Free Agency

[catari11]

I'd rather trade for Grant than sign Tobias.



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No kidding. Grant is clearly the superior player. I don't understand why the Pistons would have any interest in Harris. He doesn't move the needle at all. Even if he came off the bench, I don't see him as a big difference maker.

[TC-Flint]

At this point in his career, Tobias will want nothing to do with a 14 win team.

[MotownMadness]

At this point in his career, Tobias will want nothing to do with a 14 win team.

He don't really have many options and his wife is from here

[theBigLip]

At this point in his career, Tobias will want nothing to do with a 14 win team.

He don't really have many options and his wife is from here

I think a lot is going to depend how long the raw cap space for the entire league is available. Does PG13, Klay, Hartenstein, etc jump teams? If so, that takes up the cap space so guys like Harris will have fewer choices. I’m rooting for every free agent to jump ship - it just makes our cap space more valuable and the remaining free agents more desperate.

[Pharaoh]

At this point in his career, Tobias will want nothing to do with a 14 win team.

He don't really have many options and his wife is from here

I think a lot is going to depend how long the raw cap space for the entire league is available. Does PG13, Klay, Hartenstein, etc jump teams? If so, that takes up the cap space so guys like Harris will have fewer choices. I’m rooting for every free agent to jump ship - it just makes our cap space more valuable and the remaining free agents more desperate.

I could see Philly attempt to spend their cap either in free agency or via a trade and then go over the cap to retain Tobias.

He'd be a quality 4th option for them.

Here? He'd be miscast as a #2 and that doesn't help anyone.

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[theBigLip]

He don't really have many options and his wife is from here

I think a lot is going to depend how long the raw cap space for the entire league is available. Does PG13, Klay, Hartenstein, etc jump teams? If so, that takes up the cap space so guys like Harris will have fewer choices. I’m rooting for every free agent to jump ship - it just makes our cap space more valuable and the remaining free agents more desperate.

I could see Philly attempt to spend their cap either in free agency or via a trade and then go over the cap to retain Tobias.

He'd be a quality 4th option for them.

Here? He'd be miscast as a #2 and that doesn't help anyone.

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Agreed. With our cap space I'd like to get 3-4 guys that can play and are under 30. If we want a couple of old mentors around, we can pay the vet min for that.

[buzzkilloton]

At this point in his career, Tobias will want nothing to do with a 14 win team.

Tobias Harris has his father for a agent. Hes very good at extracting the maximum amount of cash for his son. We can offer the most money. Also as stated above there are family connections in Detroit.

We have known this was a likely outcome of the offseason for awhile. Edwards alluded it to multiple times throughout the season. There were reports that multiple execs across the league thought he would come here during midseason.

This was a really bad FA period to have a bunch of cash. Weaver should of set us up with a diff player already or made it so our space was locked in sin eating for draft capital. Now were sitting here with a huge bag and if we cant find a solid offer to sin eat for draft capital we will be overpaying Harris as expected.

[Mr Peanut]

Miles Bridges for the #5 pick?

Yes, let's waste a high lottery pick to trade for a guy that we could just offer the most money to and sign outright (not that I would advocate for that). Smart thinking.

[dVs33]

I don't hate getting Harris but it's all dependent on the contract. Can't be too long or high.
I don't think it's plan A for the new FO.


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[MortSahlfan]

Tobias will be 32. He scored 0 points in Philly's most important game. Instead of just grabbing and overpaying who is available, why not just trade for the player we need? Mikal Bridges. Defenders who can score. We know you must play defense, so why constantly delay this?

[buzzkilloton]

Tobias will be 32. He scored 0 points in Philly's most important game. Instead of just grabbing and overpaying who is available, why not just trade for the player we need? Mikal Bridges. Defenders who can score. We know you must play defense, so why constantly delay this?

Yup that playoff series Harris looked very washed. 9 7 1.5 43% FG 33% 3pt in 36.4mpg. Hes going to be 32 next season the decline is here.

I was hoping that with Troy gone we would be going in a diff direction now. Seeing these reports from Shams though makes me think diff. Hopefully this is just his father leaking stuff to pump up the price on him and were really not interested anymore.

[7r5ur]

I'd rather sign Tobias to a high money but short-term 2 year deal than give up any assets for 4 years of Grant on a bloated contract. If we can basically just get Grant for free, sure.

[ducler]

Hope we don't max Cade this summer also

[7r5ur]

Tobias will be 32. He scored 0 points in Philly's most important game. Instead of just grabbing and overpaying who is available, why not just trade for the player we need? Mikal Bridges. Defenders who can score. We know you must play defense, so why constantly delay this?

Yup that playoff series Harris looked very washed. 9 7 1.5 43% FG 33% 3pt in 36.4mpg. Hes going to be 32 next season the decline is here.

I was hoping that with Troy gone we would be going in a diff direction now. Seeing these reports from Shams though makes me think diff. Hopefully this is just his father leaking stuff to pump up the price on him and were really not interested anymore.

I don't think Tobias magically became washed for 6 games just after the season ended where he averaged 17/7/3 on 48/35/88 splits. Maxey and Embiid combined for 64% Usage rating in the playoffs. I think it's tough to be involved much in an offense so heavily dominated by 2 guys. Probably there was some locker room stuff going on as well, which is why he ended on a game taking 2 shots.

Tobias is a good option because he has some reason to come here beyond pure money (his wife being from here) which means he's one of the only guys we may not have to 2X another team's offer to convince to come here. We can also get him on a shorter deal that will be flippable in a year or two, and we don't have to give up absolutely any assets to get him like we'd have to with Grant.

If you can save those assets for other moves, you'll have a better overall team.

[7r5ur]

I think a lot is going to depend how long the raw cap space for the entire league is available. Does PG13, Klay, Hartenstein, etc jump teams? If so, that takes up the cap space so guys like Harris will have fewer choices. I’m rooting for every free agent to jump ship - it just makes our cap space more valuable and the remaining free agents more desperate.

I could see Philly attempt to spend their cap either in free agency or via a trade and then go over the cap to retain Tobias.

He'd be a quality 4th option for them.

Here? He'd be miscast as a #2 and that doesn't help anyone.

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Agreed. With our cap space I'd like to get 3-4 guys that can play and are under 30. If we want a couple of old mentors around, we can pay the vet min for that.

I think you need vets that can actually play though. Not just minimum guys (even they'd even want to come here for that). You want some older players on the team that can get the ball late in games and make something out of it. I also don't see many players under 30 on the market that we could get who can score like Tobias can and fit the one position we really need to fill in the starting unit. I guess he who shall not be named is the one other option, but I cannot imagine Trajan goes down that road after how he talked in the presser.

I wouldn't recommend dumping half of our cap on Tobias, but if you can get him on a deal like Bojan's last deal in Detroit (60/3yr) with a TO for the 3rd year, or even a descending deal so it starts higher but he's more tradable later in the contract, I think you do it. You'd still have $40M+ to throw at other players.

[buzzkilloton]

Tobias will be 32. He scored 0 points in Philly's most important game. Instead of just grabbing and overpaying who is available, why not just trade for the player we need? Mikal Bridges. Defenders who can score. We know you must play defense, so why constantly delay this?

Yup that playoff series Harris looked very washed. 9 7 1.5 43% FG 33% 3pt in 36.4mpg. Hes going to be 32 next season the decline is here.

I was hoping that with Troy gone we would be going in a diff direction now. Seeing these reports from Shams though makes me think diff. Hopefully this is just his father leaking stuff to pump up the price on him and were really not interested anymore.

I don't think Tobias magically became washed for 6 games just after the season ended where he averaged 17/7/3 on 48/35/88 splits. Maxey and Embiid combined for 64% Usage rating in the playoffs. I think it's tough to be involved much in an offense so heavily dominated by 2 guys. Probably there was some locker room stuff going on as well, which is why he ended on a game taking 2 shots.

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Its not "magic" its a older player slowing down in the post season its a long season. I watched most of that series he looked very dusty on both ends. Go read some Sixers fans takes on him the vast majority will say the same.

Having Embiid and Maxey taking all the defensive coverage should help Tobias be efficient not hurt him. Hes a shooter getting better looks and less defensive coverage due to those two. 48% fg and 35% 3pt when you're getting great looks all the time isnt something to be excited about its league average PF numbers.

[7r5ur]

Yup that playoff series Harris looked very washed. 9 7 1.5 43% FG 33% 3pt in 36.4mpg. Hes going to be 32 next season the decline is here.

I was hoping that with Troy gone we would be going in a diff direction now. Seeing these reports from Shams though makes me think diff. Hopefully this is just his father leaking stuff to pump up the price on him and were really not interested anymore.

I don't think Tobias magically became washed for 6 games just after the season ended where he averaged 17/7/3 on 48/35/88 splits. Maxey and Embiid combined for 64% Usage rating in the playoffs. I think it's tough to be involved much in an offense so heavily dominated by 2 guys. Probably there was some locker room stuff going on as well, which is why he ended on a game taking 2 shots.

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Its not "magic" its a older player slowing down in the post season its a long season. I watched most of that series he looked very dusty on both ends. Go read some Sixers fans takes on him the vast majority will say the same.

Having Embiid and Maxey taking all the defensive coverage should help Tobias be efficient not hurt him. Hes a shooter getting better looks and less defensive coverage due to those two.

You can't just look at what Philly fans say. They're still bitter about paying him that absurd contract. That the team chose him over Jimmy Butler. That contract has nothing to do with us. He's still a starting caliber player that would fit well if he's on a rational contract.

He averaged 17/8/3/1/1 on 47/38/80 in March and April at the end of the season. Again, I don't think a switch magically flipped on March 20th and he went from a solid starter on a playoff team to totally washed. Some combo of NY's defense and Embiid/Maxey not passing the ball combined to make him have a bad series. Good. Buy low.

Even if he's just a playoff choker, spoiler alert: We aren't making the playoffs! It doesn't really matter. Let him come here on a reasonable deal, put up inflated numbers on a bad team and then flip him to a contender that is capped out in the future.

[Mr Peanut]

For posters who are not on board of the idea of acquiring a PF on a reasonable contract who averages 17/7/3 and can space the floor, what are your realistic alternatives?

The key word there being realistic. Keeping in mind that you are trying to lure players to come and play in Detroit, or trade for a player of equal or greater value than Tobias without losing a bunch of assets in a trade. Very interested to hear opinions on that.

[buzzkilloton]

For posters who are not on board of the idea of acquiring a PF on a reasonable contract who averages 17/7/3 and can space the floor, what are your realistic alternatives?

The key word there being realistic. Keeping in mind that you are trying to lure players to come and play in Detroit, or trade for a player of equal or greater value than Tobias without losing a bunch of assets in a trade. Very interested to hear opinions on that.

I dont expect Harris to come here for a reasonable contract. I expect he would come here because we can pay him well over fair market price.

I would much much rather just sin eat a bad contract and get paid assets then take on Tobias. The other option would be trading for a player that isnt dusty.

[7r5ur]

For posters who are not on board of the idea of acquiring a PF on a reasonable contract who averages 17/7/3 and can space the floor, what are your realistic alternatives?

The key word there being realistic. Keeping in mind that you are trying to lure players to come and play in Detroit, or trade for a player of equal or greater value than Tobias without losing a bunch of assets in a trade. Very interested to hear opinions on that.

The only one I'd really consider is John Collins if we can get some sort of pick to take him on. 2 years left on his deal.

I think Tobias is pretty clearly a better player for this team because he can create his own offense (Tobias 45.6% self-created FG's, Collins 21%), but if there's someone we like that falls to #29 and Utah will give us that pick to take Collins' contract, I'd consider that.

Still, if Tobias will sign here on a reasonable deal, we can bring him in, let him put up numbers, and he becomes flippable for assets pretty quickly IMO.