Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[Daver]

So im assuming if the bucks had 1 core piece to trade you all woukd trade midds n keep brook

[LuessiT]

I don’t think Kuminga does anything for us though. He’s a promising player and gives us more athleticism, but neither offensively nor defensively is he what we are looking for. That’s why I like Houston more as a trade partner. Jabari fits better and the filler is less awkward.

[Dick Tate]

We really should have signed Drummond.

Yeah, a real failure at convincing him to take a vet min.

[Frank Nova]

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That’s twice now, when mentioning specific players on the roster, Doc has sounded like Khris Middleton wasn’t even part of the team. 1st it was surrounding Dame and Giannis with better fits, not Dame, Giannis and Khris. And now when talking about rookies competing and not being awe struck it’s, “I get it, you’re in a gym with Dame, Giannis, Bobby, Brook”.

Feels like I’m grasping at straws here but is it maybe a thing that Doc doesn’t either think very highly of Khris or he believes Khris won’t be a part of the team much longer?

[theFireBlanket]

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That’s twice now, when mentioning specific players on the roster, Doc has sounded like Khris Middleton wasn’t even part of the team. 1st it was surrounding Dame and Giannis with better fits, not Dame, Giannis and Khris. And now when talking about rookies competing and not being awe struck it’s, “I get it, you’re in a gym with Dame, Giannis, Bobby, Brook”.

Feels like I’m grasping at straws here but is it maybe a thing that Doc doesn’t either think very highly of Khris or he believes Khris won’t be a part of the team much longer?

Better be a good trade, if that's the case, because Khris was crucial this past year.

Or boosting Brook's value. Or he envisions those cats playing in separate rotations from Khris.

[RogerMurdock]

Couldnt help but notice that when Doc went through the vets that the rookies can learn from he named off, in order,

Dame
Giannis
Bobby
Brook

No mention of Khris.

Also, Horst implying that there will be a couple big moves today (in the league).

It's because of their positions.

[soxperry]

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That’s twice now, when mentioning specific players on the roster, Doc has sounded like Khris Middleton wasn’t even part of the team. 1st it was surrounding Dame and Giannis with better fits, not Dame, Giannis and Khris. And now when talking about rookies competing and not being awe struck it’s, “I get it, you’re in a gym with Dame, Giannis, Bobby, Brook”.

Feels like I’m grasping at straws here but is it maybe a thing that Doc doesn’t either think very highly of Khris or he believes Khris won’t be a part of the team much longer?

I suspect that if he doesn't value Khris its within the context of our current roster. In a vacuum, Khris is great.
Doc did praise Khris when he was last on the Simmons pod for being "so smart."

Idk

During that last presser, either Doc or Horst said we have 6 returning playoff proven vets. So lets see

Dame
Khris
Giannis
Brook
Bobby
Pat

If you can find a 7th, Khris may be gone.

[jimmybones]

The only thing that's fair to critique is the use of the draft picks. I've been harping as much as anyone that expecting rookies to contribute towards a championship is statistically/historically nigh impossible. But I think pretty much any other use of those picks would have been way more appropriate given our circumstances. Like, not finding a taker for one or both of those picks to either A) kick the can down the road and acquire future tradeable draft assets, or B) package those picks with salary for an immediate starter/rotation guy does make me question what the plan even is here.

The problem is it takes two to tango and we'll never know if those picks held any actual value. There weren't any draft night/day deals that saw picks in the Bucks range being moved for useful vets.

Similarly, we don't know the value of Bobby, Brook, Pat, or Khris until they're moved. Maybe they've got a bunch of value and Horst is weighing his options. Or maybe the offers suck and the Bucks are better off holding onto them for now.

We won't know until moves are actually made, if they get made at all.

True, but the Knicks traded #26 for five 2nd-round picks. The Suns traded back just six spots in the late-1st and picked up three additional 2nd-rounders. The Blazers packaged #14 and salary (Brogdon) for Deni. These are the kind of margins moves I think we needed to make here.

Why? I'd rather see if a talented (albeit raw) AJ is something in a year or two than have 19 second round picks

[msiris]

Doc is old and probably just forot about Mids.

[mcfromage]

If im trading kris its for someone like ingram players of his mold not guys who are meh

Ingram feels like a best case scenario in a Khris deal imo.

[soxperry]

Im going to predict that we land Sexton. I know hes a bad defender, but he was good enough offensively last season to counterbalance that. Only D Mitch and Kyrie had a better offensive LEBRON rating.

Dame
Sexton
Khris
Defensive pf
Giannis

Slaughter

Then if Khris or Dame get hurt, we still have three scoring options. If Giannis gets hurt we are screwed as always

[soxperry]

If im trading kris its for someone like ingram players of his mold not guys who are meh

Ingram feels like a best case scenario in a Khris deal imo.

Hes a no case scenario lol

Ingram is worth a lot

[JonHeist]

If im trading kris its for someone like ingram players of his mold not guys who are meh

Ingram feels like a best case scenario in a Khris deal imo.

Ingram is probably the worst player I wouldn't be super pissed about trading him for

khris/pat for BI works on the spotrac trade machine

maybe we could even get some of our picks back from them somehow

[PG Graveyard]

Who says no here?

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

Mil-Towns, Reddish, Hayes

Lakers- Brook

Wolves-Rui, Mids

I think this is pretty good all around but I’m scared of Towns a bit

[engelmartin]

Would Alec Burke take the minimum for a starting spot? He’s better than Beasley. Pretty much everyone is better than Beasley.

[SirChurros]

I’d trade Khash if you’re getting a guy like Ingram back. I don’t see why NOLA does that though.

[nagawicka]

The only thing that's fair to critique is the use of the draft picks. I've been harping as much as anyone that expecting rookies to contribute towards a championship is statistically/historically nigh impossible. But I think pretty much any other use of those picks would have been way more appropriate given our circumstances. Like, not finding a taker for one or both of those picks to either A) kick the can down the road and acquire future tradeable draft assets, or B) package those picks with salary for an immediate starter/rotation guy does make me question what the plan even is here.

Yet the alternative seems to be a median roster age of 42, chanting 3 times that the veteran last legs of george hill, jae crowder and pat bev will get us over the top, Connaughton being the guy b/c we can't swing a real upgrade @ the 2/3/4, and zero future due to having no 1sts on the roster to develop and having thrown away all 1sts in upcoming drafts. Somewhere, there's a cliff on that road. Sometime, this 'method' goes over it. Do you grow a team by repeat-buying stale twinkies at the kwik-trip? Agreed re use of draft picks insofar as a more conventional prospect would be more useful, and sooner; gambling for the next Giannis isn't worthwhile when they need an easier-to-find Rodman. You're right. Horst didn't execute a gamechanger. But you can't make bratwurst without real meat.

[engelmartin]

The only thing that's fair to critique is the use of the draft picks. I've been harping as much as anyone that expecting rookies to contribute towards a championship is statistically/historically nigh impossible. But I think pretty much any other use of those picks would have been way more appropriate given our circumstances. Like, not finding a taker for one or both of those picks to either A) kick the can down the road and acquire future tradeable draft assets, or B) package those picks with salary for an immediate starter/rotation guy does make me question what the plan even is here.

Yet the alternative seems to be a median roster age of 42, chanting 3 times that the veteran last legs of george hill, jae crowder and pat bev will get us over the top, Connaughton being the guy b/c we can't swing a real upgrade @ the 2/3/4, and zero future due to having no 1sts on the roster to develop and having thrown away all 1sts in upcoming drafts. Somewhere, there's a cliff on that road. Sometime, this 'method' goes over it. Do you grow a team by repeat-buying stale twinkies at the kwik-trip? Agreed re use of draft picks insofar as a more conventional prospect would be more useful, and sooner; gambling for the next Giannis isn't worthwhile when they need an easier-to-find Rodman. You're right. Horst didn't execute a gamechanger. But you can't make bratwurst without real meat.

Pretty sure Kwik Trip only sells “fresh” twinkies

[Dick Tate]

So im assuming if the bucks had 1 core piece to trade you all woukd trade midds n keep brook

Based on...?

[mlloyd10]

Is Daver an insider?