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penbeast0 wrote:I don't know. I agree the Wiz are a very talent light organization but if Coach K is a good defensive motivator, the difference between mediocre and bad in the NBA is a very thin line.
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Texas Chuck wrote:I didn't expect to read there were no benefits if Jordan Poole's contract disappeared from the Wizard's books completely today.
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penbeast0 wrote:Nate's a little over the top on this one, lol. It would be nice to get rid of Poole's contract and allow us to take more BYOD deals or deals to save teams money even if they don't bring in 1st round picks. But the less extreme view is that he has a point in that the team wouldn't be willing to trade significant talent or draft capital to do so because the deals that are out there to leverage that cap space would not bring us what anyone is asking to take Poole off our hands.
If Washington had the cap space and he was an UFA, Nate would never suggest signing him to the remainder of his deal. But essentially he's saying that would as good as any other choice they could make....ThunderBolt wrote:I’m going to let some of you in on a little secret I learned on realgm. If you don’t like a thread, not only do you not have to comment but you don’t even have to open it and read it. You’re welcome.
Texas Chuck wrote:penbeast0 wrote:Nate's a little over the top on this one, lol. It would be nice to get rid of Poole's contract and allow us to take more BYOD deals or deals to save teams money even if they don't bring in 1st round picks. But the less extreme view is that he has a point in that the team wouldn't be willing to trade significant talent or draft capital to do so because the deals that are out there to leverage that cap space would not bring us what anyone is asking to take Poole off our hands.
I don't think anyone is suggesting the Wizards should attach assets to dump him. Of course they shouldn't. He helps the tank. If they start to show progress in 2 years then maybe you attach stuff to turn his last year into a good player. But they are going to be terrible next year. Seems difficult to imagine their draft pick this year is going to make them good in 2 years either. So just ride it out.
But we also shouldn't pretend its the exact same having his contract or magically it going away either.
Texas Chuck wrote:So I will pick any random free agent in the league and pay them what I have to for one year to get to the floor. Done. I'm better off. I don't have 2/$68M still sitting on my books and whatever player gets my boon will not be as destructive on the court as Poole.
BDM22 wrote:babyjax13 wrote:mcfly1204 wrote:Stewart has a bad contract?...
Absolutely? $15 million a year for a center with a -2.3BPM (-1.73 LEBRON, -0.88 Darko BPM, +0.1EPM) who doesn't block shots and misses a ton of games. There is stuff there to like with the shooting and I think it is a reasonable bet that as a 23 year old there is more to come - so I don't mind attributing value to him and even giving an asset - but that value is 100 percent speculative because he is one of the worst defensive centers in the NBA. You can argue, 'well, context is a mitigating factors,' and fair enough - but you could do the same for Kuzma, too, who has only been in very bad situations.
Any positive value attributed to him is entirely speculative because, at this point, he should be playing 15-20 minutes a game (max) on a decent team as a backup center - and backup centers don't make that much. His positional versatility is pretty overrated, as well. Unless you have a switchy/stretchy 5 a la Chet, he really should be position-locked as a center. I do think he is a nice fit, specifically with Ivey, because he helps open up the lane for Ivey to get to the rim so I don't mind a bad team like Washington (or Detroit, for that matter) giving him more minutes than he would get in a different environment - but ... yah, he's a bad contract absent some pretty large leaps in his game (that I'm not forecasting but you might), and I don't think it matters if teams were rumored to be interested in him in the past.
Pistons are night and day better with Stewart on the floor, largely because he's one of the only players that is positive defensively (yes) and an above average shooter for his position. -4 when he was on the floor and a horrendous -11.5 when he was off. This does not apply to the other 2 guys that consistently start next to him like Duren and Cade.
Not to say he has no flaws (he's ideally a 3rd big on a great team), but he's always up near the top of the league at protecting the rim (check his DFG% at the rim), even on this team that has atrocious perimeter defenders and a horrible defense overall. He's also one of the better guys in the league that can play the 5 at defending switches. Even being played at the 4 all of this season and a lot of the previous season, when he is better as a stretch 5.
Stewart is the one guy on the Pistons that could be plugged into every contender and be a positive impact player on day one. There's a reason the teams that wanted him before the trade deadline were some of the best front offices in the league in Boston, OKC, and Dallas. Hell, Boston calls about him basically every offseason and trade deadline. They aren't looking to spend assets on "speculative" guys in trades, they want impact rotation players today.
Certainly you could argue the injuries from the last 2 years, though it's hard to know how much of shutting him down the last 2 years was actually injury related or draft lottery position related because the Pistons win more games when he plays. I would imagine he'd be on the floor for a lot of those games if the Pistons were fighting for a play-in spot. That's speculation though.
That $15M is going to be a whopping 8% of the salary cap in a couple of years BTW. Really solid value for a 1st big off the bench that can hit threes, defend, rebound from the 5 and 4 spots for 25mpg, which would be his best role. Bigs that can defend and shoot are the most valuable role players that exist IMO.
Pistons need to be ADDING players that can shoot threes and defend, not getting rid of them. Kuzma does neither (I wouldn't want him for free, personally) and Kispert shoots well but doesn't play D. Easy pass.
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JustBuzzin wrote:You took that personal huh?Mr Peanut wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:What did Kuzma do to deserve this?
From LA to Washington to Detroit.
Life comes at you fast! One moment you win a championship living in LA. Next moment you rotting away in Detroit.
Rotting away in his home state? Or rotting away on a franchise that's won three championships in the professional era? Can think of worse teams to rot on and don't have to look far beyond that logo under your username.
Detroit has been the worst team in basketball for years now.
Mr Peanut wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:You took that personal huh?Mr Peanut wrote:
Rotting away in his home state? Or rotting away on a franchise that's won three championships in the professional era? Can think of worse teams to rot on and don't have to look far beyond that logo under your username.
Detroit has been the worst team in basketball for years now.
There's an old saying: those supporting historically poverty franchises shouldn't cast the first stone.
JustBuzzin wrote:Mr Peanut wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:You took that personal huh?
Detroit has been the worst team in basketball for years now.
There's an old saying: those supporting historically poverty franchises shouldn't cast the first stone.
This a message board bro.
Detroit has been one of the worst teams in basketball for the past few years. It's okay to tell the truth you know.
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