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Aside from Suns, which 7 teams do you think have the best chance at making the playoffs next year?

Clippers
6
14%
Grizzlies
5
12%
Kings
1
2%
Lakers
1
2%
Mavericks
6
14%
Nuggets
6
14%
Pelicans
3
7%
Rockets
2
5%
Thunder
6
14%
Timberwolves
6
14%
 
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Post#461 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon May 20, 2024 3:18 am

I guess size does matter! The Wolves have been dominant due to their size, length, physicality, athleticism, and gritty play! All things we lack with this team. Now we have a template for what kind of moves we really need to be making in this next generation of the league if we are serious about contending. Sure we have scorers, but we don't really have any high-level defenders or truly elite lockdown defenders. This should be a clear wake-up call that we seriously need a significant youth injection of high-end athleticism, length, toughness, physicality, and gritty tough smashmouth defenders.

We need players/prospects with that relentless hunger, energetic tenacity, and obviously a healthy amount of swagger. Like the saying goes..........................................

Offense wins games but defense wins championships! Let our big three cook offensively, and have some supplemental elite floor spacers to help sustain things, but the rest of the roster needs to be fully balanced with these very type of players that I've mentioned above!

Give me the Robinson trade so we can add Dunn, Kolek, Mcbride, and Richards and we can field a roster with ELITE SIZE, multiple high-end lockdown defenders, and an elite playmaker to keep our offense flowing. We need to be coming back bigger, tougher, more physical, and aggressive. And with a ton more athleticism and switchable length to throw at teams. :nod:
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Post#462 » by SunsRback4Good » Mon May 20, 2024 3:25 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:I guess size does matter! The Wolves have been dominant due to their size, length, physicality, athleticism, and gritty play! All things we lack with this team. Now we have a template for what kind of moves we really need to be making in this next generation of the league if we are serious about contending. Sure we have scorers, but we don't really have any high-level defenders or truly elite lockdown defenders. This should be a clear wake-up call that we seriously need a significant youth injection of high-end athleticism, length, toughness, physicality, and gritty tough smashmouth defenders.

We need players/prospects with that relentless hunger, energetic tenacity, and obviously a healthy amount of swagger. Like the saying goes..........................................

Offense wins games but defense wins championships! Let our big three cook offensively, and have some supplemental elite floor spacers to help sustain things, but the rest of the roster needs to be fully balanced with these very type of players that I've mentioned above!

Give me the Robinson trade so we can add Dunn, Kolek, Mcbride, and Richards and we can field a roster with ELITE SIZE, multiple high-end lockdown defenders, and an elite playmaker to keep our offense flowing. We need to be coming back bigger, tougher, more physical, and aggressive. And with a ton more athleticism and switchable length to throw at teams. :nod:


This is why all my relationships don’t work. Sooner or later they all leave for SIZE. :x
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Post#463 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon May 20, 2024 3:48 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:I guess size does matter! The Wolves have been dominant due to their size, length, physicality, athleticism, and gritty play! All things we lack with this team. Now we have a template for what kind of moves we really need to be making in this next generation of the league if we are serious about contending. Sure we have scorers, but we don't really have any high-level defenders or truly elite lockdown defenders. This should be a clear wake-up call that we seriously need a significant youth injection of high-end athleticism, length, toughness, physicality, and gritty tough smashmouth defenders.

We need players/prospects with that relentless hunger, energetic tenacity, and obviously a healthy amount of swagger. Like the saying goes..........................................

Offense wins games but defense wins championships! Let our big three cook offensively, and have some supplemental elite floor spacers to help sustain things, but the rest of the roster needs to be fully balanced with these very type of players that I've mentioned above!

Give me the Robinson trade so we can add Dunn, Kolek, Mcbride, and Richards and we can field a roster with ELITE SIZE, multiple high-end lockdown defenders, and an elite playmaker to keep our offense flowing. We need to be coming back bigger, tougher, more physical, and aggressive. And with a ton more athleticism and switchable length to throw at teams. :nod:


This is why all my relationships don’t work. Sooner or later they all leave for SIZE. :x


I guess just tell them that much like the Phoenix Suns, it's a work in progress and you just need more time brother? :thumbsup:
Besides! Women are never satisfied with anything these days. :beer:
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Post#465 » by RaisingArizona » Mon May 20, 2024 4:48 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:$100 on Nuggets & Pacers ML if I lose I can’t afford to pay rent next month. :cry:

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Post#466 » by SunsRback4Good » Mon May 20, 2024 5:07 am

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SunsRback4Good wrote:$100 on Nuggets & Pacers ML if I lose I can’t afford to pay rent next month. :cry:

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Post#467 » by sunsbg » Mon May 20, 2024 7:42 am

Both of Doncic and Haliburton in the conference finals. Yikes.

Edit: what is even more hilarious is that Jalen Smith is also there, watching from the bench though he'd be a key role player for us right now.
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Post#468 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon May 20, 2024 6:35 pm

sunsbg wrote:Both of Doncic and Haliburton in the conference finals. Yikes.

Edit: what is even more hilarious is that Jalen Smith is also there, watching from the bench though he'd be a key role player for us right now.


Yet another clear indictment of Jones being a horrible GM and another reason why he needs to be fully removed from any legitimate front office role as in his near 7-8 years with our franchise, he's slowly dismantled our foundation and over time our future both immediate and long term as well. :-?
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Post#469 » by KdoubleDees23 » Mon May 20, 2024 7:50 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
sunsbg wrote:Both of Doncic and Haliburton in the conference finals. Yikes.

Edit: what is even more hilarious is that Jalen Smith is also there, watching from the bench though he'd be a key role player for us right now.


Yet another clear indictment of Jones being a horrible GM and another reason why he needs to be fully removed from any legitimate front office role as in his near 7-8 years with our franchise, he's slowly dismantled our foundation and over time our future both immediate and long term as well. :-?


We don't know how they would have developed in AZ. Which rookie has developed here? Bridges? Stat? Booker? How many have failed here?
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Post#470 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon May 20, 2024 8:55 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
sunsbg wrote:Both of Doncic and Haliburton in the conference finals. Yikes.

Edit: what is even more hilarious is that Jalen Smith is also there, watching from the bench though he'd be a key role player for us right now.


Yet another clear indictment of Jones being a horrible GM and another reason why he needs to be fully removed from any legitimate front office role as in his near 7-8 years with our franchise, he's slowly dismantled our foundation and over time our future both immediate and long term as well. :-?


We don't know how they would have developed in AZ. Which rookie has developed here? Bridges? Stat? Booker? How many have failed here?


You make a very good and fair point man! But how they might have been utilized or underutilized and or not developed has nothing to do with my point about Jones because clearly it's about simply recognizing and acquiring elite potential talent, and the issue with Jones is simply that he himself openly admitted to not valuing/caring about the draft, and also stated he would have passed on Booker for a vet option as a known commodity over the crapshoot that is the draft. And he's not even shy about how much he loathes the draft by how aggressively he gives away all of our draft assets in lopsided deals.

Now this becomes a very big problem when the entirety of the league has clearly been transitioning to a younger, bigger, more athletic, more hungry, more physical, and energetic youth movement around a younger more exciting generation of stars. We're falling far behind the curve competitively with no way to catch back up aside from completely blowing things up and finally entering the race while everyone else has already competitively lapped us.

My point is that while you're right that we couldn't have fully known how either of those players might have worked out in our environment, or even if we would've wanted them, Jone's primary job as a GM in those situations was to identify talent and acquire it if available. Jones has really only hit on maybe 1 decent talent in Cam Johnson out of his nearly 8 years of being our GM BECAUSE again, as he himself admitted, he doesn't care about the draft and doesn't even bother putting the work/time/ research into identifying potential talent or even decent productive contributory options. I'd have no problems with him if he'd only try like any other GM is willing to do, but he doesn't care, when for us, it's a viable and cost-effective method of sustainability and talent/asset acquisition. Our franchise is simply not good enough or in a position to ignore opportunities so negligibly.

And although your point is very accurate man, you don't pass on potentially elite talent! especially when it's well-documented throughout the league and in media! This again speaks to the gross ineptitude of this franchise's front office. :dontknow:

By the way, ESPN TRADE MACHINE sucks these days, you should really try out fanspos' new trade machine man! :wink:
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Post#471 » by Slim Charless » Mon May 20, 2024 9:01 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
sunsbg wrote:Both of Doncic and Haliburton in the conference finals. Yikes.

Edit: what is even more hilarious is that Jalen Smith is also there, watching from the bench though he'd be a key role player for us right now.


Yet another clear indictment of Jones being a horrible GM and another reason why he needs to be fully removed from any legitimate front office role as in his near 7-8 years with our franchise, he's slowly dismantled our foundation and over time our future both immediate and long term as well. :-?


We don't know how they would have developed in AZ. Which rookie has developed here? Bridges? Stat? Booker? How many have failed here?


We had Luka's national team coach. You'd have to assume he'd know the exact way how to use him correctly. Hell, there's a world where Igor might've had produced a better version of Luka then what we saw.

Now, the question would be how would Book have performed with Luka?
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Post#472 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon May 20, 2024 9:23 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
KdoubleDees23 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Yet another clear indictment of Jones being a horrible GM and another reason why he needs to be fully removed from any legitimate front office role as in his near 7-8 years with our franchise, he's slowly dismantled our foundation and over time our future both immediate and long term as well. :-?


We don't know how they would have developed in AZ. Which rookie has developed here? Bridges? Stat? Booker? How many have failed here?


We had Luka's national team coach. You'd have to assume he'd know the exact way how to use him correctly. Hell, there's a world where Igor might've had produced a better version of Luka than what we saw.

Now, the question would be how would Book have performed with Luka?


For sure these are great points! And although I didn't think at the time, and still don't think those two could coexist on the same team with both players wanting to be the alpha and face of the franchise, and both players being very ball dominant in order to be successful and happy, You knowing the potential have to take those players, especially with how very much a player like Doncdick! was hyped and his body of work/accomplishments heading into the draft! Now even though there are some on here who will argue that it was Mcdonough who chose Ayton over Doncic, it's pretty obvious to me and others that it was Saver all along, and had a ton to do with pleasing/catering to his AZ alumni boosters/ friends that wanted their university promoted as producing the #1 pick in a stellar draft.

It's pretty silly to argue against that considering that it's widely known that nothing got approved without Savers' approval, and in fact, he was so controlling over all decisions that many reports came out over his iron-fisted micromanaging style of managing everything. Lastly, it's important to remember who hired Doncics' coach in Kokoskov as well prior to the draft as well. It shouldn't really be that difficult to discern that that draft's outcome was yet another example of Savers' meddling in things and not letting his people do their job in the interest of personal business profits!

Lastly, back to the discussion topic, we weren't really competing back then, and were looking for star talent to put with Booker. So even if you believe that there's a distinct possibility that it won't work out, you still take the top talent and develop him as a very high value asset that you can trade for a kings' ransom to add other significant pieces around your core/star that you do keep. :wink:
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Post#473 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 21, 2024 3:15 am

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Post#474 » by garrick » Tue May 21, 2024 6:41 am

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I'm sharing this to put emphasis on the importance of having a long, athletic, very mobile rim-running, shot-blocking center in the playoffs. Keeping Nurkic is fine as long as we can also have that kind of alternative to be able to switch to in matchups! Whether Missi or Richards or Damian James or Kai Jones, etc. We need to really have that option we've ignored for such a long time. Really long switchable defensive two-way wing/forward options too like what the Mavs have in Washington. We too could emulate this with Ryan Dunn, Nae'Qwan Tomlin, JT Toppin, via the draft or in free agency with any of Nik Batum, Robert Covington, Kelly Oubre or KJ Martin jr from the vet min pool.

But we really need these type of acquisitions to balance out our roster rather than having mismatched overlapping skill sets. Versatility in matchups is critical for contending teams. :D


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We should have tanked this season to get into the lottery to get a better pick in the draft. :D
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Post#475 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 21, 2024 5:12 pm

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I'm sharing this to put emphasis on the importance of having a long, athletic, very mobile rim-running, shot-blocking center in the playoffs. Keeping Nurkic is fine as long as we can also have that kind of alternative to be able to switch to in matchups! Whether Missi or Richards or Damian James or Kai Jones, etc. We need to really have that option we've ignored for such a long time. Really long switchable defensive two-way wing/forward options too like what the Mavs have in Washington. We too could emulate this with Ryan Dunn, Nae'Qwan Tomlin, JT Toppin, via the draft or in free agency with any of Nik Batum, Robert Covington, Kelly Oubre or KJ Martin jr from the vet min pool.

But we really need these type of acquisitions to balance out our roster rather than having mismatched overlapping skill sets. Versatility in matchups is critical for contending teams. :D


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We should have tanked this season to get into the lottery to get a better pick in the draft. :D


This is the one year it would have worked, given the double swap and Memphis and Wash being really bad. I imagine by 2026, when we have the next double swap, Memphis will be a lot better with still a young JJJ, Ja, Bane plus Smart (or whatever they get for Smart if they trade him) and their high pick this year.
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Post#476 » by sunsbum » Wed May 22, 2024 5:27 am

J. Smith sighting. Put another bullet in the chamber for all the JJ haters out there.
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Post#477 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed May 22, 2024 7:07 am

sunsbum wrote:J. Smith sighting. Put another bullet in the chamber for all the JJ haters out there.


But really though, How ironic and predictable would that be for the Suns to bring him back after giving him away! And for additional cap space (at the time) to overpay Shamet on his contract they gave him before ever gauging his market value. It's kind of like when Jones refused to give Craig that 2 year option at 5 million per he was seeking in free agency, only to let Indy sign him to that, and then we gave up a draft asset just to trade back or him at the same contractual cost he balked at. This front office always seems to expend assets just to undue previous poor decisions. I really wish their was a hindsight specialist they could sign to avoid these disappointing cyclical outcomes. :D
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Post#478 » by bwgood77 » Wed May 22, 2024 5:03 pm

Indiana blew that game big time. Can't inbound a pass up 3 with 15 seconds left? Reminded me of the old Brandon Knight games where we had similar circumstances. Then Brown hits that ridiculous shot. Feel bad for Indy.
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Post#479 » by handsome salary » Wed May 22, 2024 5:11 pm

As much as it would sting watching the TWolves get their first chip and another organization leap past the Suns I'll pull for them out of the four. Then Pacers.
Luka and the Mavs winning it all would be total crap. Like how I feel still thinking about Elie's 3 pointer.
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Post#480 » by bwgood77 » Wed May 22, 2024 7:02 pm

handsome salary wrote:As much as it would sting watching the TWolves get their first chip and another organization leap past the Suns I'll pull for them out of the four. Then Pacers.
Luka and the Mavs winning it all would be total crap. Like how I feel still thinking about Elie's 3 pointer.


I like the Wolves, and wouldn't mind if Dallas won. But if Indy somehow made it, I'd pull for them against Dallas for sure. Not sure about the Wolves. They have faced more misery with us being terrible for basically 20 years. I will never pull for Boston, unless they are playing the Lakers.

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