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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#861 » by FrieAaron » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:02 pm

Dunn obviously could be elite defensively, but how good does he have to be to make up for being a 50% FT shooter? Teams will likely be able to completely ignore him on the perimeter.
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Post#862 » by emunney » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:10 pm

FrieAaron wrote:Dunn obviously could be elite defensively, but how good does he have to be to make up for being a 50% FT shooter? Teams will likely be able to completely ignore him on the perimeter.


I would hope they do so he could crash more easily. (This is not an in-bad-taste Ryan Dunn from Jackass joke, but paradoxically it now is.)
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Post#863 » by buckboy » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:16 pm

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Doubt he falls to 33 now but at 23 I wouldn’t be mad either unless one of the bigs I’m high on is still there (Ware, Holmes, Edey)
I am willing to bet he goes before that.


I'll be shocked if he doesn't go in the lottery. No chance he's there at 23.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#864 » by Matches Malone » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:49 pm

Cam Christie worked out as well

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Post#865 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:29 pm

If they keep 23 I think it’s all but certain they take Tyson or Dunn, and I felt that way even before we worked out Dunn.
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Post#866 » by Frank Nova » Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:53 pm

Isaiah Collier is an intriguing name being linked to the Bucks at 23 this late in the process. I’d certainly be on board with selecting him because he’s good and if he’s there at 23 that means all the bigs are gone. Collier did some real nice stuff last year at USC, he’s got some serious athleticism and he’s built like a wrecking ball. That could be a really fun pick.
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Post#867 » by Frank Nova » Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:43 pm

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Post#868 » by Bernman » Fri Jun 14, 2024 11:11 pm

Coleman Hawkins went to K-State for $2m. It's an odd time when you can make more in college than as an NBA 2nd rd pick.
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Post#869 » by buckboy » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:49 am

Matches Malone wrote:Cam Christie worked out as well

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I'd be thrilled with Tyson personally.

I really don't know why he'd be available at 23 let alone 33.
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Post#870 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:55 am

DaRon Holmes continues to be an obvious fit for a team that desperately needs a mobile center for playoff basketball. The fact that he'll also be the best offensive player available to us is a bonus.
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Post#871 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:33 am

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I'd be thrilled with Tyson personally.

I really don't know why he'd be available at 23 let alone 33.


He's a bad defender, and he shoots too much for a player with a 56TS%, and he's turnover prone. There's teams that might want a volume scorer, but he's be a rough fit for us
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Post#872 » by Matches Malone » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:46 am

I wouldn't say bad defender. He's not great, but there's room to grow and he's willing. Offensive bag is versatile for the next level. He's a smart player, high IQ, absorbs contact well and is a good cutter. Think there could be a lot worse fits than Tyson.
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Post#873 » by buckboy » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:57 pm

Yeah he's not a bad defender and certainly has potential in that area.


He definitely needs to improve on the turnovers.
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Post#874 » by Bernman » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:55 pm

Frank Nova wrote:Isaiah Collier is an intriguing name being linked to the Bucks at 23 this late in the process. I’d certainly be on board with selecting him because he’s good and if he’s there at 23 that means all the bigs are gone. Collier did some real nice stuff last year at USC, he’s got some serious athleticism and he’s built like a wrecking ball. That could be a really fun pick.


I see strong Rashad Vaughn parallels. Team was bad in spite of having prospects, suspect defense, volume scorer but questionable feel. I'd be pretty miffed by that pick.
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Post#875 » by machu46 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:26 pm

Frank Nova wrote:Isaiah Collier is an intriguing name being linked to the Bucks at 23 this late in the process. I’d certainly be on board with selecting him because he’s good and if he’s there at 23 that means all the bigs are gone. Collier did some real nice stuff last year at USC, he’s got some serious athleticism and he’s built like a wrecking ball. That could be a really fun pick.

I don’t think Collier is a great fit for what we need next season but I think his talent level would be too high for me to pass on. Could pay dividends long term (and even potentially short term off the bench).

I get the Vaughn parallels to an extent but Collier is a PG. Vaughn never tried to create for anyone but himself. I also tend to think drafting Vaughn was an okay decision; he just never developed. Sometimes the rationale behind the pick is correct but it still doesn't work out and that's okay.


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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#876 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:32 pm

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Frank Nova wrote:Isaiah Collier is an intriguing name being linked to the Bucks at 23 this late in the process. I’d certainly be on board with selecting him because he’s good and if he’s there at 23 that means all the bigs are gone. Collier did some real nice stuff last year at USC, he’s got some serious athleticism and he’s built like a wrecking ball. That could be a really fun pick.

I don’t think Collier is a great fit for what we need next season but I think his talent level would be too high for me to pass on. Could pay dividends long term (and even potentially short term off the bench).

I get the Vaughn parallels to an extent but Collier is a PG. Vaughn never tried to create for anyone but himself. I also tend to think drafting Vaughn was an okay decision; he just never developed. Sometimes the rationale behind the pick is correct but it still doesn't work out and that's okay.


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USC was a poorly coached team, and Collier will benefit greatly from the NBAs style. He's similar to Bledsoe coming out, but didn't have Bledsoe's wingspan.

If we can't trade for a combo guard to start at the 2 and backup the 1, then we'll need a backup PG.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#877 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:36 pm

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Frank Nova wrote:Isaiah Collier is an intriguing name being linked to the Bucks at 23 this late in the process. I’d certainly be on board with selecting him because he’s good and if he’s there at 23 that means all the bigs are gone. Collier did some real nice stuff last year at USC, he’s got some serious athleticism and he’s built like a wrecking ball. That could be a really fun pick.


I see strong Rashad Vaughn parallels. Team was bad in spite of having prospects, suspect defense, volume scorer but questionable feel. I'd be pretty miffed by that pick.


Rashad Vaughn had terrible character. He simply was completely non competitive. Collier goes hard.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#878 » by M-C-G » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:12 pm

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Frank Nova wrote:Isaiah Collier is an intriguing name being linked to the Bucks at 23 this late in the process. I’d certainly be on board with selecting him because he’s good and if he’s there at 23 that means all the bigs are gone. Collier did some real nice stuff last year at USC, he’s got some serious athleticism and he’s built like a wrecking ball. That could be a really fun pick.


I see strong Rashad Vaughn parallels. Team was bad in spite of having prospects, suspect defense, volume scorer but questionable feel. I'd be pretty miffed by that pick.


Rashad Vaughn had terrible character. He simply was completely non competitive. Collier goes hard.


Unpopular opinion, but I think Vaughn could have been good if he stayed in school and/or went to a situation where he wasn’t being jerked around by Kidd.

I will say that nonchalant attitude concerns me about Marjon. I think both guys have NBA talent but they need to light a fire under their own asses to make it. In Vaughns case he obviously never did. Marjon might not be far behind
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#879 » by emunney » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:25 pm

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Frank Nova wrote:Isaiah Collier is an intriguing name being linked to the Bucks at 23 this late in the process. I’d certainly be on board with selecting him because he’s good and if he’s there at 23 that means all the bigs are gone. Collier did some real nice stuff last year at USC, he’s got some serious athleticism and he’s built like a wrecking ball. That could be a really fun pick.


I see strong Rashad Vaughn parallels. Team was bad in spite of having prospects, suspect defense, volume scorer but questionable feel. I'd be pretty miffed by that pick.


USC struggled because they didn't have a single quality NCAA big on the roster. I thought Collier was pretty impressive. Arguably the best freshman in college (in an extremely lean year for college freshman, no doubt). Not a great fit for us but he's a potential building block for somebody. I would pick him despite the fit issues. He's a talent. Really tough with a deep bag. My concern is that he might be an early bloomer; not a skill match, but as a prospect comparison I'd lean closer to Mayo.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#880 » by Bernman » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:42 pm

emunney wrote:USC struggled because they didn't have a single quality NCAA big on the roster. I thought Collier was pretty impressive. Arguably the best freshman in college (in an extremely lean year for college freshman, no doubt). Not a great fit for us but he's a potential building block for somebody. I would pick him despite the fit issues. He's a talent. Really tough with a deep bag. My concern is that he might be an early bloomer; not a skill match, but as a prospect comparison I'd lean closer to Mayo.


I agree w/ the early bloomer part. He's physically stout. That's another way in which he's like Vaughn. But the height/length is sub-standard for Collier if he can't guard 1's & run an offense, which I don't think he can. Tweener too.

Holland is a similar case of a guy who was on a loser team that afforded him the ability to be higher usage than he should have been. Makes them overrated bcuz they have good volume stats at young age.

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