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Post#421 » by Ballings7 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:15 pm

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Ballings7 wrote:I don't see Paul George coming back, and overall if I had to choose? I'd rather see him go for flexibility.

I do believe Harden comes back because Harden is in a place where I think he wants to "chill" but have fun and play meaningful, competitive basketball to end his career... he will do that for a couple years with Kawhi + Zu + Mann, Powell, maybe Russ'. I also think he knows the Clippers know he doesn't have other apparent options from decent teams.

Random: Would I do a Jimmy Butler swap if that somehow happened? Another mid-30s, injury-prone player -- but yes, because he has played more in the postseason and plays big-time in the playoffs. I don't think those days are over or degraded too much, and Jimmy can still 'ball at a high-level for another couple seasons.

Kawhi and Jimmy Butler on the same team healthy (enough :) )for the next two seasons would still be awesome. : )

I hope Jeff Van Gundy influences the team to get "knife fighters" and more defensive size in front court.

Jimmy Butler = knife fighter


I would much rather have Butler than PG, but why would Miami make such a trade?


I think if Miami wants to move on as rumored, PG may be a decent canidate for them to still win-now and tweak their team around on the wing. Miami could feel that George as "the man" on the wing could be a boost in his play + new scenery in Miami. George's 2021 playoff run and 2024 playoff run are nearly opposite, but -- different systems and conferences can make a difference and bring that back.

And, I'm exaggerating that rumor a bit here of course -- but I think its something that could be explored by either team based on both Butler and George's situations being up in the air, being similar players in terms of age/durability, and both probably prefer warmer cities at this time in their career.

I think its a good match for both teams, and options to switch up their primary wing players.

We'll see. Butler in Miami is something to monitor.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#422 » by Ballings7 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:46 pm

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At 35m40s Butler for George comes up : ).

Marks says Miami would get hardcapped in a 1 for 1 trade for George..

Zach Lowe also thinks Butler/Miami are at a crossroads.

I guess Miami is also currently on the 2nd apron like the Clips.

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#423 » by madmaxmedia » Sat Jun 22, 2024 2:43 am

I thought the Giddy Caruso trade is not so bad for the Bulls, they get a much younger player at a position of need. Keeping Caruso would be the treadmill move and then losing him to free agency anyway. OTOH I’m not that familiar with Giddey…


213 Hoops had some PG opt-in and trade ideas that I thought were pretty reasonable or at least plausible. I do think if there’s an opt in and trade request the field opens up considerably for us.


If Philly has decided to search elsewhere, TBH I’m still thinking PG’s best bet is to take the 3/$150M than risk injury, etc. to opt in and chase more, plus he stays in LA assuming that’s his #1 destination.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#424 » by MartinToVaught » Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:43 pm

I love me some Playoff Jimmy, but actually getting to the playoffs would be a problem when he's so injury-prone (which will only get worse as he gets older) and openly admits to not caring about the regular season. The Heat have the best coach in the league and well-constructed rosters and are still a perennial play-in team because of those limitations. Now imagine how it'd work with Lue and our imbalanced nursing home roster.

We've already been going through this routine every year with Kawhi and it's already untenable with just him. Both stars being in that mold is a recipe for disaster. We need younger players who we can count on to actually play.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#425 » by KL2 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:44 am

We still have another 1-2 weeks of this. Yaaaaay.

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Post#427 » by Ballings7 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:05 pm

Not a fan of the Tobias Harris stuff, even if it brings in a draft pick.

Tobias isn't a medicore player, but just not what the team needs in the starting line up.
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Post#428 » by KL2 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 5:16 pm

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Post#430 » by esqtvd » Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:22 am

Read the comments. Not their fault but pretty much every option sucks. :noway:

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#431 » by Captain Ballmer » Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:37 am

PG loves this attention. Even if he accepts the offer we gave him, he will hold this until the very end the promote his "relevance" his podcast benefits after all.
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Post#432 » by esqtvd » Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:40 am

Ballings7 wrote:Not a fan of the Tobias Harris stuff, even if it brings in a draft pick.

Tobias isn't a mediocre player, but just not what the team needs in the starting line up.



And Terance Mann is? Let's get serious here. It's not even close.

https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2024/06/23/report-clippers-have-some-level-of-interest-in-sixers-tobias-harris/
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#433 » by TrueLAfan » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:26 pm

First—if possible, I want to keep Russell Westbrook. His player option is for $4 million. That’s peanuts. He’s diminished (a lot) as a p[ayer but, ffs, he’s worth $4 million as a mentor and leader. The problem is getting him to accept that, really, he’s going to gradually be moving behind Bones Hyland in the rotation and helping the kid out.

I like Tobias Harris as a player and for what he can give us—consistent, decent play at PF. Look, there’s a reason why good teams are interested in him. My problem with anything involving Tobias is the lack of picks the Sixers have. I mean, they’ve got nothing—and nothing like equal or even close in player return.

The Knicks are, to me, the obvious destination for PG. They’ve got a ton of picks, they’re near the top in terms of having a championship team that needs a starf to get them over the top, and they’ve got players we could use and they either want to get rid of or aren’t crazy about – specifically, Julius Randle and Bojan Bogdanovic. Bogdonovic is old, but he can still play at a good level on both ends. He’s still a good shooter and scorer. He can’t keep up with quicker wings, but he gets good position; he’s a smart player. He’s a moderately significant downgrade from Paul George in that he’s an average to slightly above average starter—but he could and will play 60-70 games at 30 mpg wherever he goes next year. But I think we’d make that up with Randle. I know, I know … Randle is a problem. He hasn’t been a playoff guy. He’s coming off an injury season. But that’s why he might be available. You have to look at the pluses. He’s a true PF, which takes pressure of Kawhi. He gets a lot of boards and scores well. He can shoot on the perimeter. He’s a very good passer for his position. Prior to last year, he’d played in 90% of his team’s games over the last 8 years—and he’ll only be 29 at the start of next season. I think the package to go for is Randle + Bogdonovic plus a couple of mid level picks—Milwaukee’s first next year and the Knick’s pick in 2027 sound good—would push me toward that deal.

That’s if we don’t keep PG. I’m ambivalent about that. He’s a good player. Always has been. But he lacks an edge that would make him a true alpha guy. (I think he’d play terrific alongside Brunson, who is very much that type of player.) Personally, I think some of the “interest” from other teams is strictly to see if Ballmer will open his pocketbook without thinking. The fact that he isn’t is a good thing, IMO. Our offer for PG is fine. I wouldn’t change it a bit. If he wants more and is willing to go to a better team, opt in and send him to New York (or Orlando—I won’t go into it here, but they’ve also got plenty of pieces and enough picks to make a great package).

I’d keep Harden, and I’m kind of amazed I’m saying that. I didn’t want him. I question his work ethic. But he played well for us. He was sterling in the first four playoff games and terrible in the last two and I hate the inconsistency and inability to play well at closing time. (Still—25-8-4 in the first four games). I think/hope we’ll offer a 3 year/$100 million deal … I think making it to triple digits will be a pride thing that would help us. I’d have a 15 million buyout for year 3; he’d end up making as much if he exercised it. And I’d have decreasing salaries--$35 million, 33.5 million, $31.5 million.

I think the team is going to be watching Team Bahamas very closely in the Olympics – partly because they have a really decent team (Ayton, Hield, Gordon, maybe Klay Thompson). And partly because it looks like their backup big can/will be Kai Jones.

If we get Randle, keep Theis. If we resign and don’t trade PG, keep Plum.

What that would mean, if we traded PG to New York, is that we’d have a lineup of

C—Zu
PF—Randle
SF—Kawhi
SG— Bogdonovic
PG—Harden

Bench:
Mann
Powell
Theis
Westbrook/Bones
Coffey
Jones
Brown/P.J.

…with some draft picks now in the cupboard.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#436 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:52 pm

The sooner, the better. Trade him to whoever offers the most draft picks.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#437 » by esqtvd » Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:58 pm

How did Ballmer and the Dubs ever agree to this? Especially coming into force so soon with no time to prepare? Friggin' disaster.

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#438 » by Clemenza » Mon Jun 24, 2024 8:01 pm

We're considering Tobias "zero points in an elimination game" Harris? He was also another player we moved right after Blake and got tremendously better.
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Post#439 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:25 pm

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#440 » by KL2 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:37 am

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