they don’t go cap space route..

Doubt mavs would be willing to use a 1st, they need that to fill the sf position. Also locked up is a stretch, he got 1 year at 15m after this season, then a player option. So paying a 1st for 1 season of a roleplayer is doubtful

Didn’t say anything about being locked up.

PJ fills Doedoe now for some I get it. I’d still pay a first for DFS and run three forwards with DJJ/PI, some minutes to go small, small minutes to go big with Maxi, etc.. But I did admit they’d be looking for something better/more. Similar to Sac.

DFS isn’t anyone’s offseason dream. But that seems unnecessary to point out. Just gave you a list of teams that I thought would trade a first for DFS. None of the firsts would have big upside, but they are all real firsts.

[drchaos]

I'd cut Toronto out of this if Washington were interested in Josh Green.

Wiz get Josh Green
Nets get Tyus Jones (S&T)
Mavs get Dorian Finney Smith

Nets get a much needed PG, Mavs get a poa wing defender who Luka has chemistry with, Wiz get younger.

I'd love to see this go down actually. DFS is probably my favorite non Mav so live to have him back. Green is my least favorite player in the league and DC is the city i hate the most, so think the would be a fitting match

Premise is Jones on a bloated 1 yr contract, so Simmons need to be included

If the Nets are can lock up Jones on a longer contract this could be interesting without getting draft picks.

Depending on the contracts for Jones and Nic Claxton Cam Johnson might need to go instead of Simmons if the Nets want to clear cap space for 2025.

[islandboy53]

Washington trade: Jones (S&T 33M/yr 1st yr guaranteed only)
Washington receive: THJ, McDaniels, OMax

Dallas trade: THJ, Omax, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nds
Dallas receive: DFS, Diop

Toronto trade: McDaniels, Boucher, Brown
Toronto receive: Simmons, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nds

Brooklyn trade: Simmons, DFS, Diop
Brooklyn receive: Brown, Boucher, Jones (S&T 33M/yr 1st yr guaranteed only)

Why for Brooklyn: Upgrade guard rotation without touching 2025 capspace plans or their stockpile of picks
Why for Dallas: bring back old friend to fill SF void
Why for Toronto: been rumored to be interested in Simmons at various points in the past. Even if/when simmons dont pan out still get a couple of 2nds for Brown and free up some roster spots to try out young players
Why for Washington: Get a prospect for eating some salary (comp is lowry for dragic/achiuwa)
Why for Jones: $$$

Claxton/Sharpe
Johnson/Boucher
Bridges/
Brown/Thomas
Jones/Schroder

Gafford/Lively
PJ/Kleber
DFS/Green
Irving/Hardy
Doncic/Exum

So, this is an easy ‘no’ for Toronto. Let’s accept that McDaniels and Boucher have no value beyond salary filler, and Brown is only worth 2 x 2nds. The Raptors need some significant compensation if they’re going to take on Simmons, and pay him $40 million to be injured most of the year.

[nate33]

Ultimately, I think the Wizards will do better by just dumping Tyus.

The strategy of absorbing salary in exchange for assets will probably pay off more than the strategy of signing and trading Tyus.

[BeiBeau]

Value blah blah blah and what Mavs fan doesn’t love DFS? But we have PJ as the full time 4. So DFS is clearly coming in to play the 3 but I’m not certain he will consistently out preform Exum/Green/DJJ at the spot on a night to night basis. I don’t want to play starting SF by committee. If Dallas is going to spend assets I’d rather spend more to get a better player than Dorian.

[Colbinii]

Washington trade: Jones (S&T 33M/yr 1st yr guaranteed only)
Washington receive: THJ, McDaniels, OMax

Dallas trade: THJ, Omax, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nds
Dallas receive: DFS, Diop

Toronto trade: McDaniels, Boucher, Brown
Toronto receive: Simmons, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nds

Brooklyn trade: Simmons, DFS, Diop
Brooklyn receive: Brown, Boucher, Jones (S&T 33M/yr 1st yr guaranteed only)

Why for Brooklyn: Upgrade guard rotation without touching 2025 capspace plans or their stockpile of picks
Why for Dallas: bring back old friend to fill SF void
Why for Toronto: been rumored to be interested in Simmons at various points in the past. Even if/when simmons dont pan out still get a couple of 2nds for Brown and free up some roster spots to try out young players
Why for Washington: Get a prospect for eating some salary (comp is lowry for dragic/achiuwa)
Why for Jones: $$$

Claxton/Sharpe
Johnson/Boucher
Bridges/
Brown/Thomas
Jones/Schroder

Gafford/Lively
PJ/Kleber
DFS/Green
Irving/Hardy
Doncic/Exum

So, this is an easy ‘no’ for Toronto. Let’s accept that McDaniels and Boucher have no value beyond salary filler, and Brown is only worth 2 x 2nds. The Raptors need some significant compensation if they’re going to take on Simmons, and pay him $40 million to be injured most of the year.

Huh?

OP has the exact same value as you do. Maybe you are miscalculating something, but I will break it down for you in an easy to grasp format.

McDaniels + Boucher = Salary Filler at 15.5 Million
Bruce Brown = Matching Salary at 23 Million + 2 2nds

Ben Simmons = Salary Filler at 15.5 Million + Matching Salary at 23 Million [His contract is 40.3 Million, which is 1.8 Million MORE than the salary of McDaniels + Boucher + Brown]

Maybe you need 1.8 Million in cash kicked to Toronto, or maybe the fact that Toronto is already getting the "Best of 2nd(s)" should cover than 1.8 Million difference.

Please respond if I am missing something here

[islandboy53]

Washington trade: Jones (S&T 33M/yr 1st yr guaranteed only)
Washington receive: THJ, McDaniels, OMax

Dallas trade: THJ, Omax, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nds
Dallas receive: DFS, Diop

Toronto trade: McDaniels, Boucher, Brown
Toronto receive: Simmons, TOR 2025 2nd, best of DAL 2028 2nds

Brooklyn trade: Simmons, DFS, Diop
Brooklyn receive: Brown, Boucher, Jones (S&T 33M/yr 1st yr guaranteed only)

Why for Brooklyn: Upgrade guard rotation without touching 2025 capspace plans or their stockpile of picks
Why for Dallas: bring back old friend to fill SF void
Why for Toronto: been rumored to be interested in Simmons at various points in the past. Even if/when simmons dont pan out still get a couple of 2nds for Brown and free up some roster spots to try out young players
Why for Washington: Get a prospect for eating some salary (comp is lowry for dragic/achiuwa)
Why for Jones: $$$

Claxton/Sharpe
Johnson/Boucher
Bridges/
Brown/Thomas
Jones/Schroder

Gafford/Lively
PJ/Kleber
DFS/Green
Irving/Hardy
Doncic/Exum

So, this is an easy ‘no’ for Toronto. Let’s accept that McDaniels and Boucher have no value beyond salary filler, and Brown is only worth 2 x 2nds. The Raptors need some significant compensation if they’re going to take on Simmons, and pay him $40 million to be injured most of the year.

Huh?

OP has the exact same value as you do. Maybe you are miscalculating something, but I will break it down for you in an easy to grasp format.

McDaniels + Boucher = Salary Filler at 15.5 Million
Bruce Brown = Matching Salary at 23 Million + 2 2nds

Ben Simmons = Salary Filler at 15.5 Million + Matching Salary at 23 Million [His contract is 40.3 Million, which is 1.8 Million MORE than the salary of McDaniels + Boucher + Brown]

Maybe you need 1.8 Million in cash kicked to Toronto, or maybe the fact that Toronto is already getting the "Best of 2nd(s)" should cover than 1.8 Million difference.

Please respond if I am missing something here

Obviously I wasn’t clear enough. Simmons will spend most/all of the season on the bench. He will be immovable without adding picks. We can create 2 roster spots by waiving McDaniels and Boucher at $15 million versus taking on Simmons. 2 seconds may be enough for Brown, but there is no incentive for Toronto to take on the massive dead weight of Simmons. What draft picks/prospect is Toronto getting to encourage them to do this?