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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#181 » by Context » Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:47 pm

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kNicksGmen wrote:i still think both sides are uncertain. knicks are ready to make the moves needed to make sure they have the space to offer ihart the max if he'll take it, while having their other options open.

Ihart is still undecided and will be wined and dined before making a decision. my concern is the timing of things - if it drags on does that hurt the knicks if he does ultimately leave compared to us knowing up front.

still hopeful he returns though. i do think if he was for sure gone it would have been more obvious by now.

I respectfully disagree. At this point the Knicks know and Ihart knows. You can't make all of these moves and not know.
The Knicks have proven that they are not that type of organization.


Yeah the issue is they can’t officially open up the room for IHart until they S&T a player with Bojan to the Nets in order to open the cap space to the 2nd apron.

They can all be agreed on in principle, but I am pretty sure they would get hit with a tampering charge if they attempted to do a S&T before the official start of the offseason.

If they did the trade now it would mean that the Nets were talking to the player that was signed to them before the beginning of the offseason. Even if it’s a situation where the Knicks were the ones really doing the talking and the player agreed because the money was good.

The Knicks have a few players too, they can do this with so the issue would be which one wants a guaranteed 4 mil to go to Brooklyn.

this is precisely why I like the fact that its quiet... :D
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#182 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:14 pm

Any news on this front?
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#183 » by The Vo Show » Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:18 pm

Do we really want to give Hartenstein a bunch of money? I was all on board paying Hartenstein the max we can and still believe its probably the best play we have given the cap situation but is his skillset really necessary in the starting lineup?

Most of his passing/playmaking came after Randle went down. With Randle back, doesn't he eliminate a lot of IHart's contributions by removing a lot of IHart's touches? And Randle can also operate in a similar fashion to IHart as the handoff man since he can also pass just as well.

I think Mitch is actually the better starter even if we bring back IHart. I think IHart on the second unit with Brunson and Divo makes a lot more sense.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#184 » by sol537 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:19 pm

The Vo Show wrote:Do we really want to give Hartenstein a bunch of money? I was all on board paying Hartenstein the max we can and still believe its probably the best play we have given the cap situation but is his skillset really necessary in the starting lineup?

Most of his passing/playmaking came after Randle went down. With Randle back, doesn't he eliminate a lot of IHart's contributions by removing a lot of IHart's touches? And Randle can also operate in a similar fashion to IHart as the handoff man since he can also pass just as well.

I think Mitch is actually the better starter even if we bring back IHart. I think IHart on the second unit with Brunson and Divo makes a lot more sense.


He’s a great fit on this roster with these starters. A super role playing center. The $17m we can offer is very fair. It would be hard to replace 100% of what he gives us but we could replace maybe 70% of it with the right moves.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#185 » by Stannis » Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:20 pm

I know Hartenstein (like 99% of players) will want to get paid. But if it's only 2-3 million more... he might think twice.

How could you not want to stay on this team? They made it that far last POs with like only 6 healthy players.

I think he will do whatever he can to stay and will be transparent with the FO. Let the FO do their magic. This will only be a moot point if he gets like +15% more money elsewhere.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#186 » by sol537 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:21 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Any news on this front?


We won’t know until after June 30 6pm EST
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#187 » by Stannis » Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:22 pm

The Vo Show wrote:Do we really want to give Hartenstein a bunch of money? I was all on board paying Hartenstein the max we can and still believe its probably the best play we have given the cap situation but is his skillset really necessary in the starting lineup?

Most of his passing/playmaking came after Randle went down. With Randle back, doesn't he eliminate a lot of IHart's contributions by removing a lot of IHart's touches? And Randle can also operate in a similar fashion to IHart as the handoff man since he can also pass just as well.

I think Mitch is actually the better starter even if we bring back IHart. I think IHart on the second unit with Brunson and Divo makes a lot more sense.


Who else is there? I think Precious is gone too.

We need 2 Cs to compete with Boston, imo.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#188 » by NYKinMIA » Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:29 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Any news on this front?


We won’t know until after June 30 6pm EST


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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#189 » by WargamesX » Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:01 pm

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The Vo Show wrote:Do we really want to give Hartenstein a bunch of money? I was all on board paying Hartenstein the max we can and still believe its probably the best play we have given the cap situation but is his skillset really necessary in the starting lineup?

Most of his passing/playmaking came after Randle went down. With Randle back, doesn't he eliminate a lot of IHart's contributions by removing a lot of IHart's touches? And Randle can also operate in a similar fashion to IHart as the handoff man since he can also pass just as well.

I think Mitch is actually the better starter even if we bring back IHart. I think IHart on the second unit with Brunson and Divo makes a lot more sense.


Who else is there? I think Precious is gone too.

We need 2 Cs to compete with Boston, imo.


If IHart stays the most the FO could offer Precious is about $3.5 - $4 mil. Idk what the market is for him so that could be enough. I could maybe see the FO doing that because that gives them another trade piece, and precious was a ok backup PF. That would also let them sign the 2nd round exception players over the 2nd apron hard cap.They can go over it further next year too, so there is a logic to maybe keeping precious. It really depends on if he is willing to take less & if there is another player on the roster they can S&T.


Also that means they would S&T
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#190 » by aggo » Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:03 pm

Tf is going on
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#191 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:07 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Any news on this front?


We won’t know until after June 30 6pm EST


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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#192 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:08 pm

aggo wrote:Tf is going on


FO trying to figure out a way to keep Hartenstein AND Burks.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#193 » by StlHawksFan » Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:16 pm

I think if iHart does leave, we'll know by July 1. If he doesn't sign elsewhere by then, it means he will wait for Rose to make the deal.

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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#194 » by Galou » Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:42 pm

Hartenstein will be a Knick when the season starts.

All this talk is hogwash and a waste of time.

I'm 100% confident Hartenstein will make the decision to stay and kill that noise with these annoying tabloids.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#195 » by Spree2Houston » Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:48 pm

Mitch will end up starting. You got 4 scorers in the starting lineup now. Mitch will thrive on the offensive boards and getting our shooters more looks along with being the better defender. Hartenstein’s play making would be more needed with the 2nd unit along with getting more opportunities on offense.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#196 » by TrueWarrior » Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:59 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:Mitch will end up starting. You got 4 scorers in the starting lineup now. Mitch will thrive on the offensive boards and getting our shooters more looks along with being the better defender. Hartenstein’s play making would be more needed with the 2nd unit along with getting more opportunities on offense.


Isaiah is not coming back to be a backup dude, when he can get paid more and start elsewhere. If he re-signs he is our starter, and he should be.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#197 » by WargamesX » Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:14 pm

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Spree2Houston wrote:Mitch will end up starting. You got 4 scorers in the starting lineup now. Mitch will thrive on the offensive boards and getting our shooters more looks along with being the better defender. Hartenstein’s play making would be more needed with the 2nd unit along with getting more opportunities on offense.


Isaiah is not coming back to be a backup dude, when he can get paid more and start elsewhere. If he re-signs he is our starter, and he should be.


Who even knows. If the Knicks can figure out how to run it back with Isiah and Mitch the two of them are basically tag teaming the rest of the centers in the leagues like the Dudley Boyz.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#198 » by sol537 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:46 pm

iHart is the last infinity stone to complete the Gauntlet. Then Leon will snap his fingers and *poof* half the championships in the next 4 years will belong to the Knicks
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#199 » by Kampuchea » Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:59 pm

If he was definitely staying it would have been announced by now, he will see what offers he gets and we just hope ours is close enough.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#200 » by WargamesX » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:08 am

Kampuchea wrote:If he was definitely staying it would have been announced by now, he will see what offers he gets and we just hope ours is close enough.


That’s not accurate. They cannot announce anything until the offseason begins. It’s complicated, related to the Mikal trade, but that is basically why nothing can be said yet.
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