2024 NBA Playoffs - East 1st Round: #2 New York Knicks vs. #7 Philadelphia 76ers (NYK WINS 4-2)

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They can't do that. The 6ers get swept in consecutive blowouts if they shut Embiid down. Even with his tank empty, he gives them a better chance to win than Reed.

until he injures his other knee due to compensation...

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That's one for the medical staff, cause I just have no expertise with knee surgery on professional athletes...if we were talking about cancer research I might have something to contribute but this is just too far out of my wheelhouse So I can't say if his knee at higher risk of re-injury right now, or if his conditioning is just zero because he couldn't run after surgery...like Mitch's was when he first got back on the court.

If they're risking future seasons of Embiid, then that's a totally fair question. But if his knee is at no greater risk of re-injury and the only problems are his lack of conditioning & his lack of trust in the knee. Then it's conceivable that he would get into better shape & start to trust it more, the longer they kept playing...not that I think that would be enough for them to beat Boston/Denver, but if they got past us, IND/MIL is a manageable path to the first ECF of his career

Embiid has been injured every single year for the most part. When you keep doing the same thing over and over you will not get a different result. Compensation is common sense...Respectfully...you dont need a medical staff to advise you. Unless Embiid is
acting and hes not really in pain- it's clear that he should not be playing. The probability goes up when you are playing at the highest level of competition in the world and you are hobbling-that you will pick up another injury.

[cgf]

until he injures his other knee due to compensation...

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That's one for the medical staff, cause I just have no expertise with knee surgery on professional athletes...if we were talking about cancer research I might have something to contribute but this is just too far out of my wheelhouse So I can't say if his knee at higher risk of re-injury right now, or if his conditioning is just zero because he couldn't run after surgery...like Mitch's was when he first got back on the court.

If they're risking future seasons of Embiid, then that's a totally fair question. But if his knee is at no greater risk of re-injury and the only problems are his lack of conditioning & his lack of trust in the knee. Then it's conceivable that he would get into better shape & start to trust it more, the longer they kept playing...not that I think that would be enough for them to beat Boston/Denver, but if they got past us, IND/MIL is a manageable path to the first ECF of his career

Embiid has been injured every single year for the most part. When you keep doing the same thing over and over you will not get a different result. Compensation is common sense...Respectfully...you dont need a medical staff to advise you. Unless Embiid is
acting and hes not really in pain- it's clear that he should not be playing. The probability goes up when you are playing at the highest level of competition in the world and you are hobbling-that you will pick up another injury.

"common sense" tends to make for terrible medicine. Details matter

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Embiid has been injured every single year for the most part. When you keep doing the same thing over and over you will not get a different result. Compensation is common sense...Respectfully...you dont need a medical staff to advise you. Unless Embiid is
acting and hes not really in pain- it's clear that he should not be playing. The probability goes up when you are playing at the highest level of competition in the world and you are hobbling-that you will pick up another injury.

"common sense" tends to make for terrible medicine. Details matter

I disagree...If the world respected common sense more. It wouldnt be in the vicious state its in. The sixers have nothing to gain but
a couple of wins by risking last years MVP-allowing him to play. Period. That is common sense.

Embiid...Shut it down and dont come back to play until you are FULLY healed. Life can be simple if you accept what you can not control.

Good luck to Embidd and all of the Sixers fans- I wish you guys the best...

[Jabroni Lames]

Prediction for Game 3: Sixers get a friendly whistle, Embiid and Maxey combine for 40 FTs and the Sixers win big. The NBA wants this series to go to 7 games.

[cgf]

Embiid has been injured every single year for the most part. When you keep doing the same thing over and over you will not get a different result. Compensation is common sense...Respectfully...you dont need a medical staff to advise you. Unless Embiid is
acting and hes not really in pain- it's clear that he should not be playing. The probability goes up when you are playing at the highest level of competition in the world and you are hobbling-that you will pick up another injury.

"common sense" tends to make for terrible medicine. Details matter

I disagree...If the world respected common sense more. It wouldnt be in the vicious state its in. The sixers have nothing to gain but
a couple of wins by risking last years MVP-allowing him to play. Period. That is common sense.

Embiid...Shut it down and dont come back to play until you are FULLY healed. Life can be simple if except what you can not control.

Good luck to Embidd and all of the Sixers fans- I wish you guys the best...

Politics are one thing, medicine & science are another. Facts & reality matter a lot more in those fields than what seems like should be true / what people assume is or want to be true.

If the reality is that Embiid's knee has fully recovered and the supporting muscles have been rebuilt during his rehab so that the only thing impeding him right now was his lack of cardio and trust in the knee, then it seeming like he's in crippling pain & risking his career to someone who's never examined his knee and has no expertise, doesn't actually matter.

If the reality is that he's not yet fully recovered, as well as not having his cardio or trust in his body back, and they are gambling with 2024-2025 Embiid's season, then they're all morons. But none of us here now what the reality is, so claiming decisively that the 6ers should be doing a or b with Embiid is just baseless speculation.

E:
I get that it would be nice for us if Philly basically just forfeited the rest of the series...and if they are risking Joel's future just to get killed by Boston/Denver, they should just concede the series...but if Joel will only get stronger the more he plays, they have zero reason to do us that solid.

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"common sense" tends to make for terrible medicine. Details matter

I disagree...If the world respected common sense more. It wouldnt be in the vicious state its in. The sixers have nothing to gain but
a couple of wins by risking last years MVP-allowing him to play. Period. That is common sense.

Embiid...Shut it down and dont come back to play until you are FULLY healed. Life can be simple if except what you can not control.

Good luck to Embidd and all of the Sixers fans- I wish you guys the best...

Politics are one thing, medicine & science are another. Facts & reality matter a lot more in those fields than what seems like should be true / what people assume is or want to be true.

If the reality is that Embiid's knee has fully recovered and the supporting muscles have been rebuilt during his rehab so that the only thing impeding him right now was his lack of cardio and trust in the knee, then it seeming like he's in crippling pain & risking his career to someone who's never examined his knee and has no expertise, doesn't actually matter.

If the reality is that he's not yet fully recovered, as well as not having his cardio or trust in his body back, and they are gambling with 2024-2025 Embiid's season, then they're all morons. But none of us here now what the reality is, so claiming decisively that the 6ers should be doing a or b with Embiid is just baseless speculation.

E:
I get that it would be nice for us if Philly basically just forfeited the rest of the series...and if they are risking Joel's future just to get killed by Boston/Denver, they should just concede the series...but if Joel will only get stronger the more he plays, they have zero reason to do us that solid.

Our first game against Philly was played WITH Embiid and we blew them out in Philly...
I'm not implying that they do us a solid. We are the 2nd seed. Philly not only needed a play in to get in but they are the 7th seed. The sixers are down 0-2, Embiid looks the same as he did in game one. His eye has a mind of its own right now. Have you watched any of the games?

I responded to be clear...I dont want a "solid" from Embiid. So far- whether they had Embiid on the floor or not- the regular season and play-off combined record this year is we WON 5 out of the 6 games we played. The sixers need 4 out of the next 6 games to prove they are the better team. They want to leave Embiid out there- go right ahead. If I'm the knicks I would put that pressure on Embiid. If I'm Brunson I'd drive right into Embiid...

[cgf]

I disagree...If the world respected common sense more. It wouldnt be in the vicious state its in. The sixers have nothing to gain but
a couple of wins by risking last years MVP-allowing him to play. Period. That is common sense.

Embiid...Shut it down and dont come back to play until you are FULLY healed. Life can be simple if except what you can not control.

Good luck to Embidd and all of the Sixers fans- I wish you guys the best...

Politics are one thing, medicine & science are another. Facts & reality matter a lot more in those fields than what seems like should be true / what people assume is or want to be true.

If the reality is that Embiid's knee has fully recovered and the supporting muscles have been rebuilt during his rehab so that the only thing impeding him right now was his lack of cardio and trust in the knee, then it seeming like he's in crippling pain & risking his career to someone who's never examined his knee and has no expertise, doesn't actually matter.

If the reality is that he's not yet fully recovered, as well as not having his cardio or trust in his body back, and they are gambling with 2024-2025 Embiid's season, then they're all morons. But none of us here now what the reality is, so claiming decisively that the 6ers should be doing a or b with Embiid is just baseless speculation.

E:
I get that it would be nice for us if Philly basically just forfeited the rest of the series...and if they are risking Joel's future just to get killed by Boston/Denver, they should just concede the series...but if Joel will only get stronger the more he plays, they have zero reason to do us that solid.

Our first game against Philly was played WITH Embiid and we blew them out in Philly...
I'm not implying that they do us a solid. We are the 2nd seed. Philly not only needed a play in to get in but they are the 7th seed. The sixers are down 0-2, Embiid looks the same as he did in game one. His eye has a mind of its own right now. Have you watched any of the games?

I responded to be clear...I dont want a "solid" from Embiid. So far- whether they had Embiid on the floor or not- the regular season and play-off combined record this year is we WON 5 out of the 6 games we played. The sixers need 4 out of the next 6 games to prove they are the better team. They want to leave Embiid out there- go right ahead. If I'm the knicks I would put that pressure on Embiid. If I'm Brunson I'd drive right into Embiid...

My bad for not being clear. I wasn't trying to say we needed Embiid to sit to beat them...or even to put this thing away in less than 6. What I was trying to get at was that without Embiid these games wouldn't even be close and we could rest our guys for the next round. So Joel sitting out games that wouldn't effect his longterm health, would be "doing us a solid" whether it changed the ultimate result of the series or not.

Winning close games is more tiring than winning blowouts that you can empty the bench in, so even if we swept them with Embiid it would've been less taxing to sweep them without him, ya know?

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Politics are one thing, medicine & science are another. Facts & reality matter a lot more in those fields than what seems like should be true / what people assume is or want to be true.

If the reality is that Embiid's knee has fully recovered and the supporting muscles have been rebuilt during his rehab so that the only thing impeding him right now was his lack of cardio and trust in the knee, then it seeming like he's in crippling pain & risking his career to someone who's never examined his knee and has no expertise, doesn't actually matter.

If the reality is that he's not yet fully recovered, as well as not having his cardio or trust in his body back, and they are gambling with 2024-2025 Embiid's season, then they're all morons. But none of us here now what the reality is, so claiming decisively that the 6ers should be doing a or b with Embiid is just baseless speculation.

E:
I get that it would be nice for us if Philly basically just forfeited the rest of the series...and if they are risking Joel's future just to get killed by Boston/Denver, they should just concede the series...but if Joel will only get stronger the more he plays, they have zero reason to do us that solid.

Our first game against Philly was played WITH Embiid and we blew them out in Philly...
I'm not implying that they do us a solid. We are the 2nd seed. Philly not only needed a play in to get in but they are the 7th seed. The sixers are down 0-2, Embiid looks the same as he did in game one. His eye has a mind of its own right now. Have you watched any of the games?

I responded to be clear...I dont want a "solid" from Embiid. So far- whether they had Embiid on the floor or not- the regular season and play-off combined record this year is we WON 5 out of the 6 games we played. The sixers need 4 out of the next 6 games to prove they are the better team. They want to leave Embiid out there- go right ahead. If I'm the knicks I would put that pressure on Embiid. If I'm Brunson I'd drive right into Embiid...

My bad for not being clear. I wasn't trying to say we needed Embiid to sit to beat them...or even to put this thing away in less than 6. What I was trying to get at was that without Embiid these games wouldn't even be close and we could rest our guys for the next round. So Joel sitting out games that wouldn't effect his longterm health, would be "doing us a solid" whether it changed the ultimate result of the series or not.

Winning close games is more tiring than winning blowouts that you can empty the bench in, so even if we swept them with Embiid it would've been less taxing to sweep them without him, ya know?

I guess I should have acknowledged your point about strategy... I get what youre saying...
My point is- how will Embiid or a sixer fan feel- if he suffers another injury? When you have a 1 and 6 chance of beating a team
why risk it all -even if there is a 15% chance of injuring your franchise player? Embiid has a long history of injuries...

Embiid's injury history:

Spoiler:

DATE
INJURY
4/24/24
Knee
4/19/24
Injury Management
4/13/24
Knee
4/11/24
Injury Management
4/7/24
Knee
4/5/24
Knee
4/3/24
Knee
1/30/24
Knee
1/27/24
Knee
1/6/24
Knee
12/24/23
Ankle
12/10/23
Knee
11/29/23
Illness
11/22/23
Hip
11/16/23
Hip
11/15/23
Hip
11/13/23
Hip
10/29/23
Rest
5/10/23
Knee
5/8/23
Knee
5/6/23
Knee
5/4/23
Knee
4/21/23
Knee
4/7/23
Calf
3/26/23
Calf
3/23/23
Calf
3/1/23
Foot
2/14/23
Foot
2/12/23
Foot
2/9/23
Foot
2/7/23
Foot
2/4/23
Foot
2/2/23
Foot
1/31/23
Foot
1/29/23
Foot
1/27/23
Foot
1/21/23
Foot
1/4/23
Foot
11/21/22
Foot
10/30/22
Illness
10/28/22
Knee-Rest
1/31/22
Rest
1/15/22
Elbow
12/18/21
Ankle
12/13/21
Ribs
11/8/21
Health and Safety Protocols
11/1/21
Rest
10/29/21
Right Knee
10/27/21
Knee
10/25/21
Right Knee
10/23/21
Knee
10/21/21
Right Knee
6/19/21
Knee
6/17/21
Knee
6/15/21
Knee
6/13/21
Knee
6/10/21
Knee
6/7/21
Knee
5/31/21
Knee
5/15/21
Illness
5/10/21
Illness
5/8/21
Injury recovery
4/24/21
Shoulder
4/23/21
Shoulder
4/4/21
Rest
3/12/21
Knee
3/9/21
Health and safety protocols
2/28/21
Ankle
2/15/21
Back
2/14/21
Back
2/5/21
Knee
1/30/21
Back
1/28/21
Back
1/24/21
Back
1/15/21
Knee
1/13/21
Back
1/9/21
Back
1/8/21
Health protocols
12/30/20
Back
12/27/20
Back
8/12/20
Wrist
8/9/20
Ankle
2/26/20
Shoulder
2/7/20
Neck
1/8/20
Hand
12/31/19
Knee
12/15/19
Illness
12/6/19
Hip
10/25/19
Ankle/Lip
5/7/19
Upper Respiratory Infection
4/22/19
Knee
4/18/19
Knee
4/14/19
Knee
4/8/19
Knee
4/5/19
Left Knee Soreness
4/2/19
Load Management - Knee
3/29/19
Rest
3/18/19
Rest
2/20/19
Left Knee Soreness
2/9/19
Illness
1/25/19
Rest
1/20/19
Back
1/18/19
Back
1/11/19
Ankle
12/29/18
Left knee soreness
12/9/18
Migraine
10/26/18
Ankle
3/28/18
Facial contusion
2/14/18
Sore ankle
12/31/17
Sore hand
12/17/17
Sore back
12/11/17
Back tighness
11/20/17
Sore knee
9/25/17
Left knee surgery

[cgf]

Our first game against Philly was played WITH Embiid and we blew them out in Philly...
I'm not implying that they do us a solid. We are the 2nd seed. Philly not only needed a play in to get in but they are the 7th seed. The sixers are down 0-2, Embiid looks the same as he did in game one. His eye has a mind of its own right now. Have you watched any of the games?

I responded to be clear...I dont want a "solid" from Embiid. So far- whether they had Embiid on the floor or not- the regular season and play-off combined record this year is we WON 5 out of the 6 games we played. The sixers need 4 out of the next 6 games to prove they are the better team. They want to leave Embiid out there- go right ahead. If I'm the knicks I would put that pressure on Embiid. If I'm Brunson I'd drive right into Embiid...

My bad for not being clear. I wasn't trying to say we needed Embiid to sit to beat them...or even to put this thing away in less than 6. What I was trying to get at was that without Embiid these games wouldn't even be close and we could rest our guys for the next round. So Joel sitting out games that wouldn't effect his longterm health, would be "doing us a solid" whether it changed the ultimate result of the series or not.

Winning close games is more tiring than winning blowouts that you can empty the bench in, so even if we swept them with Embiid it would've been less taxing to sweep them without him, ya know?

I guess I should have acknowledged your point about strategy... I get what youre saying...
My point is- how will Embiid or a sixer fan feel- if he suffers another injury? When you have a 1 and 6 chance of beating a team
why risk it all -even if there is a 15% chance of injuring your franchise player? Embiid has a long history of injuries...

Embiid's injury history:

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Would they feel any differently if they sat him, let him recover all summer, and then he blew his knee out on day 1 of training camp or the regular season? Joel could get hurt again even if he was 100%, so should they just hold him out until they're already winning titles? Whether he gets hurt or not won't conclusively tell us he was at a higher risk of getting hurt or not.


I'll preface this by saying that I thought we would beat them before the series and I think we'd beat them if both teams were at 100%...but they don't think that. They think they can still beat us even down 0-2...as they should...and if they did beat us, they'd be a very manageable series with the Bucks or Pacers away from their first ECF of the post-Iverson era.

And if Embiid's problem right now is conditioning and trusting his body again...rather than the knee still getting back to 100%, so that he's getting stronger & healthier as time goes on...they'd have to like their chances of finally getting past the 2nd round before hitting this summer with the option to open a bunch of capspace for someone like Paul George.

Do I think that's likely? No. But I think that's their POV...which is why it really depends on the reason why Embiid isn't 100% and whether playing more is increasing his risk of re-injury or just getting him into better shape.

[Capn'O]

To me, Embiid needs to focus on pacing/preserving himself through seasons and even individual games. With regards to seasons, the MVP is probably no longer an option if he wants to make deep playoff runs. To win big he probably needs to sacrifice some production for stamina's sake. That and get in better condition. Likewise, Embiid has gone off gangbusters early in these games and has nothing at the end to the point where I almost wonder if it's deliberate Rope-A-Dope strategy by the Knicks. If he's got burst at the end of games to get key rebounds and pound inside we probably don't win either game.

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My bad for not being clear. I wasn't trying to say we needed Embiid to sit to beat them...or even to put this thing away in less than 6. What I was trying to get at was that without Embiid these games wouldn't even be close and we could rest our guys for the next round. So Joel sitting out games that wouldn't effect his longterm health, would be "doing us a solid" whether it changed the ultimate result of the series or not.

Winning close games is more tiring than winning blowouts that you can empty the bench in, so even if we swept them with Embiid it would've been less taxing to sweep them without him, ya know?

I guess I should have acknowledged your point about strategy... I get what youre saying...
My point is- how will Embiid or a sixer fan feel- if he suffers another injury? When you have a 1 and 6 chance of beating a team
why risk it all -even if there is a 15% chance of injuring your franchise player? Embiid has a long history of injuries...

Embiid's injury history:

Spoiler:

DATE
INJURY
4/24/24
Knee
4/19/24
Injury Management
4/13/24
Knee
4/11/24
Injury Management
4/7/24
Knee
4/5/24
Knee
4/3/24
Knee
1/30/24
Knee
1/27/24
Knee
1/6/24
Knee
12/24/23
Ankle
12/10/23
Knee
11/29/23
Illness
11/22/23
Hip
11/16/23
Hip
11/15/23
Hip
11/13/23
Hip
10/29/23
Rest
5/10/23
Knee
5/8/23
Knee
5/6/23
Knee
5/4/23
Knee
4/21/23
Knee
4/7/23
Calf
3/26/23
Calf
3/23/23
Calf
3/1/23
Foot
2/14/23
Foot
2/12/23
Foot
2/9/23
Foot
2/7/23
Foot
2/4/23
Foot
2/2/23
Foot
1/31/23
Foot
1/29/23
Foot
1/27/23
Foot
1/21/23
Foot
1/4/23
Foot
11/21/22
Foot
10/30/22
Illness
10/28/22
Knee-Rest
1/31/22
Rest
1/15/22
Elbow
12/18/21
Ankle
12/13/21
Ribs
11/8/21
Health and Safety Protocols
11/1/21
Rest
10/29/21
Right Knee
10/27/21
Knee
10/25/21
Right Knee
10/23/21
Knee
10/21/21
Right Knee
6/19/21
Knee
6/17/21
Knee
6/15/21
Knee
6/13/21
Knee
6/10/21
Knee
6/7/21
Knee
5/31/21
Knee
5/15/21
Illness
5/10/21
Illness
5/8/21
Injury recovery
4/24/21
Shoulder
4/23/21
Shoulder
4/4/21
Rest
3/12/21
Knee
3/9/21
Health and safety protocols
2/28/21
Ankle
2/15/21
Back
2/14/21
Back
2/5/21
Knee
1/30/21
Back
1/28/21
Back
1/24/21
Back
1/15/21
Knee
1/13/21
Back
1/9/21
Back
1/8/21
Health protocols
12/30/20
Back
12/27/20
Back
8/12/20
Wrist
8/9/20
Ankle
2/26/20
Shoulder
2/7/20
Neck
1/8/20
Hand
12/31/19
Knee
12/15/19
Illness
12/6/19
Hip
10/25/19
Ankle/Lip
5/7/19
Upper Respiratory Infection
4/22/19
Knee
4/18/19
Knee
4/14/19
Knee
4/8/19
Knee
4/5/19
Left Knee Soreness
4/2/19
Load Management - Knee
3/29/19
Rest
3/18/19
Rest
2/20/19
Left Knee Soreness
2/9/19
Illness
1/25/19
Rest
1/20/19
Back
1/18/19
Back
1/11/19
Ankle
12/29/18
Left knee soreness
12/9/18
Migraine
10/26/18
Ankle
3/28/18
Facial contusion
2/14/18
Sore ankle
12/31/17
Sore hand
12/17/17
Sore back
12/11/17
Back tighness
11/20/17
Sore knee
9/25/17
Left knee surgery

Would they feel any differently if they sat him, let him recover all summer, and then blew his knee out on day 1 of training camp or the regular season? He could get hurt again even if he was 100%. So whether he gets hurt or not wouldn't necessarily tell us he was at a higher risk of getting hurt or not...if that makes sense.

I'm trying to stay with you in the discussion But I cant if you are going to do this...
Anybody can get injured anytime...The context of this situation is- we are dealing with a player who has an extensive injury history -
who by some accounts is currently 50-65% heathly...The probability of this player picking up another injury is very likely based on his history and based on the fact that both of his legs are NOT stable. Embiid is applying more pressure on his knee/leg that is not injuried. Again, there is an issue with his eye as well.

This is not a debate- he needs to shut it down before something happens and he's gone for all of next year.

[Woodsanity]

To me, Embiid needs to focus on pacing/preserving himself through seasons and even individual games. With regards to seasons, the MVP is probably no longer an option if he wants to make deep playoff runs. To win big he probably needs to sacrifice some production for stamina's sake. That and get in better condition. Likewise, Embiid has gone off gangbusters early in these games and has nothing at the end to the point where I almost wonder if it's deliberate Rope-A-Dope strategy by the Knicks. If he's got burst at the end of games to get key rebounds and pound inside we probably don't win either game.

I still remember Embiid desperately trying to statpad his 30 points against the Knicks when we blew them out by almost 40.

This is what his priority is and it shows.

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To me, Embiid needs to focus on pacing/preserving himself through seasons and even individual games. With regards to seasons, the MVP is probably no longer an option if he wants to make deep playoff runs. To win big he probably needs to sacrifice some production for stamina's sake. That and get in better condition. Likewise, Embiid has gone off gangbusters early in these games and has nothing at the end to the point where I almost wonder if it's deliberate Rope-A-Dope strategy by the Knicks. If he's got burst at the end of games to get key rebounds and pound inside we probably don't win either game.

I feel like I'm trying to make a case for a players health that's not even on my team Cap
I'm going back to the Knick board

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To me, Embiid needs to focus on pacing/preserving himself through seasons and even individual games. With regards to seasons, the MVP is probably no longer an option if he wants to make deep playoff runs. To win big he probably needs to sacrifice some production for stamina's sake. That and get in better condition. Likewise, Embiid has gone off gangbusters early in these games and has nothing at the end to the point where I almost wonder if it's deliberate Rope-A-Dope strategy by the Knicks. If he's got burst at the end of games to get key rebounds and pound inside we probably don't win either game.

I still remember Embiid desperately trying to statpad his 30 points against the Knicks when we blew them out by almost 40.

This is what his priority is and it shows.

I just dont get Embiid...I dont know what his goals are. I dont know how injured he is. Coming into the series I thought he was
barely able to stand up at the foul line. Then in game one he throws the ball on the backboard and dunks it -to only fall to the floor -
like he was done for the series...

[cgf]

To me, Embiid needs to focus on pacing/preserving himself through seasons and even individual games. With regards to seasons, the MVP is probably no longer an option if he wants to make deep playoff runs. To win big he probably needs to sacrifice some production for stamina's sake. That and get in better condition. Likewise, Embiid has gone off gangbusters early in these games and has nothing at the end to the point where I almost wonder if it's deliberate Rope-A-Dope strategy by the Knicks. If he's got burst at the end of games to get key rebounds and pound inside we probably don't win either game.

The counter argument is their record without him and their netrating when he rests.

...but Morey had the assets and the tradeable contracts to do something about that. He chose to keep his powder dry for the offseason instead of beating Indiana to the Siakam punch. Maybe he'll be right in the long run, but this season that meant they couldn't pace Embiid the way he needs to be to have anything left in the tank now.

Calling it a deliberate rope-a-dope feels a bit much, but Thibs is clearly focusing a lot more on keeping their supporting cast quiet and living with Embiid/Maxey getting theirs. Nurse going the extreme opposite direction with Brunson has made this such an interesting clash of styles.

[cgf]

I guess I should have acknowledged your point about strategy... I get what youre saying...
My point is- how will Embiid or a sixer fan feel- if he suffers another injury? When you have a 1 and 6 chance of beating a team
why risk it all -even if there is a 15% chance of injuring your franchise player? Embiid has a long history of injuries...

Embiid's injury history:

Spoiler:

Would they feel any differently if they sat him, let him recover all summer, and then blew his knee out on day 1 of training camp or the regular season? He could get hurt again even if he was 100%. So whether he gets hurt or not wouldn't necessarily tell us he was at a higher risk of getting hurt or not...if that makes sense.

I'm trying to stay with you in the discussion But I cant if you are going to do this...
Anybody can get injured anytime...The context of this situation is- we are dealing with a player who has an extensive injury history -
who by some accounts is currently 50-65% heathly...The probability of this player picking up another injury is very likely based on his history and based on the fact that both of his legs are NOT stable. Embiid is applying more pressure on his knee/leg that is not injuried. Again, there is an issue with his eye as well.

This is not a debate- he needs to shut it down before something happens and he's gone for all of next year.

I think the bolded is where we are disconnecting. If I understand you correctly...and correct me if I'm misunderstanding you...you're taking the 'less than 80%' comment (or whatever the exact wording was) to mean his knee is less than 80%, right?

I'm saying that it could just mean that his whole body is less than 80%, which could be entirely his lack of conditioning...the same way Mitch's ankle was back to 100% but he clearly wasn't fully back to 100% when he first got back.

If it's his knee still not being 100% AND his conditioning being in the trash that's limiting him, then I'm with you completely...and yeah that eye thing was weird

[JonFromVA]

I guess I should have acknowledged your point about strategy... I get what youre saying...
My point is- how will Embiid or a sixer fan feel- if he suffers another injury? When you have a 1 and 6 chance of beating a team
why risk it all -even if there is a 15% chance of injuring your franchise player? Embiid has a long history of injuries...

Embiid's injury history:

Spoiler:

Would they feel any differently if they sat him, let him recover all summer, and then blew his knee out on day 1 of training camp or the regular season? He could get hurt again even if he was 100%. So whether he gets hurt or not wouldn't necessarily tell us he was at a higher risk of getting hurt or not...if that makes sense.

I'm trying to stay with you in the discussion But I cant if you are going to do this...
Anybody can get injured anytime...The context of this situation is- we are dealing with a player who has an extensive injury history -
who by some accounts is currently 50-65% heathly...The probability of this player picking up another injury is very likely based on his history and based on the fact that both of his legs are NOT stable. Embiid is applying more pressure on his knee/leg that is not injuried. Again, there is an issue with his eye as well.

This is not a debate- he needs to shut it down before something happens and he's gone for all of next year.

I haven't seen much of any details on the knee surgery he had done, but if he had his meniscus trimmed - he's already put the future health of his knee on the line so he could return and play. So, I wouldn't expect him to start acting sanely now.

[KnicksGadfly]

That's basically how Embiid plays the game though.

"Boo hoo, they touched me, I'm the better player, give me free throws."

"Boo hoo, he breathed on my space...FOUL FOUL."

"Boo hoo, I imagined that he hit me...it really hurt in my mind REF" flop flop*

[Context]

Would they feel any differently if they sat him, let him recover all summer, and then blew his knee out on day 1 of training camp or the regular season? He could get hurt again even if he was 100%. So whether he gets hurt or not wouldn't necessarily tell us he was at a higher risk of getting hurt or not...if that makes sense.

I'm trying to stay with you in the discussion But I cant if you are going to do this...
Anybody can get injured anytime...The context of this situation is- we are dealing with a player who has an extensive injury history -
who by some accounts is currently 50-65% heathly...The probability of this player picking up another injury is very likely based on his history and based on the fact that both of his legs are NOT stable. Embiid is applying more pressure on his knee/leg that is not injuried. Again, there is an issue with his eye as well.

This is not a debate- he needs to shut it down before something happens and he's gone for all of next year.

I think the bolded is where we are disconnecting. If I understand you correctly...and correct me if I'm misunderstanding you...you're taking the 'less than 80%' comment (or whatever the exact wording was) to mean his knee is less than 80%, right?

I'm saying that it could just mean that his whole body is less than 80%, which could be entirely his lack of conditioning...the same way Mitch's ankle was back to 100% but he clearly wasn't fully back to 100% when he first got back.

If it's his knee still not being 100% AND his conditioning being in the trash that's limiting him, then I'm with you completely...and yeah that eye thing was weird

Yes! and im basing it on that 12 inch off the floor dunk he made and how hes hobbling around etc...That has nothing to do with conditioning.