Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[vincecarter4pres]

We need to walk away from this draft or offseason with a couple pieces that feel like they may be part of a long term core. It's easier to watch bad basketball when you can be invested in the development of a few key players.

And this draft is being poorly mislabeled as bad.

There are a lot of high quality prospects in a wide 3-18ish range.

that sort of remains to be seen.

if they get into the draft i would bet on them taking more of a project (either young or euro) who we may not see much this year anyway.

I think the young guys we will watch develop this year are Clowney, Watford, Wilson, and hopefully Whitehead.

I’d be shocked if we don’t make our way into this draft twice tbh.

Can see them going for Topic if he falls because of his knee injury.

There’s word out there they really like Ron Holland as well. He fits the bill for project.

[Netaman]

And this draft is being poorly mislabeled as bad.

There are a lot of high quality prospects in a wide 3-18ish range.

that sort of remains to be seen.

if they get into the draft i would bet on them taking more of a project (either young or euro) who we may not see much this year anyway.

I think the young guys we will watch develop this year are Clowney, Watford, Wilson, and hopefully Whitehead.

I’d be shocked if we don’t make our way into this draft twice tbh.

Can see them going for Topic if he falls because of his knee injury.

There’s word out there they really like Ron Holland as well. He fits the bill for project.

I agree, I'd take the prop bet on 2 or more picks. Just think both will be young/upside picks we won't see all that much.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

A few random trade ideas I initially had to fully embrace the tank, but let me preface it by saying I'm only on board with trading Claxton for value. If a deal doesn't present itself, I say resign him to a 3 or 4 year deal at hopefully a descending rate. But Cam Johnson, Bogdanvic, DFS, and Sharpe all need to be moved in my opinion. I'd move Schroeder too if the deal is right (either now or the deadline), but I'm also fine keeping him for the year too. Simmons I'd trade in a heartbeat if the Nets were getting any positive value back for him, but that's not going to happen. So I'd rather just hang onto him and let him expire instead of attaching an asset to her rid of him.
These deals are just the central pieces, may need to add on minor players on either side to make the money work, but here we go:

1.) Sign and trade Claxton for Luke Kennard and the 9th pick. If Grizzlies miss out on trading up for Clingan, this could be a way to go. Claxton fits great next to Jaren Jackson on paper and fits the timeline they have over there age wise. Nets get an expiring sharpshooter they can flip at the deadline and a lottery pick to start developing right out of the gate.

2.) Sharpe and DFS for Kennard and a lottery protected future first. Grizzlies again as I feel like they are a really good trade partner for the Nets. Grizzlies get a 3&D veteran wing to help their young team and a rebounding center, both things they need. The rumor mill out there says they like both Sharpe and DFS.

3.) Cam Johnson (or DFS instead if the cavs doesn't want to add on 3 years of long term money in Cam) for LeVert and #20. I know it's already been discussed on the board and some say it might be a light return, but I like the move. LeVert has already been through a (partial) rebuild for the Net in the past. He is also an expiring, so the team gets off Cam's future money while picking up a pick in tonight's draft. Cavs get a three point shooter who spaces the floor. Again, rumor mill says Cavs really like Cam. Maybe they can throw a future second rounder or two in the trade as well.

4.) Cam Johnson and Sharpe for Evan Fournier and Jaden Ivey. This one I'm not sure if the Pistons would do it, but I'd love to give Ivey a chance to be the lead guard on a team as I think he has a lot of potential. Even if he doesn't pan out, still young and cheap so not a problem to move off down the road. Unfortunately, he'll never be able to get the role as long as Cade in Detroit. Fournier is just an expiring used to make the salaries close. We know Pistons were interested in Cam last year, but that was with Monty as the coach which is no longer the case. But they desperately need shooting to space the floor Cade, Ausar, and Duren - all who are well below average at the 3 ball or completely non-existent. Cam is locked up so the Pistons don't have to worry about a flight risk either, as Detroit isn't a premier free agency destination. Sharpe is a proven backup big that is young so he fits the timeline they have over there and can step up when Duren inevitably gets hurt.

5.) Cam Johnson, Schroeder, and a future second rounder for #13 and Harrison Barnes (or Kevin Heurter if they'd rather keep Barnes) and Davion Mitchell. Kings get positional upgrades at both the forward spot and the backup PG spot for the cost of the #13 pick. This move helps show Fox the kings are trying to win now and hopefully helps nudge him in the right direction of resigning with them. Nets get to kick the tires on Mitchell for a year to see if there is anything in an expanded role for him as he is still young. Barnes (or Heurter) hopefully they can flip at some point for some minor draft capital next off-season as an expiring contract. Obviously the biggest thing is getting a pick in this year's draft.

[Netaman]

A few random trade ideas I initially had to fully embrace the tank, but let me preface it by saying I'm only on board with trading Claxton for value. If a deal doesn't present itself, I say resign him to a 3 or 4 year deal at hopefully a descending rate. But Cam Johnson, Bogdanvic, DFS, and Sharpe all need to be moved in my opinion. I'd move Schroeder too if the deal is right (either now or the deadline), but I'm also fine keeping him for the year too. Simmons I'd trade in a heartbeat if the Nets were getting any positive value back for him, but that's not going to happen. So I'd rather just hang onto him and let him expire instead of attaching an asset to her rid of him.
These deals are just the central pieces, may need to add on minor players on either side to make the money work, but here we go:

1.) Sign and trade Claxton for Luke Kennard and the 9th pick. If Grizzlies miss out on trading up for Clingan, this could be a way to go. Claxton fits great next to Jaren Jackson on paper and fits the timeline they have over there age wise. Nets get an expiring sharpshooter they can flip at the deadline and a lottery pick to start developing right out of the gate.

2.) Sharpe and DFS for Kennard and a lottery protected future first. Grizzlies again as I feel like they are a really good trade partner for the Nets. Grizzlies get a 3&D veteran wing to help their young team and a rebounding center, both things they need. The rumor mill out there says they like both Sharpe and DFS.

3.) Cam Johnson (or DFS instead if the cavs doesn't want to add on 3 years of long term money in Cam) for LeVert and #20. I know it's already been discussed on the board and some say it might be a light return, but I like the move. LeVert has already been through a (partial) rebuild for the Net in the past. He is also an expiring, so the team gets off Cam's future money while picking up a pick in tonight's draft. Cavs get a three point shooter who spaces the floor. Again, rumor mill says Cavs really like Cam. Maybe they can throw a future second rounder or two in the trade as well.

4.) Cam Johnson and Sharpe for Evan Fournier and Jaden Ivey. This one I'm not sure if the Pistons would do it, but I'd love to give Ivey a chance to be the lead guard on a team as I think he has a lot of potential. Even if he doesn't pan out, still young and cheap so not a problem to move off down the road. Unfortunately, he'll never be able to get the role as long as Cade in Detroit. Fournier is just an expiring used to make the salaries close. We know Pistons were interested in Cam last year, but that was with Monty as the coach which is no longer the case. But they desperately need shooting to space the floor Cade, Ausar, and Duren - all who are well below average at the 3 ball or completely non-existent. Cam is locked up so the Pistons don't have to worry about a flight risk either, as Detroit isn't a premier free agency destination. Sharpe is a proven backup big that is young so he fits the timeline they have over there and can step up when Duren inevitably gets hurt.

5.) Cam Johnson, Schroeder, and a future second rounder for #13 and Harrison Barnes (or Kevin Heurter if they'd rather keep Barnes) and Davion Mitchell. Kings get positional upgrades at both the forward spot and the backup PG spot for the cost of the #13 pick. This move helps show Fox the kings are trying to win now and hopefully helps nudge him in the right direction of resigning with them. Nets get to kick the tires on Mitchell for a year to see if there is anything in an expanded role for him as he is still young. Barnes (or Heurter) hopefully they can flip at some point for some minor draft capital next off-season as an expiring contract. Obviously the biggest thing is getting a pick in this year's draft.

i think there are a bunch of ideas in there not far from what we see tonight. these guesses seem to change constantly but mine as of now would be:

Clax extends
CamJ to SAC (#13 + fillers like Mitchell, Duarte, etc)
DFS to CLE (#20 + filler including Wade)

Jordi gets some of his SAC guys who can play bigger roles in BKL.
Nets have been linked to Wade before.

No idea who they'll target at #13/#20, probably younger upside guys.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

A few random trade ideas I initially had to fully embrace the tank, but let me preface it by saying I'm only on board with trading Claxton for value. If a deal doesn't present itself, I say resign him to a 3 or 4 year deal at hopefully a descending rate. But Cam Johnson, Bogdanvic, DFS, and Sharpe all need to be moved in my opinion. I'd move Schroeder too if the deal is right (either now or the deadline), but I'm also fine keeping him for the year too. Simmons I'd trade in a heartbeat if the Nets were getting any positive value back for him, but that's not going to happen. So I'd rather just hang onto him and let him expire instead of attaching an asset to her rid of him.
These deals are just the central pieces, may need to add on minor players on either side to make the money work, but here we go:

1.) Sign and trade Claxton for Luke Kennard and the 9th pick. If Grizzlies miss out on trading up for Clingan, this could be a way to go. Claxton fits great next to Jaren Jackson on paper and fits the timeline they have over there age wise. Nets get an expiring sharpshooter they can flip at the deadline and a lottery pick to start developing right out of the gate.

2.) Sharpe and DFS for Kennard and a lottery protected future first. Grizzlies again as I feel like they are a really good trade partner for the Nets. Grizzlies get a 3&D veteran wing to help their young team and a rebounding center, both things they need. The rumor mill out there says they like both Sharpe and DFS.

3.) Cam Johnson (or DFS instead if the cavs doesn't want to add on 3 years of long term money in Cam) for LeVert and #20. I know it's already been discussed on the board and some say it might be a light return, but I like the move. LeVert has already been through a (partial) rebuild for the Net in the past. He is also an expiring, so the team gets off Cam's future money while picking up a pick in tonight's draft. Cavs get a three point shooter who spaces the floor. Again, rumor mill says Cavs really like Cam. Maybe they can throw a future second rounder or two in the trade as well.

4.) Cam Johnson and Sharpe for Evan Fournier and Jaden Ivey. This one I'm not sure if the Pistons would do it, but I'd love to give Ivey a chance to be the lead guard on a team as I think he has a lot of potential. Even if he doesn't pan out, still young and cheap so not a problem to move off down the road. Unfortunately, he'll never be able to get the role as long as Cade in Detroit. Fournier is just an expiring used to make the salaries close. We know Pistons were interested in Cam last year, but that was with Monty as the coach which is no longer the case. But they desperately need shooting to space the floor Cade, Ausar, and Duren - all who are well below average at the 3 ball or completely non-existent. Cam is locked up so the Pistons don't have to worry about a flight risk either, as Detroit isn't a premier free agency destination. Sharpe is a proven backup big that is young so he fits the timeline they have over there and can step up when Duren inevitably gets hurt.

5.) Cam Johnson, Schroeder, and a future second rounder for #13 and Harrison Barnes (or Kevin Heurter if they'd rather keep Barnes) and Davion Mitchell. Kings get positional upgrades at both the forward spot and the backup PG spot for the cost of the #13 pick. This move helps show Fox the kings are trying to win now and hopefully helps nudge him in the right direction of resigning with them. Nets get to kick the tires on Mitchell for a year to see if there is anything in an expanded role for him as he is still young. Barnes (or Heurter) hopefully they can flip at some point for some minor draft capital next off-season as an expiring contract. Obviously the biggest thing is getting a pick in this year's draft.

i think there are a bunch of ideas in there not far from what we see tonight. these guesses seem to change constantly but mine as of now would be:

Clax extends
CamJ to SAC (#13 + fillers like Mitchell, Duarte, etc)
DFS to CLE (#20 + filler including Wade)

Jordi gets some of his SAC guys who can play bigger roles in BKL.
Nets have been linked to Wade before.

No idea who they'll target at #13/#20, probably younger upside guys.

Agreed, I have no idea who Marks would draft with any potential picks they acquire. But I have a distinct feeling that Marks may already have the parameters for a couple of deals in place. And if a guy the nets like falls to that pick, he'll pull the trigger.

And even worse case scenario happens and the nets cannot get into tonight's draft, I'm optimistically holding out hope that the young guys they already have take developmental steps like Clowney, Whitehead, Wilson, and cam Thomas. But I'd be shocked if they didn't come away with at least one pick tonight

[Netaman]

Agreed, I have no idea who Marks would draft with any potential picks they acquire. But I have a distinct feeling that Marks may already have the parameters for a couple of deals in place. And if a guy the nets like falls to that pick, he'll pull the trigger.

And even worse case scenario happens and the nets cannot get into tonight's draft, I'm optimistically holding out hope that the young guys they already have take developmental steps like Clowney, Whitehead, Wilson, and cam Thomas. But I'd be shocked if they didn't come away with at least one pick tonight

agree on all the above. think we'll see a pretty good amount of clowney, wilson, thomas, watford, claxton, whitehead plus a few former firsts cast off from better teams (like wade, mitchell, etc).

also wouldnt be surprised if schroder is kept around as the veteran leader since he seems willing to embrace that role and i dont see anyone giving up a first for him. id imagine we get a little more simmons experimentation too because why not.

the new NBA lotto odds are pretty flat #1-6 (14%-9%). Atlanta won from 10 at 3%. Nets moved up to #3 from 9th/4.5%. I don't think we are going to see an embarrassingly awful tank. They will almost certainly be worse than this past year, but probably not by as much as people think. 4th worst is the sweet spot with 13.2%.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Agreed, I have no idea who Marks would draft with any potential picks they acquire. But I have a distinct feeling that Marks may already have the parameters for a couple of deals in place. And if a guy the nets like falls to that pick, he'll pull the trigger.

And even worse case scenario happens and the nets cannot get into tonight's draft, I'm optimistically holding out hope that the young guys they already have take developmental steps like Clowney, Whitehead, Wilson, and cam Thomas. But I'd be shocked if they didn't come away with at least one pick tonight

agree on all the above. think we'll see a pretty good amount of clowney, wilson, thomas, watford, claxton, whitehead plus a few former firsts cast off from better teams (like wade, mitchell, etc).

also wouldnt be surprised if schroder is kept around as the veteran leader since he seems willing to embrace that role and i dont see anyone giving up a first for him. id imagine we get a little more simmons experimentation too because why not.

the new NBA lotto odds are pretty flat #1-6 (14%-9%). Atlanta won from 10 at 3%. Nets moved up to #3 from 9th/4.5%. I don't think we are going to see an embarrassingly awful tank. They will almost certainly be worse than this past year, but probably not by as much as people think. 4th worst is the sweet spot with 13.2%.

Agree completely. Just like last time, taking fliers on guys like Anthony Bennett, Harry Giles, etc. Even though guys like that didn't pan out, I'm all for tearing it down and using this year as a development year for the young guys you mentioned above along with throwing darts at younger guys in need of a change of scenery.

But honestly I just really wanted Cooper Flagg next year lol. I know next year's draft is a long way off and anything can happen, and unless something goes wrong he will be the #1 pick. But I'm willing to embrace the tank fully for even a shot at him (I can dream I guess)

[Netaman]

Agree completely. Just like last time, taking fliers on guys like Anthony Bennett, Harry Giles, etc. Even though guys like that didn't pan out, I'm all for tearing it down and using this year as a development year for the young guys you mentioned above along with throwing darts at younger guys in need of a change of scenery.

But honestly I just really wanted Cooper Flagg next year lol. I know next year's draft is a long way off and anything can happen, and unless something goes wrong he will be the #1 pick. But I'm willing to embrace the tank fully for even a shot at him (I can dream I guess)

i re-introduced myself to the lottery odds for the first time today since the year of john wall/derrick favors and honestly there is simply no point in getting hyped about whoever the 1oa pick is. even if you are the worst team in the league you have an 86% chance of not getting that guy. the kind of tanking we remember is basically gone. almost no difference between being worst and 4th worst. atlanta won the lotto as 10th worst, 1 slot better than brooklyn.

i think the plan is mostly simply, get good value for whoever you can trade, find as many good young pieces you think you can develop as possible, then let chips fall where they fall. hope schroder plays well and you can sell him off at the deadline to tank a little farther in the last couple months.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Agree completely. Just like last time, taking fliers on guys like Anthony Bennett, Harry Giles, etc. Even though guys like that didn't pan out, I'm all for tearing it down and using this year as a development year for the young guys you mentioned above along with throwing darts at younger guys in need of a change of scenery.

But honestly I just really wanted Cooper Flagg next year lol. I know next year's draft is a long way off and anything can happen, and unless something goes wrong he will be the #1 pick. But I'm willing to embrace the tank fully for even a shot at him (I can dream I guess)

i re-introduced myself to the lottery odds for the first time today since the year of john wall/derrick favors and honestly there is simply no point in getting hyped about whoever the 1oa pick is. even if you are the worst team in the league you have an 86% chance of not getting that guy. the kind of tanking we remember is basically gone. almost no difference between being worst and 4th worst. atlanta won the lotto as 10th worst, 1 slot better than brooklyn.

i think the plan is mostly simply, get good value for whoever you can trade, find as many good young pieces you think you can develop as possible, then let chips fall where they fall. hope schroder plays well and you can sell him off at the deadline to tank a little farther in the last couple months.

Wow, I didn't realize the 4 worst teams basically all have the same odds to land the #1 pick. I should have researched this similar to you, so thank you for this!

And you pretty much hit the nail on the head with what you said: "i think the plan is mostly simply, get good value for whoever you can trade, find as many good young pieces you think you can develop as possible, then let chips fall where they fall. hope schroder plays well and you can sell him off at the deadline to tank a little farther in the last couple months." If we do this along with being one of the worst four teams record wise, I would consider this season a successful year 1 of the rebuild. I'm assuming Marks feels the same way since he was adamant on getting the team's picks back the next two years.

[Netaman]

And you pretty much hit the nail on the head with what you said: "i think the plan is mostly simply, get good value for whoever you can trade, find as many good young pieces you think you can develop as possible, then let chips fall where they fall. hope schroder plays well and you can sell him off at the deadline to tank a little farther in the last couple months." If we do this along with being one of the worst four teams record wise, I would consider this season a successful year 1 of the rebuild. I'm assuming Marks feels the same way since he was adamant on getting the team's picks back the next two years.

exactly. the next 2 years our finals is going to be the lotto show, and getting seats at both is basically what Marks traded the 3 PHO picks to HOU for. tanking won't do much to swing the needle one way or the other bc of the new rules and the obvious that it would take a miracle for this roster to get out of the lotto. im hoping for top 5 picks each year and anything meaningfully better would be icing on the cake.

[Decipher]

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[Netaman]

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cam j was reported high last year, my guess is this is a bit lower than current reports (23/24m). and likely to descend after this year.

[Decipher]

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cam j was reported high last year, my guess is this is a bit lower than current reports (23/24m). and likely to descend after this year.

It’s an okay deal that can be moved if necessary

Hope they keep Sharpe as I think he’s got more upside

[Keith Van Horn]

any moves into the draft tonight?

please, let's see Cam Johnson get sent out

[Netaman]

any moves into the draft tonight?

please, let's see Cam Johnson get sent out

id imagine nets have moves lined up depending on if guys they like fall to certain picks.

[vincecarter4pres]

any moves into the draft tonight?

please, let's see Cam Johnson get sent out

id imagine nets have moves lined up depending on if guys they like fall to certain picks.

I hope they deal DFS and Cam J regardless if kids they like are still there.

I think we may undervalue these guys a bit on these forums sometimes, but not trading them again feels like playing with fire.

This is the draft to get value and get out from under that contract.

[Netaman]

any moves into the draft tonight?

please, let's see Cam Johnson get sent out

id imagine nets have moves lined up depending on if guys they like fall to certain picks.

I hope they deal DFS and Cam J regardless if kids they like are still there.

I think we may undervalue these guys a bit on these forums sometimes, but not trading them again feels like playing with fire.

This is the draft to get value and get out from under that contract.

true but they may prefer different offers for future picks if guys they want arent there. we should know soon enough, minnesota just bought Dillingham pretty cheap. 1 swap and a 2031 unprotected for the freakin 8th pick. trade range for guys like camj / dfs should be open for the next 10 picks.

[Netaman]

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[vincecarter4pres]

Man I’d really like to see Cam J to Sacto revisited and finalized tomorrow, Carter was my guy.

Or to Cleveland for Jaylon Tyson.