**NBA Draft Discussion 2024 2.0**

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[Pokuokic]

"Another beast Niko" isn't falling to the middle of the 2nd round in this **** draft. These guys all suck lol.

Yeah cause Jokic was not picked in the 40's

Sure, let's use the most extreme outlier as an example, something that's never going to happen again lol.

Do you think the Heat thought he was another beast Niko? They just didn't want another one?

Sure than lets use Nikola Pekoivc at #31(second round) who until injury was a starter for a good number of years. I can't believe they did not keep him a creative SG?SF god forbid they take the ball out of that bum's Herros hands.

[Pokuokic]

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Not totally horrible I guess

Djurisic just looks better

Djurisic is like 24 years old Rex. I am surprise you like him. He been trying out for the NBA draft like 3 years straight. He cant shoot a lick. 30 percent from 3 is his best he has ever averaged. He is like 70% from the Free Throw

He's a year younger than Jovic (20) and shot 40% from 3 in the 2nd half of the season and has only tried out last year and this year and his ft% is closer to 75%, I swear....

[HeatingUp3]

Mannn we got that kid Kashad on a 2 way?!? What a great draft we had.
Summer league gonna be fun

[powerball1373]

Yeah cause Jokic was not picked in the 40's

Sure, let's use the most extreme outlier as an example, something that's never going to happen again lol.

Do you think the Heat thought he was another beast Niko? They just didn't want another one?

Sure than lets use Nikola Pekoivc at #31(second round) who until injury was a starter for a good number of years. I can't believe they did not keep him a creative SG?SF god forbid they take the ball out of that bum's Herros hands.

We get it, you're salty bc we didn't keep another one of your countrymen. Personally, I just don't really give a chit about that nobody lol. Feel free to gloat and rub it in my face when this kid finally breaks through to average 6.5 minutes per game in 3 years.

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[DayofMourning]

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Dude looks just like Tyler Kolek. My heart skipped a beat lol.

[Shootit]

Draft seems to have been a good one. Hopefully, we can get these kids to commit to the grind and come out as role players/starters in a few years.

[greg4012]

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Very good breakdown of Pelle Larsson's game. The breakdown starts with defense, which I appreciate.

He's a pure shooter that Miami will definitely work to develop as a movement shooter. The encouraging thing is that he's not a one-dimensional player. The thing that stands out most about Larsson is his versatility. He can handle the ball, looks to move the ball and create for others, quick trigger on 3s, can get into the paint and finish, can pull up in the midrange, can push in transition, solid on-ball defender that should be able to survive guarding 1-3. He's in the mold of guys like Donte Divincenzo and Christian Braun as a prospect.

He has good positional size and athleticism (SG).

IMO Larsson is the type of 2nd round pick that could have a long NBA career. He's a great connective piece that can be complementary to star players.

[greg4012]

Some of us have highlighted how Kel'el Ware has great touch. I believe that touch is a great indicator for his 3 ball continuing to develop and translate to the NBA. Here's some more context on it.

Kel'el Ware shot 74% at the rim; 44% on non-rim 2s; and 41% from 3 last season. Below is a list of over 30 top draft prospects and their 3-level shooting percentages. Ware is one of 3 players from this draft that shot over 65% at the rim, over 40% on non-rim 2s; and over 35% on 3s. The others are: Reed Sheppard and Pacome Dadiet.

If you lower the threshold to 60% at the rim, then the list includes Tristan Da Silva, Baylor Scheierman, and Cam Spencer.

Ware is in company with the top pure shooting prospects in the draft from the perspective of 3-level touch


Reed Sheppard: 65% at the rim; 45.8% on non-rim 2s; 52% from 3
Zaccharie Risacher: 60% at the rim; 32% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Dalton Knecht: 59% at the rim; 36% on non-rim 2s; 40% from 3
Stephon Castle: 63% at the rim; 35% on non-rim 2s; 26% from 3
Rob Dillingham: 55% at the rim; 43% on non-rim 2s; 44% from 3
Zach Edey: 79.6% at the rim; 44.3% on non-rim 2s; only shot 2 3s
Donovan Clingan: 70% at the rim; 45.8% on non-rim 2s; only shot 8 3s
Cody Williams: 73% at the rim; 37% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3 (lowest volume)
Tristan Da Silva: 61% at the rim; 49.5% on non-rim 2s; 39.5% from 3
Devin Carter: 65% at the rim; 29% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Jared McCain: 59% at the rim; 44% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3
Jaylon Tyson: 57% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Ron Holland: 60% at the rim; 32% on non-rim 2s; 24% from 3
Jakobe Walter: 54% at the rim; 34% on non-rim 2s; 34% from 3
Tyler Smith: 64% at the rim; 37% non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Matas Buzelis: 57% at the rim; 38% on non-rim 2s; 27% from 3
Johnny Furphy: 80% at the rim; 25% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Pacome Dadiet: 73% at the rim; 50% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Kyshawn George: 60% at the rim; 22% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3
Isaiah Collier: 61% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 33% from 3
Kyle Filipowski: 63% at the rim; 38% on non-rim 2s; 34% from 3
Daron Holmes: 74% at the rim; 35% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Bub Carrington: 54% at the rim; 50% on non-rim 2s; 32% from 3
Terrence Shannon Jr: 65% at the rim; 39% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Dillon Jones: 61% at the rim; 41% on non-rim 2s; 32% from 3
Tyler Kolek: 58% at the rim; 47% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Baylor Scheierman: 63% at the rim; 45% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Ajay Mitchell: 59% at the rim; 44% on non-rim 2s; 37% from 3
Cam Christie: 47% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 39% from 3
KJ Simpson: 55% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 43% from 3
Cam Spencer: 61% at the rim; 50% on non-rim 2s; 44% from 3

[greg4012]

Added context: Indiana ranked 265th in the NCAA in team 3pt percentage (32.36%).

They had abysmal spacing. They only had 2 players on their team that shot over 2 3PA per game and both shot under 33% from 3 on the season. Ware was the only main rotation player on the team with a 3 pt percentage over 37%.

[RexBoyWonder]

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Very good breakdown of Pelle Larsson's game. The breakdown starts with defense, which I appreciate.

He's a pure shooter that Miami will definitely work to develop as a movement shooter. The encouraging thing is that he's not a one-dimensional player. The thing that stands out most about Larsson is his versatility. He can handle the ball, looks to move the ball and create for others, quick trigger on 3s, can get into the paint and finish, can pull up in the midrange, can push in transition, solid on-ball defender that should be able to survive guarding 1-3. He's in the mold of guys like Donte Divincenzo and Christian Braun as a prospect.

He has good positional size and athleticism (SG).

IMO Larsson is the type of 2nd round pick that could have a long NBA career. He's a great connective piece that can be complementary to star players.

1) I'm warming up to the pick. I sill think Djurisic has higher upside, But I get the appeal with Larsson. He has a high floor, no real big weaknesses in his game, and provides great shooting which we always need.

2) My biggest question about him is - How the hell does he get any minutes?

Between Jimmy Jamie Herro Duncan and Rozier, how does he see the floor?

He's not some development project. His main appeal is being a ready now player. He won't get mucvh better by playing in the chitty Gleague, He is who he is as a player, he needs to get adjusted to NBA level defenders.

Herro and Duncan must be on the hot seat, because picking this guy and benching him makes zero sense. In that case we shouldv'e went with a higher upside project like Djurisic.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Very good breakdown of Pelle Larsson's game. The breakdown starts with defense, which I appreciate.

He's a pure shooter that Miami will definitely work to develop as a movement shooter. The encouraging thing is that he's not a one-dimensional player. The thing that stands out most about Larsson is his versatility. He can handle the ball, looks to move the ball and create for others, quick trigger on 3s, can get into the paint and finish, can pull up in the midrange, can push in transition, solid on-ball defender that should be able to survive guarding 1-3. He's in the mold of guys like Donte Divincenzo and Christian Braun as a prospect.

He has good positional size and athleticism (SG).

IMO Larsson is the type of 2nd round pick that could have a long NBA career. He's a great connective piece that can be complementary to star players.

1) I'm warming up to the pick. I sill think Djurisic has higher upside, But I get the appeal with Larsson. He has a high floor, no real big weaknesses in his game, and provides great shooting which we always need.

2) My biggest question about him is - How the hell does he get any minutes?

Between Jimmy Jamie Herro Duncan and Rozier, how does he see the floor?

He's not some development project. His main appeal is being a ready now player. He won't get mucvh better by playing in the chitty Gleague, He is who he is as a player, he needs to get adjusted to NBA level defenders.

Herro and Duncan must be on the hot seat, because picking this guy and benching him makes zero sense. In that case we shouldv'e went with a higher upside project like Djurisic.

I think Duncan’s contract gets dumped here soon. Have to make it happen in order to get away from apron and with all the smoke of signing Highsmith.

[greg4012]

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Very good breakdown of Pelle Larsson's game. The breakdown starts with defense, which I appreciate.

He's a pure shooter that Miami will definitely work to develop as a movement shooter. The encouraging thing is that he's not a one-dimensional player. The thing that stands out most about Larsson is his versatility. He can handle the ball, looks to move the ball and create for others, quick trigger on 3s, can get into the paint and finish, can pull up in the midrange, can push in transition, solid on-ball defender that should be able to survive guarding 1-3. He's in the mold of guys like Donte Divincenzo and Christian Braun as a prospect.

He has good positional size and athleticism (SG).

IMO Larsson is the type of 2nd round pick that could have a long NBA career. He's a great connective piece that can be complementary to star players.

1) I'm warming up to the pick. I sill think Djurisic has higher upside, But I get the appeal with Larsson. He has a high floor, no real big weaknesses in his game, and provides great shooting which we always need.

2) My biggest question about him is - How the hell does he get any minutes?

Between Jimmy Jamie Herro Duncan and Rozier, how does he see the floor?

He's not some development project. His main appeal is being a ready now player. He won't get mucvh better by playing in the chitty Gleague, He is who he is as a player, he needs to get adjusted to NBA level defenders.

Herro and Duncan must be on the hot seat, because picking this guy and benching him makes zero sense. In that case we shouldv'e went with a higher upside project like Djurisic.

Definitely need a consolidation move for this roster--have for over a year now.

Cheap labor that should be ready to contribute soon and for years to come is always good in this salary cap landscape

[MiamiLoyal926]

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Very good breakdown of Pelle Larsson's game. The breakdown starts with defense, which I appreciate.

He's a pure shooter that Miami will definitely work to develop as a movement shooter. The encouraging thing is that he's not a one-dimensional player. The thing that stands out most about Larsson is his versatility. He can handle the ball, looks to move the ball and create for others, quick trigger on 3s, can get into the paint and finish, can pull up in the midrange, can push in transition, solid on-ball defender that should be able to survive guarding 1-3. He's in the mold of guys like Donte Divincenzo and Christian Braun as a prospect.

He has good positional size and athleticism (SG).

IMO Larsson is the type of 2nd round pick that could have a long NBA career. He's a great connective piece that can be complementary to star players.

1) I'm warming up to the pick. I sill think Djurisic has higher upside, But I get the appeal with Larsson. He has a high floor, no real big weaknesses in his game, and provides great shooting which we always need.

2) My biggest question about him is - How the hell does he get any minutes?

Between Jimmy Jamie Herro Duncan and Rozier, how does he see the floor?

He's not some development project. His main appeal is being a ready now player. He won't get mucvh better by playing in the chitty Gleague, He is who he is as a player, he needs to get adjusted to NBA level defenders.

Herro and Duncan must be on the hot seat, because picking this guy and benching him makes zero sense. In that case we shouldv'e went with a higher upside project like Djurisic.

I think Duncan’s contract gets dumped here soon. Have to make it happen in order to get away from apron and with all the smoke of signing Highsmith.

It’s a shame we didn’t flip Duncan for Tim Hardaway Jr. he makes less and is in his last year. I would think someone like Duncan would help Luka and Kyrie space the floor. Perhaps they have salary issues and needed to shed…

Would you or anyone be interested in something that flips Duncan for Tim Jr?

[greg4012]

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Some of us have highlighted how Kel'el Ware has great touch. I believe that touch is a great indicator for his 3 ball continuing to develop and translate to the NBA. Here's some more context on it.

Kel'el Ware shot 74% at the rim; 44% on non-rim 2s; and 41% from 3 last season. Below is a list of over 30 top draft prospects and their 3-level shooting percentages. Ware is one of 3 players from this draft that shot over 65% at the rim, over 40% on non-rim 2s; and over 35% on 3s. The others are: Reed Sheppard and Pacome Dadiet.

If you lower the threshold to 60% at the rim, then the list includes Tristan Da Silva, Baylor Scheierman, and Cam Spencer.

Ware is in company with the top pure shooting prospects in the draft from the perspective of 3-level touch


Reed Sheppard: 65% at the rim; 45.8% on non-rim 2s; 52% from 3
Zaccharie Risacher: 60% at the rim; 32% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Dalton Knecht: 59% at the rim; 36% on non-rim 2s; 40% from 3
Stephon Castle: 63% at the rim; 35% on non-rim 2s; 26% from 3
Rob Dillingham: 55% at the rim; 43% on non-rim 2s; 44% from 3
Zach Edey: 79.6% at the rim; 44.3% on non-rim 2s; only shot 2 3s
Donovan Clingan: 70% at the rim; 45.8% on non-rim 2s; only shot 8 3s
Cody Williams: 73% at the rim; 37% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3 (lowest volume)
Tristan Da Silva: 61% at the rim; 49.5% on non-rim 2s; 39.5% from 3
Devin Carter: 65% at the rim; 29% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Jared McCain: 59% at the rim; 44% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3
Jaylon Tyson: 57% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Ron Holland: 60% at the rim; 32% on non-rim 2s; 24% from 3
Jakobe Walter: 54% at the rim; 34% on non-rim 2s; 34% from 3
Tyler Smith: 64% at the rim; 37% non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Matas Buzelis: 57% at the rim; 38% on non-rim 2s; 27% from 3
Johnny Furphy: 80% at the rim; 25% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Pacome Dadiet: 73% at the rim; 50% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Kyshawn George: 60% at the rim; 22% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3
Isaiah Collier: 61% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 33% from 3
Kyle Filipowski: 63% at the rim; 38% on non-rim 2s; 34% from 3
Daron Holmes: 74% at the rim; 35% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Bub Carrington: 54% at the rim; 50% on non-rim 2s; 32% from 3
Terrence Shannon Jr: 65% at the rim; 39% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Dillon Jones: 61% at the rim; 41% on non-rim 2s; 32% from 3
Tyler Kolek: 58% at the rim; 47% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Baylor Scheierman: 63% at the rim; 45% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Ajay Mitchell: 59% at the rim; 44% on non-rim 2s; 37% from 3
Cam Christie: 47% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 39% from 3
KJ Simpson: 55% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 43% from 3
Cam Spencer: 61% at the rim; 50% on non-rim 2s; 44% from 3

Kel'el Ware shot 74% at the rim (63 dunks); 44% on non-rim 2s; and 41% from 3 (40 attempts)

3-level college percentages for some of the best shooting bigs in the NBA for context/comparison:

Karl Towns (Fr): 72% at the rim (22 dunks); 43.8% on non-rim 2s; 25% from 3 (8 attempts)

Anthony Davis (Fr): 87% at the rim (96 dunks); 38.5% on non-rim 2s; 15% from 3 (20 attempts)

Chet Holmgren (Fr): 84% at the rim (57 dunks); 48% on non-rim 2s; 39% from 3 (109 attempts)

Naz Reid (Fr): 63% at the rim (33 dunks); 37.7% on non-rim 2s; 33% from 3 (84 attempts)

Myles Turner (Fr): 74% at the rim (11 dunks); 42.6% on non-rim 2s; 27% from 3 (62 attempts)

Jaren Jackson (Fr): 65.6% at the rim (31 dunks); 46.5% on non-rim 2s; 39.6% from 3 (96 attempts)

Isaiah Stewart (Fr): 69% at the rim (26 dunks); 42% on non-rim 2s; 25% from 3 (20 attempts)

Wendell Carter (Fr): 68.6% at the rim (56 dunks); 41.2% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3 (46 attempts)

Joel Embiid (Fr): 80% at the rim (30 dunks); 38.5% on non-rim 2s; 20% from 3 (5 attempts)

Kelly Olynyk (Jr): 71% at the rim (25 dunks); 52% on non-rim 2s; 30% from 3 (29 attempts)

John Collins (So): 75% at the rim (59 dunks); 44% on non-rim 2s; 0 3PA

Christian Wood (So): 67% at the rim (57 dunks); 42.5% on non-rim 2s; 28% from 3 (88 attempts)

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If Ware can get to 250 lbs, he can be a beast.

[lastb1ckman]

I think the number 1 thing to look at Wares development is his strength. He struggled to back people down or play with strength in college. That hopefully changes as he gets older

[greg4012]

I think the number 1 thing to look at Wares development is his strength. He struggled to back people down or play with strength in college. That hopefully changes as he gets older

Strength and weight are def key items for Ware's development. He gets pushed off his spots easily and he's not a great or super active screener. That needs to change. I expect and hope that Miami will get him right in that regard.

With that said, while Ware is clearly a center prospect, his potential pairing with Bam means that whenever he's on the floor with Bam, a lot of the big man responsibilities will still be taken by Bam which should free him up to play a more hybrid game.

Bam needs 3 pt shooting next to him, but as long as that box is checked, Bam makes any frontcourt partner's life much easier by doing so much so effectively on the floor.