A history of ignoring pg & sg, and what it’s cost

[RookieStar]

Yeah we've had lots of great guards. Remember Carlos arroyo and Arron aflalo

Those scrubs got nothing on the Sassinator and Reece. Homegrown drafted guards by us.

[three3d]

Yeah we've had lots of great guards. Remember Carlos arroyo and Arron aflalo

Those scrubs got nothing on the Sassinator and Reece. Homegrown drafted guards by us.

Ugh absolutely couldn’t stand the Arroyo days

[Last Guardian]

You think having Travis Diener on your team is ignoring the guard positions?

[RookieStar]

You think having Travis Diener on your team is ignoring the guard positions?

TBF to all involved, his lordship couldn't play every game cuz not only did he have to tutor JJ in the bench on " how to bang like a man " , he had to do a book tour to promote said book " how to bang like a man " to all the virgins watching nba games.

[three3d]

Well looks like we didn’t need a pg or sg smh

[three3d]

Think this is still relevant

[The-Stallion70]

Weltman has not really drafted well here.

2017- Isaac
2018-Bamba (blown pick in a loaded draft)
2019- Okeke
2020-Cole Anthony(15th)
2021-Suggs and Franz
2022-Paolo
2023-AB and Jett
2024-TDS

If he hadn't won the lottery and plucked Paolo in 2022 im not 100% sure he'd still be here.

[three3d]

Weltman has not really drafted well here.

2017- Isaac
2018-Bamba (blown pick in a loaded draft)
2019- Okeke
2020-Cole Anthony(15th)
2021-Suggs and Franz
2022-Paolo
2023-AB and Jett
2024-TDS

If he hadn't won the lottery and plucked Paolo in 2022 im not 100% sure he'd still be here.

This is true, also I don’t want to say Franz is fools gold because I don’t think that he is. But look at Franz’s rookie year impact compared to Paolo’s rookie impact. Franz is a good player but Paolo’s impact on the team has been bigger.

[SOUL]

Weltman has not really drafted well here.

2017- Isaac
2018-Bamba (blown pick in a loaded draft)
2019- Okeke
2020-Cole Anthony(15th)
2021-Suggs and Franz
2022-Paolo
2023-AB and Jett
2024-TDS

If he hadn't won the lottery and plucked Paolo in 2022 im not 100% sure he'd still be here.

7 of those guys have been or will be rotational pieces (even with Cole's regression) and two guys are getting max contracts while Suggs looks great. Isaac obviously is injured a lot but has DPOY level defense and AB/TDS seem, at the very least, super solid connector pieces.

That is great drafting.

This board is being strange lately.

[drsd]

As much as I disliked him, I think Skiles was a pretty good PG for us.

Jameer Nelson was a Magic all-star also.

[SS_MagicMark]

What was your favorite part of the Keith Bogans era?

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[three3d]

Could also argue there is a history in this organization of not listening to your star players thus creating a divide and forcing them to want out. We lost Shaq because the franchise was young and did not want to pay him that big money, they, however, did listen to his desire to have Penny. T-Mac wanted out because he didn’t want Dwight in that draft, he actually wanted Okafor. Now we have Paolo asking for some help and it does not appear he is being listened to.

[drsd]

Weltman has not really drafted well here.

2017- Isaac
2018-Bamba (blown pick in a loaded draft)
2019- Okeke
2020-Cole Anthony(15th)
2021-Suggs and Franz
2022-Paolo
2023-AB and Jett
2024-TDS

If he hadn't won the lottery and plucked Paolo in 2022 im not 100% sure he'd still be here.

2017 - many here liked Markkanen, and he ended up the better pick. That said, nost here like Monk. So ...
2018 - trade-down was the right play as it was clear there was a path to Gilgeous-Alexander on draft night. That said, the Magic ended up with Carter, so the Bamba pick can be let go.
2019 - most here wanted Alexander-Walker. That said, the Magic ended up with Bitadze, which helps ease the Okeke-pain.
2020 - it's not like the Magic was gonna draft Maxey, so hard to disagree with Anthony.
2021 - nailed both picks
2022 - nailed the pick
2023 - no way the Magic should have stayed in the draft. But the picks are not horrible.
2024 - well, could have gone with Bronny?


So: in conclusion, the drafting was quite good actually.

[eyriq]

Weltman has not really drafted well here.

2017- Isaac
2018-Bamba (blown pick in a loaded draft)
2019- Okeke
2020-Cole Anthony(15th)
2021-Suggs and Franz
2022-Paolo
2023-AB and Jett
2024-TDS

If he hadn't won the lottery and plucked Paolo in 2022 im not 100% sure he'd still be here.

2017 - many here liked Markkanen, and he ended up the better pick. That said, nost here like Monk. So ...
2018 - trade-down was the right play as it was clear there was a path to Gilgeous-Alexander on draft night. That said, the Magic ended up with Carter, so the Bamba pick can be let go.
2019 - most here wanted Alexander-Walker. That said, the Magic ended up with Bitadze, which helps ease the Okeke-pain.
2020 - it's not like the Magic was gonna draft Maxey, so hard to disagree with Anthony.
2021 - nailed both picks
2022 - nailed the pick
2023 - no way the Magic should have stayed in the draft. But the picks are not horrible.
2024 - well, could have gone with Bronny?


So: in conclusion, the drafting was quite good actually.

The drafting is historically good. Weltman is on a run that only Presti can touch.

You can also see the difference in drafts during the re-tool vs rebuild. Different strategy, different outcomes.

[Skybox]

Could also argue there is a history in this organization of not listening to your star players thus creating a divide and forcing them to want out. We lost Shaq because the franchise was young and did not want to pay him that big money, they, however, did listen to his desire to have Penny. T-Mac wanted out because he didn’t want Dwight in that draft, he actually wanted Okafor. Now we have Paolo asking for some help and it does not appear he is being listened to.

I don’t think this is sensationalism…when so much of the offense is put on one guy’s shoulders, he might enjoy the numbers and accolades (and money) for a time, but any star gets exhausted when he also bears all the criticism for losing…that’s when you hear “selfish” “black hole on offense” “ not a winning player”. Even if the player IS selfish - he can flip the narrative in one conversation or press conference to “I’m not getting any help from this FO”.

I think Paolo has a really solid head on his shoulders - that doesn’t mean he’s beyond the above concerns. It’s a lot more than a personnel issue…we all love Mose but telling Paolo to go crash through a crowd every possession isn’t high-level support.

[VFX]

It’s not necessarily about drafting.

It’s about recognizing what your roster consists of and acquiring players to complement your core investments. They refuse to do that whatsoever.

They are mediocre at the draft. They nail top picks (sans Bamba) and kick the can down the road everywhere else.

[The-Stallion70]

We haven't really ignored it we've just done a bad job with it.