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[soxperry]

You think he's going to retire next summer? I doubt that.

If he wants to cash in one more time and doesn’t care who he plays for, so be it. But much like Giannis, I’ll assume Middleton is staying until I see him on another team.


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Not to sound cold, but this is really bad asset management. The entire goal should be extending the window with Giannis. Letting guys like Middleton, Dame, and Brook retire as Bucks is dumb.

I dont think thats possible.

We got two years probably

[-Jragon-]

This is the type of re-tool that would be awesome.

That's one bad offense without Middleton. We didn't have enough guys that could dribble before, and now the wings are Dort and Murray. Our lack of ball handling gets exposed in the playoffs, as does Dorts shooting.

Always thought that being in a win now mode any trade you make especially if its midds you would want a return thats equal or better than midds value.
That trade fu... sucks again midds isnt going anywhere its brook portis and etc the big 3 will stay

PSA trading KM for 2 or more assets that are athletic, play D, hustle, and have some offensive skill is not a step backwards. And no they don't HAVE to be star players nor be able to take guys off the dribble. This isn't playground or Y ball. These kind of players is what you need to give Indy and Boston fits. Dame and Giannis can run the show and set people up.

[-Jragon-]

If he wants to cash in one more time and doesn’t care who he plays for, so be it. But much like Giannis, I’ll assume Middleton is staying until I see him on another team.


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Not to sound cold, but this is really bad asset management. The entire goal should be extending the window with Giannis. Letting guys like Middleton, Dame, and Brook retire as Bucks is dumb.

I dont think thats possible.

We got two years probably

Yep this... only a KM PR guy would think letting these cats retire here instead of get value for them is a great idea

[emunney]

Not to sound cold, but this is really bad asset management. The entire goal should be extending the window with Giannis. Letting guys like Middleton, Dame, and Brook retire as Bucks is dumb.

I dont think thats possible.

We got two years probably

Yep this... only a KM PR guy would think letting these cats retire here instead of get value for them is a great idea

Think sox is saying this is it with Giannis. In two years he's either gone or no longer good enough for us to remain in contention, no matter what moves we make.

I don't buy it, but I do think next year is the most important year, followed by the next year, followed by the next year...

[JayMKE]

Its nonsense to say Giannis has 2 years until he falls off when he hasn’t suffered any serious injury and put up his most efficient season on offense, the issue is & remains that half the team around Giannis is ~2 years from retirement on their last legs. The window can be extended but it means not doubling down on this core and making some ballsy decisions. Defense ffs!

[ShootingtheJ]

I don't think Chicago is looking to trade White, but I wonder how close this gets us:

MKE: White
SAC: Portis
CHI: Mitchell, Vezenkov, #13, #23

or

MKE: White
MEM: Portis, #23
CHI: Ziaire, Konchar, #9

White would be a perfect hit here. He'd hit so many 3s here, but also give us a secondary ball handler with the 1st unit, he was a solid PoA defender, and he'd be our backup PG. It might take assets from Brook and Bobby trades, but still likely worth it.

However, I think it's just less likely with Caruso gone. It does give me hope though that their negotiations with DDR haven't been fruitful. That might lead them into a full rebuild.

[machu46]

If he wants to cash in one more time and doesn’t care who he plays for, so be it. But much like Giannis, I’ll assume Middleton is staying until I see him on another team.


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Not to sound cold, but this is really bad asset management. The entire goal should be extending the window with Giannis. Letting guys like Middleton, Dame, and Brook retire as Bucks is dumb.

It really depends what offers are out there. If we’re talking stuff like some have proposed here where guys like Giddey are the main piece coming back, I’d much rather continue having Middleton, especially if he continues taking relative discounts to be here.

If we can turn him into Paul George or something, I’m definitely listening but nobody here has proposed a Middleton deal that's even remotely tempting to me (with the exception of that bonkers Clippers one someone proposed tonight). Trading him for a **** package is worse asset management than keeping him.


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Elaborating on this a bit more, Middleton trades I've found in a cursory search here:

1. Combining a bunch of trades here, but Middleton, Portis, Connaughton, and 23 for Kris Murray, Isaiah Stewart, Lu Dort, Vezenkov, and #13. RiotPunch projects us taking Devin Carter with #13 which helps a lot for me as I have him #3 on my big board. I don't see him falling to #13, but if he did, I could probably live with this trade. Not sure if I'd really WANT to do it, but again, the Carter part of it is doing some heavy lifting for me.

2. Middleton for Collin Sexton and Wendell Carter. Easy pass IMO but I am admittedly not a Wendell Carter fan and BroncoBuck is projecting him as our starting C here (after a follow up Brook trade).

3. Middleton and Connaughton for Harrison Barnes, Kevin Huerter, and Keon Ellis. This was your trade and to your credit, you mentioned the Kings could potentially throw in #13 if needed. This isn't remotely interesting to me without #13 and is probably still a pretty easy no if #13 is added in.

4. Lillard and Middleton for Trae Young, Jonathan Isaac, and Cole Anthony. No thank you.

5. Middleton and Connaughton for Karl-Anthony Towns. I'd probably do this but it obviously requires us to make another trade of Bobby and or Brook for wing help. I highly doubt Minnesota would have any interest though.

6. Middleton and Beauchamp for Tari Eason, Dillon Brooks, and Cam Whitmore. Probably a pass but it is mildly interesting to think about a move like this. Think it may be going a little too young for a team built around Giannis and Dame but I get the logic of it if you're someone that loves Eason.

7. Middleton for Marcus Smart and Brandon Clarke. Short of the Giddey one that I couldn't find receipts for, this is probably the worst I've seen.

8. Middleton for DiVincenzo, Hartenstein (not sure how), Mitch Robinson, and 3 1st round picks. Not sure how this would work with Hartenstein being a free agent and us not being able to do sign-and-trades but feels like this makes us a much worse team barring whatever we trade the 1st round picks for.

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks get: Eason, Aaron Wiggins
Pelicans get: Simons, Lopez
Rockets get: Ingram, Alvarado
Trailblazers get: #3, Connaughton, Londale
Thunder get: Adams

Bucks get massive TPE, and can use the full MLE. Rockets land Ingram, who they're pursuing. Pelicans get there stretch 5, and a PG. Blazers get #3, which they're pursuing. Londale only becomes partially guaranteed, they can waive the rest. Thunder has expressed interest in adding "a different type of center". Sounds like they want a bruiser.

[Daver]

Just a little tidbit i read:for anyone saying the bucks are so old

The average age of the Milwaukee Bucks' starting five is 31.4 years old.

The average age of the Boston Celtics starting five in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals (with 37-year-old Al Horford) was 30.4.

Understand thats with horford starting but with KP it dropped to 30 7 just saying doesnt seem like a huge difference between the champs and us

[German Athens]

If we did drop far enough to get the full MLE, are we thinking that would nab Melton?

[ShootingtheJ]

Just a little tidbit i read:for anyone saying the bucks are so old

The average age of the Milwaukee Bucks' starting five is 31.4 years old.

The average age of the Boston Celtics starting five in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals (with 37-year-old Al Horford) was 30.4.

Understand thats with horford starting but with KP it dropped to 30 7 just saying doesnt seem like a huge difference between the champs and us

Well said. Now replace Beas and Brook with young, athletic players, and we're ready.

[German Athens]

I keep coming back to Moody as a two-way wing to target. I think he needs to continue to improve on typical young player things like defensive processing speed when he’s off-ball, and he needs to quicken his shot, but he’s nicely active on defense and has a very nice shooting base to improve.

GSW would apparently love Bobby, so make it a 3 team deal, and we may be able to pull a bit more assets out of the warriors.

What they decide to do with Klay will likely dictate what they do with Moody, though; so, we’ll have to wait and see.

[ShootingtheJ]

If we did drop far enough to get the full MLE, are we thinking that would nab Melton?

I didn't plan that far ahead. I still want to move Bobby too. I want to add a switchable center yet, and wouldn't mind a more dynamic SG. Melton is nice. Dynamic? Not really.

[ShootingtheJ]

I keep coming back to Moody as a two-way wing to target. I think he needs to continue to improve on typical young player things like defensive processing speed when he’s off-ball, and he needs to quicken his shot, but he’s nicely active on defense and has a very nice shooting base to improve.

GSW would apparently love Bobby, so make it a 3 team deal, and we may be able to pull a bit more assets out of the warriors.

What they decide to do with Klay will likely dictate what they do with Moody, though; so, we’ll have to wait and see.

Moody is intriguing, but when I compare his year 2 to Marjon, they're incredibly similar. Marjon just needs experience, just like Moody did/does.

[raferfenix]

Trayce Jackson-Davis is also someone I’ve been coming back to.

Warriors could be into either Bobby or Brook (and his ending contract).

Latest report is they may trade CP3 rather than bank the savings, and aren’t going to buy out Looney.

Klay Thompson leaving makes a lot else possible for them financially which could be the explanation.

"They’ve been actively searching for paths to larger-scale upgrades, using Chris Paul’s non-guaranteed $30 million contract as a flexible tool," Slater wrote. "There’s been talk with Paul about possibly pushing that guarantee date back from June 28 into July, if necessary, per league sources, which would only be telling Thompson to wait longer."

Slater added that Golden State is also not expected to waive veteran center Kevon Looney, despite speculation suggesting otherwise, as his $8M salary could also be used to help facilitate a trade.

https://www.si.com/nba/warriors/news/golden-state-warriors-reportedly-preparing-for-big-trade-01j1118famqb

[Frank Nova]

Pass on Melton. Draft Tristen Newton instead and use the TPMLE elsewhere if we can get there. Melton is inconsistent and often injured, he’s better in theory imo.

[raferfenix]

You wanna get nuts? Let’s get nuts.

Not my idea mind you but thinking about it — especially in context of Windy floating Bucks looking at blockbusters too.

Gist of this scenario Bleacher Report’s Allen Stiles floats is Middleton for Wiggins, Moody and Porziemski specifying “I know a lot of people are high on Porziemski.”

Not sure about the pieces he involves. I’d imagine one of Bobby or Brook would be heading to Golden State. And I wonder if Trayce Jackson-Davis would be coming here. Maybe even CP3 (perhaps even instead of Wiggins) if we want to use the tpmle and still have 2nd apron breathing room.

Big thing is Warriors targeting Middleton which I hadn’t considered much before:

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/golden-state-warriors/nba-trade-rumors-news-milwaukee-bucks/amp/

[soxperry]

I dont think thats possible.

We got two years probably

Yep this... only a KM PR guy would think letting these cats retire here instead of get value for them is a great idea

Think sox is saying this is it with Giannis. In two years he's either gone or no longer good enough for us to remain in contention, no matter what moves we make.

I don't buy it, but I do think next year is the most important year, followed by the next year, followed by the next year...

No, its about Dame.

While we are definitely in the realistic contender tier right now, when Dame takes another step back, thats it. Theres no move you can make after that to put us back into true contention.

Giannis continues to be elite and i think he still has some great years ahead of him, but without the right supporting cast its just not going to be enough. The league has gotten too good and some of these up and coming teams still have assets to spend to improve even more.

So im all for trading Khris if it fits an identity that we feel can make us better right now. But im not trading Khris thinking that it sets us up for the next window because i think that's impossible.

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[soxperry]

Lol...

Pat is such a weird player. Ill miss him though.