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[ShootingtheJ]

I'm still coming back to Moses Moody. I wonder if we could get him for #23, maybe even #33. Golden State's only pick in this years draft is 52 so if they like someone they'll have to find a way to move up. Golden State has never really found a role for him, upcoming contract talks, Podz coming in last season and supplanting him in rotation, Klay coming back? Third year guy but still only 22 next season. Strong 6'6, 7' wingspan, not amazing 36% shooter but solid and something to work with. Played some games a few seasons in the G-League where he was a VOLUME shooter (8 and 11.5 threes attempted) at a 40%+ clip. Career per 36 numbers 15/5/2/1 on 58% TS% while not really having a role in Golden State. Outside of GP2 he had the lowest DRTG on that Warriors rotation last season, solid on ball, weird stats but like top 25 in loose balls recovered and charges drawn (per minute based) probably got a bit of hustle there. He gets into the lane a lot and is pretty efficient, 18% of shots coming from 0-3 at 73% and 24% of shots coming from 3-10 at 48%. Less than 5 feet, 45% of his baskets came unassisted, a dude who can attack a closeout. Obviously not saying they're the same player but feel like he could really be a Malik Monk/Donte type breakout player in a different situation.

A lot of "every three pointer he's maybe ever made in the NBA" fluff here but also a lot of good stuff.

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I think you've identified an underutilized potential breakout player. My only concern is his inability to pass. After a year of Beasley, I'm not sure I sign up for that again.

He's an option, but not my first option. What's the deal look like, how does the money work? Also, defensively, isn't he more of a wing guy than a POA guy? Do you think he can get through ball screens?

[paulpressey25]

Khris (and Pat) for KAT (and NAW).

Who is saying no?

I honestly think both teams would struggle to say no.

Take a look at KAT’s contract. $49, 53, 57 and $61.

You’d need to trade both Midds and Brook to make it work under the cap, and even then think 2nd apron blocks it (Emunney?)

And then Gobert and Brook are redundant.

[ShootingtheJ]

Khris (and Pat) for KAT (and NAW).

Who is saying no?

I honestly think both teams would struggle to say no.

Take a look at KAT’s contract. $49, 53, 57 and $61.

You’d need to trade both Midds and Brook to make it work under the cap, and even then think 2nd apron blocks it (Emunney?)

And then Gobert and Brook are redundant.

Agree. This would need to be a multi team deal, but still unlikely worth it.

Also, thanks for pointing out what a massive steal Middleton's contact is. One the NBA best bargains come playoff time.

[raferfenix]

I get the idea started as the Wolves wanting to move off KAT but if they were seriously targeting Middleton or Dame to get over the hump Jaden McDaniels or Naz Reid would be incomparably better fits here.

[raferfenix]

[thanks for pointing out what a massive steal Middleton's contact is. One the NBA best bargains come playoff time.

Good point.

Paul George is about to make about double Middleton too.

[BUCKnation]

Guys like moody or beef stew are good targets

[LuessiT]

Khris (and Pat) for KAT (and NAW).

Who is saying no?

I honestly think both teams would struggle to say no.

Take a look at KAT’s contract. $49, 53, 57 and $61.

You’d need to trade both Midds and Brook to make it work under the cap, and even then think 2nd apron blocks it (Emunney?)

And then Gobert and Brook are redundant.

As far as I know the 2nd apron is an obstacle, but doesn't have to be a dealbreaker. We'd have to do a trade to jump under the apron (e.g. trade Pat for less salary) before the deadline and then the apron rules don't apply (unless the consequent trade would put us above the second apron). It should be considered in the cost of acquisition though.

[Fotis St]

Nope, I'm not sure there's a single role player over there that belongs in the NBA. Exum was the only one, but he was only there because of injuries. Fringe NBA guys now play in the G League. Sure, there's a lot of developmental players on NBA rosters, but there's multiple reasons for that.

Oh, u keep playing the same card ?

Well, minus Giannis + Lillard + Khris ... I bet Panathinaikos Roster is better than Bucks supplemental Roster currently contracted. It is not even close.

The Kendrick Nunn, Jerian Grant and Kostas Sloukas guard rotation,

the Lessor / Mitoglou / Kostas Ante/....ski PF/Center rotation is more versatile than Brook/Bobby rotation,

Papapetrou is slightly better than Pat C, or at least a wash...

you are just trippin my brother.

[ShootingtheJ]

Nope, I'm not sure there's a single role player over there that belongs in the NBA. Exum was the only one, but he was only there because of injuries. Fringe NBA guys now play in the G League. Sure, there's a lot of developmental players on NBA rosters, but there's multiple reasons for that.

Oh, u keep playing the same card ?

Well, minus Giannis + Lillard + Khris ... I bet Panathinaikos Roster is better than Bucks supplemental Roster currently contracted. It is not even close.

The Kendrick Nunn, Jerian Grant and Kostas Sloukas guard rotation,

the Lessor / Mitoglou / Kostas Ante/....ski PF/Center rotation is more versatile than Brook/Bobby rotation,

Papapetrou is slightly better than Pat C, or at least a wash...

you are just trippin my brother.

Sorry, but those are all bad players compared to NBA guys. Should be obvious, considering some of them played in the NBA before they washed out. Kostas wasn't even a quality G League player.

[Fotis St]

Nope, I'm not sure there's a single role player over there that belongs in the NBA. Exum was the only one, but he was only there because of injuries. Fringe NBA guys now play in the G League. Sure, there's a lot of developmental players on NBA rosters, but there's multiple reasons for that.

Oh, u keep playing the same card ?

Well, minus Giannis + Lillard + Khris ... I bet Panathinaikos Roster is better than Bucks supplemental Roster currently contracted. It is not even close.

The Kendrick Nunn, Jerian Grant and Kostas Sloukas guard rotation,

the Lessor / Mitoglou / Kostas Ante/....ski PF/Center rotation is more versatile than Brook/Bobby rotation,

Papapetrou is slightly better than Pat C, or at least a wash...

you are just trippin my brother.

Sorry, but those are all bad players compared to NBA guys. Should be obvious, considering some of them played in the NBA before they washed out. Kostas wasn't even a quality G League player.

Buy (into) and read the Euro Book brother. You are clueless. Some players in Euroleague get more money than NBA minimum contract - taxes. EU has less taxes or Clubs offers other incentives that makes Vezenkov, Teodosic demand 8 million per year or else they are not coming to the NBA. This is why I said NBA Roster spots from 9-15 are comparable with alot of Euroleague players.

[ShootingtheJ]

Oh, u keep playing the same card ?

Well, minus Giannis + Lillard + Khris ... I bet Panathinaikos Roster is better than Bucks supplemental Roster currently contracted. It is not even close.

The Kendrick Nunn, Jerian Grant and Kostas Sloukas guard rotation,

the Lessor / Mitoglou / Kostas Ante/....ski PF/Center rotation is more versatile than Brook/Bobby rotation,

Papapetrou is slightly better than Pat C, or at least a wash...

you are just trippin my brother.

Sorry, but those are all bad players compared to NBA guys. Should be obvious, considering some of them played in the NBA before they washed out. Kostas wasn't even a quality G League player.

Buy (into) and read the Euro Book brother. You are clueless. Some players in Euroleague get more money than NBA minimum contract - taxes. EU has less taxes or Clubs offers other incentives that makes Vezenkov, Teodosic demand 8 million per year or else they are not coming to the NBA. This is why I said NBA Roster spots from 9-15 are comparable with alot of Euroleague players.

Nope, I'm not the clueless one. Teodosic played in the NBA, he was terrible. Micic is terrible.

The only NBA guys that are comparable to Euroleague are the developmental players, and when they don't develop, like Grant, they end up in the Euroleague

[humanrefutation]

Khris (and Pat) for KAT (and NAW).

Who is saying no?

I honestly think both teams would struggle to say no.

I just don't see how that makes us better in the short term. It would be a buy-low on KAT, so perhaps we could flip him for a bunch of quality role players down the line. But I'm not sure if he solves many problems for us, especially during the playoffs where Khris's shotmaking has been especially valuable.

[slos]

How bad does Minny's ownership want to get out of KAT's contract and avoid the taxes?

Bucks in Towns
Bucks out Lopez, Portis, Connaughton, #23, 2031 FRP

Wolves in Giddey, Portis, #23, MIL 2031 FRP
Wolves out Towns

Oklahoma in Lopez, Connaughton
Oklahoma out Giddey

In terms of value I don't believe Minny can do much better after his no show against Dallas. I don't know though how this can become legal since Bucks will be just 1 mil under the 2nd apron with 9 players.

Lillard........#33
Green........Jackson
Middleton....Beauchamp
Giannis.......Livingston
Towns

[ShootingtheJ]

How bad does Minny's ownership want to get out of KAT's contract and avoid the taxes?

Bucks in Towns
Bucks out Lopez, Portis, Connaughton, #23, 2031 FRP

Wolves in Giddey, Portis, #23, MIL 2031 FRP
Wolves out Towns

Oklahoma in Lopez, Connaughton
Oklahoma out Giddey

In terms of value I don't believe Minny can do much better after his no show against Dallas. I don't know though how this can become legal since Bucks will be just 1 mil under the 2nd apron with 9 players.

Lillard........#33
Green........Jackson
Middleton....Beauchamp
Giannis.......Livingston
Towns

Any reason why other teams aren't allowed to bid? Pelicans would likely offer Ingram plus a bunch of picks and filler.

I hope KAT stays where he is.

[trwi7]

Well, minus Giannis + Lillard + Khris ... I bet Panathinaikos Roster is better than Bucks supplemental Roster currently contracted. It is not even close.

Minus our three smartest posters, this board starts to sound a lot like you.

[SupremeHustle]

How bad does Minny's ownership want to get out of KAT's contract and avoid the taxes?

Bucks in Towns
Bucks out Lopez, Portis, Connaughton, #23, 2031 FRP

Wolves in Giddey, Portis, #23, MIL 2031 FRP
Wolves out Towns

Oklahoma in Lopez, Connaughton
Oklahoma out Giddey

In terms of value I don't believe Minny can do much better after his no show against Dallas. I don't know though how this can become legal since Bucks will be just 1 mil under the 2nd apron with 9 players.

Lillard........#33
Green........Jackson
Middleton....Beauchamp
Giannis.......Livingston
Towns

That bench is sad.

[Fotis St]

Well, minus Giannis + Lillard + Khris ... I bet Panathinaikos Roster is better than Bucks supplemental Roster currently contracted. It is not even close.

Minus our three smartest posters, this board starts to sound a lot like you.

You hearing voices is concerning
You reading my posts is promising
You understanding my posts is delusional from my part.

[Baddy Chuck]

I still laugh that Semi Ojeleye's time with the Bucks was so bad that Fotis removed him from his signature.

[Frank Nova]

Is there a list of pending free agent wings we’ll look at to replace Beasley? Vet min guys I’d imagine or can we spend the tpmle? I’m not good with the cap stuff. I’m just pretty sure we don’t have money for someone like KCP or anyone real good like that. Who are the intriguing options?

[JayMKE]

Draft Bronny & get Lebron