Don't speed it up: Wolves sign Slo-Mo Kyle Anderson (2yr/$18M)

[KGdaBom]

Okay, that makes sense. Too bad for MIN.

So a second round swap. In 2031 or when?

No swap. We couldn’t trade.

So there was no trade? What a SNAFU.

[Klomp]

Okay, that makes sense. Too bad for MIN.

So a second round swap. In 2031 or when?

No swap. We couldn’t trade.

No I think there's still a pick swap, it just couldn't create a trade exception.

[younggunsmn]

I think you got that backwards where the MLE can be used to trade for players now or claim them off waivers.
TPE's can be used for sign and trades.
Pretty sure you can't just outright sign a player with a TPE.

Yup backwards. Plus the new rules have me scratching my head.

You have me confused now. Can we or can we not sign a free agent with a TPE?

Cannot

[shrink]

So a second round swap. In 2031 or when?

No swap. We couldn’t trade.

No I think there's still a pick swap, it just couldn't create a trade exception.

Second Apron Rule: “not allowed to sign-and-trade your own free agent if the incoming amount puts you over the second apron.”

We are already over the second apron, so we have nothing to trade, right?

[BlacJacMac]

No swap. We couldn’t trade.

No I think there's still a pick swap, it just couldn't create a trade exception.

Second Apron Rule: “not allowed to sign-and-trade your own free agent if the incoming amount puts you over the second apron.”

We are already over the second apron, so we have nothing to trade, right?

But if there is no incoming amount...

[younggunsmn]

We can sign and trade Kyle, we just can't take back a single dollar of incoming salary in the transaction.

[Nick K]

Read on Twitter

Question is what do we get?

Read on Twitter

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And we also got a box of chocolate

Can I have a piece?

[shrink]

No I think there's still a pick swap, it just couldn't create a trade exception.

Second Apron Rule: “not allowed to sign-and-trade your own free agent if the incoming amount puts you over the second apron.”

We are already over the second apron, so we have nothing to trade, right?

But if there is no incoming amount...

I’m confused. I shouldn’t be going by abbreviated tweets. In general, CBA restrictions are in place where you end up after the deal is done. But I haven’t seen this happen before under this specific rule.

I’m not following GSW. Are they signing SloMo with cap space here or some kind of exception?

[BlacJacMac]

Second Apron Rule: “not allowed to sign-and-trade your own free agent if the incoming amount puts you over the second apron.”

We are already over the second apron, so we have nothing to trade, right?

But if there is no incoming amount...

I’m confused. I shouldn’t be going by abbreviated tweets. In general, CBA restrictions are in place where you end up after the deal is done. But I haven’t seen this happen before under this specific rule.

I’m not following GSW. Are they signing SloMo with cap space here or some kind of exception?

Apparently they're signing him into a TPE created in the Klay Thompson trade. We get a 2nd round pick swap on our end. So it has no bearing on our bottom line.

[shrink]

But if there is no incoming amount...

I’m confused. I shouldn’t be going by abbreviated tweets. In general, CBA restrictions are in place where you end up after the deal is done. But I haven’t seen this happen before under this specific rule.

I’m not following GSW. Are they signing SloMo with cap space here or some kind of exception?

Apparently they're signing him into a TPE created in the Klay Thompson trade. We get a 2nd round pick swap on our end. So it has no bearing on our bottom line.

So GSW is paying us to sign-and-trade him because they couldn’t have acquired him as a FA, only with their TPE? Ok.

[Klomp]

We can sign and trade Kyle, we just can't take back a single dollar of incoming salary in the transaction.

This is where I'm at too. Every indication is that it is still a sign-and-trade. No deleted tweets or clarifications about that wording yet.

[shrink]

We can sign and trade Kyle, we just can't take back a single dollar of incoming salary in the transaction.

This is where I'm at too. Every indication is that it is still a sign-and-trade. No deleted tweets or clarifications about that wording yet.

I hope that’s true.

Btw, the deal does create a TPE. We just can’t use it .. if we stay over the second apron.

Read on Twitter

[Nick K]

It looks like we did KA a huge favor. Good move TC.

[Klomp]

Golden State is a great fit for him. Second-unit Draymond role is a place he can shine!

[younggunsmn]

I’m confused. I shouldn’t be going by abbreviated tweets. In general, CBA restrictions are in place where you end up after the deal is done. But I haven’t seen this happen before under this specific rule.

I’m not following GSW. Are they signing SloMo with cap space here or some kind of exception?

Apparently they're signing him into a TPE created in the Klay Thompson trade. We get a 2nd round pick swap on our end. So it has no bearing on our bottom line.

So GSW is paying us to sign-and-trade him because they couldn’t have acquired him with a TPE in any other way? Ok.

They are using the TPE they got for sending Klay to Dallas, which Dallas got by dumping Tim Hardaway Jr into Detroit's cap space.
It's an atrociously abused thing in the league and should be outright eliminated.

[Nick K]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence. So can we use that trade exception in some other perhaps limited way?

Maybe going after a 3rd string PG?

[BlacJacMac]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence. So can we use that trade exception in some other perhaps limited way?

Maybe going after a 3rd string PG?

No. We have no usable exception.

[jpatrick]

A TPE isn’t going to matter. We clearly are not taking on any salary outside of minimums. I feel like we were essentially doing Anderson a favor. We weren’t going to pay him, so let’s get him to a very good situation where he’ll play and get paid a decent amount more than we’d offer.

The second apron is only going to get worse over the coming years. Unless we cut salary, getting under that apron, I fully expect to lose NAW/Naz next offseason.

[shrink]

It's an atrociously abused thing in the league and should be outright eliminated.

I agree, but TPE’s have been here for a long time. Both the owners and the Players Union want as many vehicles as possible to allow trades, and to get them done as quickly as possible, so “half trades now, finish later” TPEs were meant to help that. Particularly in the last 5-10 years, overall financial parity has become a bigger issue, and we saw big-spending teams made deals to create TPEs to maintain their salary. The CBA was never designed to prevent spending (the NBAPA would have none of that!) but to slow the rate that teams could quickly jump up. Now with owners that don’t care about money, some TPEs are simply salary storage vehicles, and the latest CBA seems to be attacking them directly for teams over the apron. I agree that is a good thing overall, though it might bite us in the butt today.

[shrink]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence. So can we use that trade exception in some other perhaps limited way?

I agree, he tweeted that in a confusing way. Looking at his summary rules tweet, I think he is trying to say that teams over the second apron can create and use TPE’s from trades made this season, but they can’t use them if they generated them by sign-and-trading their own player.

For example, if we traded Towns into another team’s cap space, we could use that TPE. But we can’t use a TPE created from a player we signed-and-traded, like Kyle.