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[bishnykfan]

Yes. That's precisely what I meant. Expand rosters with the expanded slots going to IR and counting against the cap.

The IR slots are effective 2 way imo.

I'd be fine with expanding the roster spots to more than 15. But I don't want to make them true "two way" spots where they can be called up throughout the season. We already have a ton of lineup, rotation, strategy, trades and transactions changes every day. Teams moving players on and off their active lineups is not something I'd be thrilled with adding.

Am i tripping or isn't that what the IR already does? I typically keep my worse players there until guys get hurt. I've also noticed other GMs don't really use it.

The sim allows each franchise to have 15 players. Only 12 can be active on game day. So each franchise can have up to 3 "extra" players that can be used to replace injured players. BAF requires each team to have a minimum of 13 players. We have 15 max roster because that is the max allowed by the sim.

If someone wanted to propose a rule that states teams could keep a 16th or more man, then those extra players would not be able to be moved onto the roster during the season. Honestly, it is basically what our exempt list already is.

[DOT]

But I don't like the idea of trading guaranteed contract status for extension ineligibility, I think that makes 2nd rounders less valuable, not more

I agree with this completely. I think you wrote it better than I did but I think this would kill all value for picks 31-55.

As for the rest of your idea, I am thinking you are proposing something similar to your "extension amendment" rule change? Teams can "stash" a pick so as it doesn't take up a roster spot or salary cap room for their first year but it would cost more in year two and beyond to bring them on then if they just signed them for year one? Am I interpreting that sort of correctly?

Yeah lol it's basically the same exact thing again

I'd also be in favor of not restricting it to just one pick, I dunno if I want to say you can have unlimited amounts of stashed players, but I think being able to stash multiple guys is better, but you'd only be able to do it for the one year each like I said

There should also be an increased cost to extending a frozen player too on top of the added salary to make up for the frozen year, so it gives teams incentive to not freeze a stashed player's contract

I actually haven't extended a 2nd round pick so I don't know if it's the exact same as the 1st round rules in terms of length/amount, but say if I wanted to extend a stash-and-freeze player instead of a 60% raise over 2 years it'd be a 90% raise over 2 years, and only allow them to extend a frozen player for 2 years max so you get the same amount of team control

To go back to the Dadiet example, GadFly could stash him (meaning he can't play at all this year), then freeze his deal to get to $20/3, and then the max extension would be for 2 years at a 90% rate, so $38/5, or if he stashes and doesn't freeze it, it would be a $15/2 contract, with the 3 year 90% rate to get it to $29/5. That allows for flexibility if you don't have the cap in year 1 while also conveying a punishment so as to prevent abuse.

[TerrenceClarke]

It’s why I asked the question. I don’t like losing control vs non guaranteed. You basically can’t have a Mitchell Robinson longer term. 2nd rounders are already a year less than 1st rounders not extended, which means if you find a gem you would have to compete with the market sooner than you probably like.

Some players by the time the sim may full respect them is 2 years min. So by the time your gem may show promise you already have to battle against other teams who may like him since you can’t extend them by a few more years. My second rounder may show promise in year one and I want to lock him in long term now.

So I would be against that.

[Capn'O]

The sim allows each franchise to have 15 players. Only 12 can be active on game day. So each franchise can have up to 3 "extra" players that can be used to replace injured players. BAF requires each team to have a minimum of 13 players. We have 15 max roster because that is the max allowed by the sim.

If someone wanted to propose a rule that states teams could keep a 16th or more man, then those extra players would not be able to be moved onto the roster during the season. Honestly, it is basically what our exempt list already is.

Gotcha. So my amendment isn't feasible as I envisioned. Ah well.

[DOT]

We could implement an RFA system for 2nd round picks

Say any team can offer them a contract after their extension is up, and the drafting team can match so long as they don't go over the cap.

[bishnykfan]

But I don't like the idea of trading guaranteed contract status for extension ineligibility, I think that makes 2nd rounders less valuable, not more

I agree with this completely. I think you wrote it better than I did but I think this would kill all value for picks 31-55.

As for the rest of your idea, I am thinking you are proposing something similar to your "extension amendment" rule change? Teams can "stash" a pick so as it doesn't take up a roster spot or salary cap room for their first year but it would cost more in year two and beyond to bring them on then if they just signed them for year one? Am I interpreting that sort of correctly?

Yeah lol it's basically the same exact thing again

I'd also be in favor of not restricting it to just one pick, I dunno if I want to say you can have unlimited amounts of stashed players, but I think being able to stash multiple guys is better, but you'd only be able to do it for the one year each like I said

There should also be an increased cost to extending a frozen player too on top of the added salary to make up for the frozen year, so it gives teams incentive to not freeze a stashed player's contract

I actually haven't extended a 2nd round pick so I don't know if it's the exact same as the 1st round rules in terms of length/amount, but say if I wanted to extend a stash-and-freeze player instead of a 60% raise over 2 years it'd be a 90% raise over 2 years, and only allow them to extend a frozen player for 2 years max so you get the same amount of team control

To go back to the Dadiet example, GadFly could stash him (meaning he can't play at all this year), then freeze his deal to get to $20/3, and then the max extension would be for 2 years at a 90% rate, so $38/5, or if he stashes and doesn't freeze it, it would be a $15/2 contract, with the 3 year 90% rate to get it to $29/5. That allows for flexibility if you don't have the cap in year 1 while also conveying a punishment so as to prevent abuse.

I think I get what you are saying and it works in this case. My question would be how it would effect players drafted at the end of the second round. Guys who start with $1-3 contracts. Teams could stash that player in effect taking away the lag year that the sim has, then conceivably get a IRL year two player who hits, on a long term deal for less than $5 after the extension. Is this giving to much reward for so little risk?

[DOT]

I agree with this completely. I think you wrote it better than I did but I think this would kill all value for picks 31-55.

As for the rest of your idea, I am thinking you are proposing something similar to your "extension amendment" rule change? Teams can "stash" a pick so as it doesn't take up a roster spot or salary cap room for their first year but it would cost more in year two and beyond to bring them on then if they just signed them for year one? Am I interpreting that sort of correctly?

Yeah lol it's basically the same exact thing again

I'd also be in favor of not restricting it to just one pick, I dunno if I want to say you can have unlimited amounts of stashed players, but I think being able to stash multiple guys is better, but you'd only be able to do it for the one year each like I said

There should also be an increased cost to extending a frozen player too on top of the added salary to make up for the frozen year, so it gives teams incentive to not freeze a stashed player's contract

I actually haven't extended a 2nd round pick so I don't know if it's the exact same as the 1st round rules in terms of length/amount, but say if I wanted to extend a stash-and-freeze player instead of a 60% raise over 2 years it'd be a 90% raise over 2 years, and only allow them to extend a frozen player for 2 years max so you get the same amount of team control

To go back to the Dadiet example, GadFly could stash him (meaning he can't play at all this year), then freeze his deal to get to $20/3, and then the max extension would be for 2 years at a 90% rate, so $38/5, or if he stashes and doesn't freeze it, it would be a $15/2 contract, with the 3 year 90% rate to get it to $29/5. That allows for flexibility if you don't have the cap in year 1 while also conveying a punishment so as to prevent abuse.

I think I get what you are saying and it works in this case. My question would be how it would effect players drafted at the end of the second round. Guys who start with $1-3 contracts. Teams could stash that player in effect taking away the lag year that the sim has, then conceivably get a IRL year two player who hits, on a long term deal for less than $5 after the extension. Is this giving to much reward for so little risk?

Honestly, I think it's fair for the hit rate on those picks

Plus, remember, the goal is to incentivize teams to keep 2nds, so making late 2nds much more valuable would do that.

[bishnykfan]

We could implement an RFA system for 2nd round picks

Say any team can offer them a contract after their extension is up, and the drafting team can match so long as they don't go over the cap.

Might be a little more work for me during FA but it could be interesting. Only thing we would have to add would be a deadline for the team to match once the RFA is signed. Teams would really need to be active during FA so they are aware when one of their players signs elsewhere.

[DOT]

We could implement an RFA system for 2nd round picks

Say any team can offer them a contract after their extension is up, and the drafting team can match so long as they don't go over the cap.

Might be a little more work for me during FA but it could be interesting. Only thing we would have to add would be a deadline for the team to match once the RFA is signed. Teams would really need to be active during FA so they are aware when one of their players signs elsewhere.

Do it like the NBA does

I hate to put more work on you, but say the RFA signs an offer sheet, you send the team with their rights a pm, they have 48 hours to match. Everything is time stamped, so you can see exactly when you sent them the message, and exactly when they send it back. Or maybe we can have it be any longer, I think up to a week I would be fine with, but there should be a hard limit.

[bishnykfan]

Yeah lol it's basically the same exact thing again

I'd also be in favor of not restricting it to just one pick, I dunno if I want to say you can have unlimited amounts of stashed players, but I think being able to stash multiple guys is better, but you'd only be able to do it for the one year each like I said

There should also be an increased cost to extending a frozen player too on top of the added salary to make up for the frozen year, so it gives teams incentive to not freeze a stashed player's contract

I actually haven't extended a 2nd round pick so I don't know if it's the exact same as the 1st round rules in terms of length/amount, but say if I wanted to extend a stash-and-freeze player instead of a 60% raise over 2 years it'd be a 90% raise over 2 years, and only allow them to extend a frozen player for 2 years max so you get the same amount of team control

To go back to the Dadiet example, GadFly could stash him (meaning he can't play at all this year), then freeze his deal to get to $20/3, and then the max extension would be for 2 years at a 90% rate, so $38/5, or if he stashes and doesn't freeze it, it would be a $15/2 contract, with the 3 year 90% rate to get it to $29/5. That allows for flexibility if you don't have the cap in year 1 while also conveying a punishment so as to prevent abuse.

I think I get what you are saying and it works in this case. My question would be how it would effect players drafted at the end of the second round. Guys who start with $1-3 contracts. Teams could stash that player in effect taking away the lag year that the sim has, then conceivably get a IRL year two player who hits, on a long term deal for less than $5 after the extension. Is this giving to much reward for so little risk?

Honestly, I think it's fair for the hit rate on those picks

Plus, remember, the goal is to incentivize teams to keep 2nds, so making late 2nds much more valuable would do that.

I hear you...right now picks 55-60 can be drafted and extended for $5 or less for 5 years. Hit on a pick like that and you are already rewarded pretty nicely. If Harrison Ingram hits for Deeez this year, he can extend him for $5/4 years. And then have his Bird rights when they become an UFA going into his sixth season.

Second rounders are unlikely to hit in the NBA or BAF. But if they do, then teams get a steal.

[Context]

It’s why I asked the question. I don’t like losing control vs non guaranteed. You basically can’t have a Mitchell Robinson longer term. 2nd rounders are already a year less than 1st rounders not extended, which means if you find a gem you would have to compete with the market sooner than you probably like.

Some players by the time the sim may full respect them is 2 years min. So by the time your gem may show promise you already have to battle against other teams who may like him since you can’t extend them by a few more years. My second rounder may show promise in year one and I want to lock him in long term now.

So I would be against that.

which reminds me of a rule that I have be thinking off for the last 5 seasons.
Due to the fact that the sim needs a year to catch up. I think we should increase the extension years across the board by 1 years.
This would remove the sim effect...

[bishnykfan]

We could implement an RFA system for 2nd round picks

Say any team can offer them a contract after their extension is up, and the drafting team can match so long as they don't go over the cap.

Might be a little more work for me during FA but it could be interesting. Only thing we would have to add would be a deadline for the team to match once the RFA is signed. Teams would really need to be active during FA so they are aware when one of their players signs elsewhere.

Do it like the NBA does

I hate to put more work on you, but say the RFA signs an offer sheet, you send the team with their rights a pm, they have 48 hours to match. Everything is time stamped, so you can see exactly when you sent them the message, and exactly when they send it back. Or maybe we can have it be any longer, I think up to a week I would be fine with, but there should be a hard limit.

I was thinking less time just to give the signing team a chance to pivot if the offer sheet is matched. But 48 hours would probably be another deterrent for teams to pursue a RFA.

I think there are definitely ideas that could be interesting and make the game better. It's just a matter of figuring out and thinking about all the ramifications before they are implemented. Whatever it is, teams can submit their proposals this weekend.

[DOT]

Might be a little more work for me during FA but it could be interesting. Only thing we would have to add would be a deadline for the team to match once the RFA is signed. Teams would really need to be active during FA so they are aware when one of their players signs elsewhere.

Do it like the NBA does

I hate to put more work on you, but say the RFA signs an offer sheet, you send the team with their rights a pm, they have 48 hours to match. Everything is time stamped, so you can see exactly when you sent them the message, and exactly when they send it back. Or maybe we can have it be any longer, I think up to a week I would be fine with, but there should be a hard limit.

I was thinking less time just to give the signing team a chance to pivot if the offer sheet is matched. But 48 hours would probably be another deterrent for teams to pursue a RFA.

I think there are definitely ideas that could be interesting and make the game better. It's just a matter of figuring out and thinking about all the ramifications before they are implemented. Whatever it is, teams can submit their proposals this weekend.

We could make RFA negotiations their own time slot, cause you think about it there's only gonna be 30 of them a year, say a week before Free Agency proper begins you can start offering RFAs contracts, that way if you offer someone and it gets matched, you don't lose any negotiating time with UFAs

Of course, that'd incentivize hoffa to try and poison pill teams, but they can always call his bluff. Or say you can only offer a limited number of RFAs contracts that you don't own the rights to.

[KnicksGadfly]

Hmm... I feel like I should extend Dadiet right now...not sure why

[Fat]

Leave the game as is!

[DerrickNoah]

This is alot of back & forth. At the end of the day, each team should have something similar to a “two-way contract” similar to the actual NBA. In my other league, everyone has 17 roster spots but two of those players MUST be on a rookie contract. You just can’t have 17 vets.

[Capn'O]

I'm going to submit a proposal for a no cost exempt slot for draft and stash.

[DerrickNoah]

I'm going to submit a proposal for a no cost exempt slot for draft and stash.

Did you read my purposely before you make it official?

[2010]

Yes. That's precisely what I meant. Expand rosters with the expanded slots going to IR and counting against the cap.

The IR slots are effective 2 way imo.

I'd be fine with expanding the roster spots to more than 15. But I don't want to make them true "two way" spots where they can be called up throughout the season. We already have a ton of lineup, rotation, strategy, trades and transactions changes every day. Teams moving players on and off their active lineups is not something I'd be thrilled with adding.

Am i tripping or isn't that what the IR already does? I typically keep my worse players there until guys get hurt. I've also noticed other GMs don't really use it.

I know not what you speak of. We got an IR? I thought we only had an EL.

[bishnykfan]

I'd be fine with expanding the roster spots to more than 15. But I don't want to make them true "two way" spots where they can be called up throughout the season. We already have a ton of lineup, rotation, strategy, trades and transactions changes every day. Teams moving players on and off their active lineups is not something I'd be thrilled with adding.

Am i tripping or isn't that what the IR already does? I typically keep my worse players there until guys get hurt. I've also noticed other GMs don't really use it.

I know not what you speak of. We got an IR? I thought we only had an EL.

No IR. I think people are getting confused with language and terminology.

We have 15 roster spots. Sim allows 12 active players for game day. So we have three extra roster spots “IR” now already.

The EL is basically your chance to stash players. I get what people are saying but I don’t know why the EL doesn’t work in most cases?