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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#661 » by Negrodamus » Sun May 26, 2024 6:04 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:I keep watching his Cashiggy videos and he always lets me down. I’ve been trying to get excited about him but he gets blocked too easily, makes stupid decisions at times… I think I’m out on him unfortunately.

I get that. Unfortunately, his scoring numbers are very underwhelming, as well.

However, based on size and playstyle, he seems like an ideal candidate for a long NBA career.

My concern is whether or not he's a 10+ ppg playoff player of just a 4-6 PPG playoff player.

Negro, what do you think about other college role players like Harrison Ingram, Jalen Bridges, and Coleman Hawkins?

I feel like all these guys are ideal positional players in terms of size and playstyle. But the production just isn't there (same with Larrson).


Ingram is my guy in the second (although there are a couple of others I'd be fine with). He has already shown distributing chops, he's gotten his 3FG up at UNC, was a force on the defensive end. I like that he acknowledged he's not going to have the freedom of Stanford, so he settled into what his NBA role will be: a 3&D wing. I know the FT% is concerning, but I'm willing to take the chance.

I like Bridges, but I'm trying to separate myself from him transferring to UK (which was a rumor for a hot minute) and him on the Sixers. I generally don't care for guys who have been one dimensional offensive players their whole career.

Coleman Hawkins looked too unathletic for the NBA. Seems like he watched a lot of RoCo and tried to emulate that at Illinois.

I'm still a Jamir Watkins truther though. Would take him in the second if he's available. Probably over Ingram, however I see more paths to NBA longevity for Ingram.
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Post#662 » by mjkvol » Sun May 26, 2024 7:00 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Interesting. That's pretty next level that they're targeting guys that excel at a few specific traits like spacing and finishing

That Igor dude seems promising. Stretch four with size. Damn, Tennessee was a fun team to watch this year, might be even more fun next year. Still not a fan of Z, though.


I love him, obviously. It's going to be interesting to see how he plays with more than one legit scoring option on the floor with him. Last season he was far too often the only scoring option aside from DK, but with this group he will need to be more of a distributor. He and Okpara should be lethal in the lob game.
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#663 » by Stanford » Tue May 28, 2024 4:04 pm

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Why is Big Bill Broonzy James declining workouts?
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Post#664 » by Negrodamus » Tue May 28, 2024 4:18 pm

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Why is Big Bill Broonzy James declining workouts?


He should have a done a "The Decision" announcement on who he'll work out with.
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Post#665 » by Mik317 » Tue May 28, 2024 5:23 pm

The Suns don't have scouts IIRC and they just promise a guy and keep it moving...taking Bronny and seeing if Bron strong arms his way there
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#666 » by mjkvol » Tue May 28, 2024 7:17 pm

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Why is Big Bill Broonzy James declining workouts?


He should have a done a "The Decision" announcement on who he'll work out with.


He might as well, it's the only chance he'll ever have to do one.
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#667 » by Kobblehead » Tue May 28, 2024 10:21 pm

Make sense tbh.

The only chance he has is to play for his daddy's current team or his daddy's future team.
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Post#668 » by 76ciology » Wed May 29, 2024 9:02 am

Was Daron Holmes playing against weak competition? I think ive asked this question 1-2 years ago.
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Post#669 » by Mik317 » Wed May 29, 2024 12:48 pm

what are yall thoughts on Jared McCain?
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Post#670 » by Arsenal » Wed May 29, 2024 12:54 pm

76ciology wrote:Was Daron Holmes playing against weak competition? I think ive asked this question 1-2 years ago.


Check the Strength of Schedule (SOS) on his stats page in the top "Per Game" section:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/daron-holmesii-1.html

SOS was 5.73 this past season, which is not great, but not a terribly easy schedule either. Toughest schedules are around 8-10.

Weak ones are around 0 or even negative numbers e.g. for Ajay Mitchell it was -3.01 this past season, which means weak competition.

Just looking at his numbers DaRon Holmes looks like a fantastic prospect. All green and no red at all on Tankathon. I'm down for taking him at #!6 overall, or even better trade down and grab one or two more 2nds and still get him.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/daron-holmes-ii
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Post#671 » by Arsenal » Wed May 29, 2024 12:56 pm

Mik317 wrote:what are yall thoughts on Jared McCain?


Probably a Cole Anthony type. Potentially could become a lead guard but a bad fit with Maxey due to size. Would be relegated to a 6th man role here.
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Post#672 » by the_process » Wed May 29, 2024 4:37 pm

Late to the party. This Da Silva kid... plug and play low ceiling high floor? That about right?
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Post#673 » by Arsenal » Wed May 29, 2024 5:51 pm

the_process wrote:Late to the party. This Da Silva kid... plug and play low ceiling high floor? That about right?


I'm hoping he could basically be a younger version of Nic Batum if we get him. A solid two-way connector who can facilitate, shoot and defend.
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Post#674 » by Kobblehead » Wed May 29, 2024 10:30 pm

Mik317 wrote:what are yall thoughts on Jared McCain?

I think he'll be a good player, but I can't get behind his organizational fit with us.

He's way too small and he's poor athletically.
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Post#675 » by 76ciology » Thu May 30, 2024 4:34 am

Mik317 wrote:what are yall thoughts on Jared McCain?


I view him as having Seth Curry's offensive skills combined with last season's Kyle Lowry's defense, along with significantly better rebounding.

He’d be a good player but he’s not a good fit. He’d perform best when playing with Embiid during non-Maxey minutes, as I don't think he fits well with Maxey.
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#676 » by 76ciology » Thu May 30, 2024 4:38 am

the_process wrote:Late to the party. This Da Silva kid... plug and play low ceiling high floor? That about right?


I’d rather take my chances on Furphy or Kyshawn.

Not a fan of Silva’s rebounding and stocks numbers for him to be a good fit on our team. He’s just a different shade of Tobias
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#677 » by Kobblehead » Thu May 30, 2024 12:51 pm

Cam Christie staying in the draft is interesting. I think he's the most slept on freshman. He's solid athletically, he's taller than 6'4" without shoes, and he can shoot.

If the Knicks want to package to move up, I wouldn't mind making a deal with them.

Taking Kyshawn George at #24 and Cam Christie at #25 would be interesting.

Perhaps solving longterm solutions to both SG and SF with young guys with size and shooting playstyle.
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Post#678 » by mjkvol » Thu May 30, 2024 1:02 pm

Sears going back to Alabama is interesting. They are stacked and have to be an early Final Four favorite, and I'm sure he's getting a nice NIL package. Thing is, his stock will never be higher than it is right now and in a weaker draft he was likely to have been an early 2nd at worst.
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Post#679 » by Kobblehead » Thu May 30, 2024 1:10 pm

mjkvol wrote:Sears going back to Alabama is interesting. They are stacked and have to be an early Final Four favorite, and I'm sure he's getting a nice NIL package. Thing is, his stock will never be higher than it is right now and in a weaker draft he was likely to have been an early 2nd at worst.

Him measuring at 5'10.25" at the combine pretty much ending his NBA hopes. I don't think he would have been drafted.

His NBA comp Jalen Brunson measured at 6'1" without shoes. Sears is just too small.
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Post#680 » by mjkvol » Thu May 30, 2024 3:33 pm

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mjkvol wrote:Sears going back to Alabama is interesting. They are stacked and have to be an early Final Four favorite, and I'm sure he's getting a nice NIL package. Thing is, his stock will never be higher than it is right now and in a weaker draft he was likely to have been an early 2nd at worst.

Him measuring at 5'10.25" at the combine pretty much ending his NBA hopes. I don't think he would have been drafted.

His NBA comp Jalen Brunson measured at 6'1" without shoes. Sears is just too small.


Wow, didn't realize he was that short. Looks like international ball for him.

He's skilled enough that I can imagine NBA teams giving him a look.
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