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**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1541 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jun 6, 2024 9:03 pm

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Thanks for sharing--I like the process it went thru. Def starts off with some lofty comparisons. I think comparing Carter to most any star PG is a bit of a stretch, especially the top guys where it's a comparison of 19 year old freshman stats vs a 22 year old player who had a big jump in year 3.

I'm totally IN on Miami drafting Devin Carter. I think he's an excellent prospect who can be a real defensive difference maker at the next level (not just a good defender).

But, I think any comparison or expectation to a lead NBA guard is lofty and somewhat hard to justify. I'm rooting for him to achieve it though. You just look at his playstyle and playmaking stats and it's clear his Assist rate and A/TO rate is lower than most all PG and lead guard comparisons (and that's comparing his 21-22 age stats to a lot of freshmen).

My expectation for Devin Carter at the next level is to operate as a secondary ballhandler that mostly scores through line drives to the rim and catch and shoot 3s, with a spattering of on-ball work in between.

I'm very encouraged by his jump in 3 ball this season, but for the guard position, it's hard to trust his shooting profile to fully translate yet. There's not much in-between game and he doesn't have a lot of creativity or lateral movement when slashing--it's linear.

He does A LOT of things that are not part of the typical guard profile exceptionally well, and some of those things don't even show up on a stat sheet.

My comparison for him is Josh Hart (defense, rebounding, uncertain 3 ball translation). I do like the Alex Caruso comparison, as I think he can fill a similar role in the NBA and there's a chance his defense can approach that level of impact (which would be elite).

His floor is excellent. His ceiling is TBD for me.

Even without being a pure lead guard he fits the mold to a tee what Spo and the organization goes for. Spo always talks about not always needing a lead guard but more connectors. He would be similar to what Gabe Vincent brought in the combo guard role. With Jovic in the starting lineup i’d continue to have him handle the ball and create more often than not.


He's a nice piece for any team to add. That's why I love his floor. This team (short term and long term) definitely desperately needs a real infusion of offensive creation. But, I don't think we can count on any prospect to provide that. There's a handful that I believe have a higher likelihood of getting there (Collier, Topic, Carrington). But none of them touch Carter's floor and defensive profile.

All the talk about back court and front court prospects (and the lack of plus wings in this draft), watch Miami draft a wing that no one predicted lol

Jaylon Tyson is my oh chit phucker came out of nowhere Heat pick lol.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

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Interesting...I'm skeptical that NBADraft.net can be trusted as any sort of source to break info. Also skeptical that Holmes would cancel all his workouts for pick 28.


If this is true then there was a chance he was gonna fall in the second round and lose on a guarantee contract. The agent wants to secure a 1st round pick selection.
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Interesting...I'm skeptical that NBADraft.net can be trusted as any sort of source to break info. Also skeptical that Holmes would cancel all his workouts for pick 28.


If this is true then there was a chance he was gonna fall in the second round and lose on a guarantee contract. The agent wants to secure a 1st round pick selection.


I get how it would game out. I'm just suspicious of it being as simple as cancelling work outs for a commitment from pick 28.
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This kid absolutely screams Heat player. If not for drafting JJJ last year he would be high in consideration but you know what he could be a surprise pick. Looks to be a more natural shooter over JJJ. Tyson could potentially fill the role of jumbo two guard like a Jaylen Brown who also played for Cal.
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Def see the Caleb Martin comparison. Less quick twitch, but a little more nuanced.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1551 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Jun 7, 2024 6:33 am

So now we into some wings too......

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Post#1552 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Jun 7, 2024 6:58 am

Since it's agreed we're good at taking marginal talents and turning them into rotation worthy players, I think we should really use the draft to priorities RARE skillets that can't be found in the G league or developed with an undrafted players.

Those skillsets are :
1) On ball creation
2) High size/athleticism combination.

You just can't find or create them in a player, those are god given abilities.

It would be wasteful to use a rare highish pick (for us) on nice players that bring nothing special to the table. You can find guard defenders, slow spot shooters, energy bench bigs - those prototypes are coming out every year - some go in the second round and can be polished to the level or near enough. Some even go undrafted - we have examples like Strus and Robinson who got to the level of many similar shooters that other teams picked in the mid first or even higher.

We may like a lot of these safe picks that alomst guarantee us a nice rotation player - but those are not game changers to us ATM at our position. We're not 1 more nice rotation player away from a championship.

We need to focus our effort and use the draft tool to add what we can't otherwise add.

That's why the pick should be a Collier (rare creation talent) or a Ware (rare size/shooting/athleticism combo).

You can argue for a few other names as well (Edey, Carrington and Dillingham come to mind), but they better bring something Unique to the table - or else you're just treading water.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1553 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jun 7, 2024 1:00 pm

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Who needs a PG in the 1st when you got this sleeper stud in the 2nd
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I could use some big block stat lines. I love the rejection as an intimidation move. True masters of it can really impose a psychological advantage. I dont want chasing blocks in place of sound defense but sometimes, a vicious block or series can determine a run.
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Post#1557 » by DayofMourning » Fri Jun 7, 2024 2:29 pm

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I tend to sour quickly when an ATHLETE needs to learn how to play basketball vs a high IQ bball guy with limited athleticism.

"I dont know how to play basketball, but I can jump real high and I have a motor!"

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1559 » by lastb1ckman » Fri Jun 7, 2024 2:31 pm

Looking at the impact of big men in this playoffs just convinces me even more that the Heat probably should look into changing their approach a bit. We need to have some guys with top end and length, we can't keep relying on 6'8 forwards to guard everyone. Those guys will always have their place especially playing in a conference with Tatum & Brown. However, guys like Porzingis, Wemby, & Kat are just shooting over them. Bam can't do it alone, he needs back up.

Even though I still doubt the Heat would draft a player with a history of motor issues, Kel'el Ware is looking like a more and more interesting option. Same with Yves Missi, and Zach Edey. They all would be drop bigs and would not be very switchable, but we already have to play in drop and zone a lot to cover Rozier, Herro, Duncan, & Love. And if bring Highsmith back and bring in a switchable guard or wing in the 2nd round/undrafted like Ajay Mitchell, you still can put out the all defense switchable line ups. Richardson, Jaime, Jimmy, Highsmith, Bam.
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Post#1560 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 2:38 pm

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Kel'el Ware (Indiana)
Devin Carter (Providence)
Isaiah Collier (USC)
Keshad Johnson (Arizona)
Tristen Newton (UConn)

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