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**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1081 » by lastb1ckman » Thu May 23, 2024 10:56 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:This kid was born to play for the Miami Heat. I have to imagine he's probably our 1A. No way I see Riley passing up on this kid. I love da Silva but I know there's possibly no way the Heat let Carter go by.



Yeah even if he isn't a full time pg, splitting the job with Herro or Rozier should be fine. Pick up the Maxeys and Trae Youngs full court, wear em put for Bam to take care of lol.
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Post#1083 » by twix2500 » Fri May 24, 2024 1:36 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:If we don't make any moves and draft Devin Carter he should probably be starting over Rozier in the backcourt if Herro is still here. Probably won't happen right away but he looks like the ultimate Herro protector in that backcourt defensively.



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Post#1084 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 24, 2024 2:05 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:If we don't make any moves and draft Devin Carter he should probably be starting over Rozier in the backcourt if Herro is still here. Probably won't happen right away but he looks like the ultimate Herro protector in that backcourt defensively.



C'Mon now

Comment is more an indictment on the ill pairing defensively of Rozier and Herro. Also overlapping chucking skill sets.
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Post#1085 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri May 24, 2024 7:08 am

For all of those that are skeptic about having a rookie playing a big role on a contender - Just look at Dereck Lively II and the Mavs.

24 minutes a night - playing a huge role for them.

I'd say we have bigger needs and holes on the roster then the Mavs did. A good rook can 100% help us day 1.

He'll I'd love to see K.Ware and D.Carter next to Jimmy Bam and Jovic - huge lineup.
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Post#1086 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 24, 2024 12:56 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:For all of those that are skeptic about having a rookie playing a big role on a contender - Just look at Dereck Lively II and the Mavs.

24 minutes a night - playing a huge role for them.

I'd say we have bigger needs and holes on the roster then the Mavs did. A good rook can 100% help us day 1.

He'll I'd love to see K.Ware and D.Carter next to Jimmy Bam and Jovic - huge lineup.

Asking this organization to try and extract another pick in this draft selecting two picks in one year seems like a real pipe dream scenario. We have a better chance at trading out of the pick then trading for another one. As it is one pick is already putting a strain on the cap apron.
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Post#1087 » by twix2500 » Fri May 24, 2024 2:08 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:If we don't make any moves and draft Devin Carter he should probably be starting over Rozier in the backcourt if Herro is still here. Probably won't happen right away but he looks like the ultimate Herro protector in that backcourt defensively.



C'Mon now

Comment is more an indictment on the ill pairing defensively of Rozier and Herro. Also overlapping chucking skill sets.


My comment is from the idea of drafting players to complement Herro. That needs to stop. Herro is not a player to build around. Either you adding players to complement Bam or Butler or you just drafting the best talent regardless of position. I wouldn't waste a pick to complement Rozier either. In all honesty I think Herro days as a fixed starter here is over. I think if no trade happens Jaquez and Butler will be your starting swing players. Currently constructed Rozier is a better fit in the starting lineup
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Post#1088 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 24, 2024 3:01 pm

twix2500 wrote:
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C'Mon now

Comment is more an indictment on the ill pairing defensively of Rozier and Herro. Also overlapping chucking skill sets.


My comment is from the idea of drafting players to complement Herro. That needs to stop. Herro is not a player to build around. Either you adding players to complement Bam or Butler or you just drafting the best talent regardless of position. I wouldn't waste a pick to complement Rozier either. In all honesty I think Herro days as a fixed starter here is over. I think if no trade happens Jaquez and Butler will be your starting swing players. Currently constructed Rozier is a better fit in the starting lineup

Regardless who is in the backcourt it still makes Devin Carter a great pick.
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Post#1089 » by carnageta » Fri May 24, 2024 4:07 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:For all of those that are skeptic about having a rookie playing a big role on a contender - Just look at Dereck Lively II and the Mavs.

24 minutes a night - playing a huge role for them.

I'd say we have bigger needs and holes on the roster then the Mavs did. A good rook can 100% help us day 1.

He'll I'd love to see K.Ware and D.Carter next to Jimmy Bam and Jovic - huge lineup.



Heat fans have short memories. Tyler Herro (and Kendrick Nunn) played vital roles for us during their rookie seasons - same year we went to the finals.
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Post#1091 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 24, 2024 4:24 pm

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Just so you all know who we are not drafting :lol:
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Post#1093 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 24, 2024 5:03 pm

Collier not signing with Klutch was big for us. Leaves that door open
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Post#1094 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 24, 2024 5:15 pm

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They are going to dictate his landing spot and it's most likely going to be close to home.
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Post#1095 » by lastb1ckman » Fri May 24, 2024 5:39 pm

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Just so you all know who we are not drafting :lol:


Damn there goes KJ Simpson then
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Post#1096 » by lastb1ckman » Fri May 24, 2024 5:39 pm

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Post#1097 » by greg4012 » Fri May 24, 2024 5:48 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Collier not signing with Klutch was big for us. Leaves that door open


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Post#1098 » by greg4012 » Fri May 24, 2024 6:53 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Collier not signing with Klutch was big for us. Leaves that door open




Maybe a quirky thought, but I see some parallels between Collier and a young Kyle Lowry. Lowry was an athletic bulldog that took quite a few years to get his shot to catch up to the rest of his game in the NBA. Had some of the similar NFL RB style athleticism and paint penetrating game early and thru the prime of his career.

Basically, I think Collier needs to progress his game at a similar trajectory to Lowry in order to reach his upside at the NBA level



Lowry hardly shot the 3 ball in college and was at 32% for his 2 college seasons. His game was predicated on paint penetration. Lowry wasn't really a steady 3-pt shooter until his age 24 season (granted that it was less prioritized then). Through his first few seasons in the NBA, he always hovered around 40% of his FGA coming at the rim.

Basically just spitballing on what's already known--Collier getting a decent 3-ball is the swing skill for his NBA prospects.
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Post#1099 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 24, 2024 7:07 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Collier not signing with Klutch was big for us. Leaves that door open




Maybe a quirky thought, but I see some parallels between Collier and a young Kyle Lowry. Lowry was an athletic bulldog that took quite a few years to get his shot to catch up to the rest of his game in the NBA. Had some of the similar NFL RB style athleticism and paint penetrating game early and thru the prime of his career.

Basically, I think Collier needs to progress his game at a similar trajectory to Lowry in order to reach his upside at the NBA level



Lowry hardly shot the 3 ball in college and was at 32% for his 2 college seasons. His game was predicated on paint penetration. Lowry wasn't really a steady 3-pt shooter until his age 24 season (granted that it was less prioritized then). Through his first few seasons in the NBA, he always hovered around 40% of his FGA coming at the rim.

Basically just spitballing on what's already known--Collier getting a decent 3-ball is the swing skill for his NBA prospects.

I just don't understand what his problem is at the FT line. He had games against Stanford this year where he went 8/15 and LB St 5/12. We don't need another Winslow at the FT line.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1100 » by lastb1ckman » Fri May 24, 2024 7:09 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Collier not signing with Klutch was big for us. Leaves that door open




Maybe a quirky thought, but I see some parallels between Collier and a young Kyle Lowry. Lowry was an athletic bulldog that took quite a few years to get his shot to catch up to the rest of his game in the NBA. Had some of the similar NFL RB style athleticism and paint penetrating game early and thru the prime of his career.

Basically, I think Collier needs to progress his game at a similar trajectory to Lowry in order to reach his upside at the NBA level



Lowry hardly shot the 3 ball in college and was at 32% for his 2 college seasons. His game was predicated on paint penetration. Lowry wasn't really a steady 3-pt shooter until his age 24 season (granted that it was less prioritized then). Through his first few seasons in the NBA, he always hovered around 40% of his FGA coming at the rim.

Basically just spitballing on what's already known--Collier getting a decent 3-ball is the swing skill for his NBA prospects.


Lowry didn't really take off till his late 20s, heat fans would have Collier's head on a pike by 25 if he takes that long to pop.

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