Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[Context]

Talk is cheap. Who cares what these idiots say? Half the time they’re just trying to get clicks.

Exactly Wingo...Lets just play and we'll find out...

[stuporman]

If Philly has the 3 best players why did they lose in 6 to us ??

The hypothesis you present that time is merely a construction in the mind and not a linear unfolding of events in the universe is one that fascinates me...

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[Jalen Bluntson]

Can't wait to hear nothing after waiting all day for news. Should be fun.

[DaGawd]

Can't wait to hear nothing after waiting all day for news. Should be fun.

i wouldn’t expect to hear much until we at least finalize the bridges trade which is gonna be july 6th the earliest

[Juco24]

Talk is cheap. Who cares what these idiots say? Half the time they’re just trying to get clicks.

Yeah.... don't even know why some listen

[WargamesX]

Can't wait to hear nothing after waiting all day for news. Should be fun.

i wouldn’t expect to hear much until we at least finalize the bridges trade which is gonna be july 6th the earliest

Marks said that a few days ago and he was right.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Can't wait to hear nothing after waiting all day for news. Should be fun.

i wouldn’t expect to hear much until we at least finalize the bridges trade which is gonna be july 6th the earliest

Marks said that a few days ago and he was right.

So, we are gonna wait 3 more days before we decide what to do about Shart leaving? They can work out whatever they have to with the Mikal trade before the 6th and make other moves off that. Like they planned to do if Shart stayed. What if the targets get traded or sign somewhere else before then?

I would think they are still trying to work through the numbers and, hopefully have some deals lined up after that. It doesn't have to drag out until the 6th unless they are having issues finding the right deal. When it happens it happens and we will find out.

[WargamesX]

i wouldn’t expect to hear much until we at least finalize the bridges trade which is gonna be july 6th the earliest

Marks said that a few days ago and he was right.

So, we are gonna wait 3 more days before we decide what to do about Shart leaving? They can work out whatever they have to with the Mikal trade before the 6th and make other moves off that. Like they planned to do if Shart stayed. What if the targets get traded or sign somewhere else before then?

I would think they are still trying to work through the numbers and, hopefully have some deals lined up after that. It doesn't have to drag out until the 6th unless they are having issues finding the right deal. When it happens it happens and we will find out.

I think if its a trade its just not feasible until they complete the mikal trade to ascertain how much they can trade out of in, or they might have to make the Mikal trade bigger. We’ve seen teams do this before where one trade is announced and when it's finally completed more parts are added on.

[mpharris36]

i wouldn’t expect to hear much until we at least finalize the bridges trade which is gonna be july 6th the earliest

Marks said that a few days ago and he was right.

So, we are gonna wait 3 more days before we decide what to do about Shart leaving? They can work out whatever they have to with the Mikal trade before the 6th and make other moves off that. Like they planned to do if Shart stayed. What if the targets get traded or sign somewhere else before then?

I would think they are still trying to work through the numbers and, hopefully have some deals lined up after that. It doesn't have to drag out until the 6th unless they are having issues finding the right deal. When it happens it happens and we will find out.

there are a lot of moving pieces.

we either make the Mikal trade as is and we are hardcaped at the 1st apron which means we can't us the TPMLE for 5 MM or even bring back Precious.

we can expand the Mikal trade to include some more salary and hard cap at the 2nd apron with a S&T to open up the TPMLE and potentially use bird rights to go up against the 2nd apron.

Knicks want option 2...and have to think they have something up there sleeve because they wouldn't have been able to offer ihart the contract they did without having an avenue to get the 2nd apron.

But S&T are tricking and need to be at least 3 years (1 guaranteed) that means Burks or Precious have to sign a deal and want to go to that team to sign a very team friendly deal which isn't always easy to agree with a player at unless you front load the deal to make them happy.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Marks said that a few days ago and he was right.

So, we are gonna wait 3 more days before we decide what to do about Shart leaving? They can work out whatever they have to with the Mikal trade before the 6th and make other moves off that. Like they planned to do if Shart stayed. What if the targets get traded or sign somewhere else before then?

I would think they are still trying to work through the numbers and, hopefully have some deals lined up after that. It doesn't have to drag out until the 6th unless they are having issues finding the right deal. When it happens it happens and we will find out.

I think if its a trade its just not feasible until they complete the mikal trade to ascertain how much they can trade out of in, or they might have to make the Mikal trade bigger. We’ve seen teams do this before where one trade is announced and when it's finally completed more parts are added on.

If they are tweaking the Nets trade for apron purposes, it shouldn't take a week unless they are having issues settling on a deal for whatever reason. Once something happens we will find out. The 6th has nothing to do with it. They are still working on things obviously.

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this is also interesting information I wasn't aware of. Utah still owes OKC a 1st round pick if they aren't bad the next two years...if they are bad all OKC would get is 2028 2nd round pick.

Jazz want to unload anyone that helps them win especially in a draft glass people consider with difference makers.

[mpharris36]

So, we are gonna wait 3 more days before we decide what to do about Shart leaving? They can work out whatever they have to with the Mikal trade before the 6th and make other moves off that. Like they planned to do if Shart stayed. What if the targets get traded or sign somewhere else before then?

I would think they are still trying to work through the numbers and, hopefully have some deals lined up after that. It doesn't have to drag out until the 6th unless they are having issues finding the right deal. When it happens it happens and we will find out.

I think if its a trade its just not feasible until they complete the mikal trade to ascertain how much they can trade out of in, or they might have to make the Mikal trade bigger. We’ve seen teams do this before where one trade is announced and when it's finally completed more parts are added on.

If they are tweaking the Nets trade for apron purposes, it shouldn't take a week unless they are having issues settling on a deal for whatever reason. Once something happens we will find out. The 6th has nothing to do with it. They are still working on things obviously.

thats the point though they may have a fall back move that at least gets them into the 2nd apron but maybe they are exhausting all other opportunities first to expand the deal to now get a big man back via trade.

[KnixinSix]

Marks said that a few days ago and he was right.

So, we are gonna wait 3 more days before we decide what to do about Shart leaving? They can work out whatever they have to with the Mikal trade before the 6th and make other moves off that. Like they planned to do if Shart stayed. What if the targets get traded or sign somewhere else before then?

I would think they are still trying to work through the numbers and, hopefully have some deals lined up after that. It doesn't have to drag out until the 6th unless they are having issues finding the right deal. When it happens it happens and we will find out.

there are a lot of moving pieces.

we either make the Mikal trade as is and we are hardcaped at the 1st apron which means we can't us the TPMLE for 5 MM or even bring back Precious.

we can expand the Mikal trade to include some more salary and hard cap at the 2nd apron with a S&T to open up the TPMLE and potentially use bird rights to go up against the 2nd apron.

Knicks want option 2...and have to think they have something up there sleeve because they wouldn't have been able to offer ihart the contract they did without having an avenue to get the 2nd apron.

But S&T are tricking and need to be at least 3 years (1 guaranteed) that means Burks or Precious have to sign a deal and want to go to that team to sign a very team friendly deal which isn't always easy to agree with a player at unless you front load the deal to make them happy.

I remember reading
July 6th as a key date (I forgot for what) but maybe we will know by then.

Maybe it was when signings can become official.

I feel like the package for Bridges can be turned into a 3 team as long as Nets still get what they agreed to in principal for their return.

Maybe even they agreed to a couple different acceptable returns pending how we work out the other part of the trade (likely for Kessler or Richards).

I think Rose and company WILL be ultra aggressive to get a decent new Center in here. Because a rim protecting 5 seems critical to Thibs ideal system. And Mitch is just too injury prone to be your main/only option.

However they do it it will satisfy the tricky rules of this ridiculous CBA. At least such that we can execute the trade and posaibly get both Bridges and the Center in a single trade or 2 separate trades.

[mpharris36]

So, we are gonna wait 3 more days before we decide what to do about Shart leaving? They can work out whatever they have to with the Mikal trade before the 6th and make other moves off that. Like they planned to do if Shart stayed. What if the targets get traded or sign somewhere else before then?

I would think they are still trying to work through the numbers and, hopefully have some deals lined up after that. It doesn't have to drag out until the 6th unless they are having issues finding the right deal. When it happens it happens and we will find out.

there are a lot of moving pieces.

we either make the Mikal trade as is and we are hardcaped at the 1st apron which means we can't us the TPMLE for 5 MM or even bring back Precious.

we can expand the Mikal trade to include some more salary and hard cap at the 2nd apron with a S&T to open up the TPMLE and potentially use bird rights to go up against the 2nd apron.

Knicks want option 2...and have to think they have something up there sleeve because they wouldn't have been able to offer ihart the contract they did without having an avenue to get the 2nd apron.

But S&T are tricking and need to be at least 3 years (1 guaranteed) that means Burks or Precious have to sign a deal and want to go to that team to sign a very team friendly deal which isn't always easy to agree with a player at unless you front load the deal to make them happy.

I remember reading
July 6th as a key date (I forgot for what) but maybe we will know by then.

Maybe it was when signings can become official.

I feel like the package for Bridges can be turned into a 3 team as long as Nets still get what they agreed to in principal for their return.

Maybe even they agreed to a couple different acceptable returns pending how we work out the other part of the trade (likely for Kessler or Richards).

I think Rose and company WILL be ultra aggressive to get a decent new Center in here. Because a rim protecting 5 seems critical to Thibs ideal system. And Mitch is just too injury prone to be your main/only option.

However they do it it will satisfy the tricky rules of this ridiculous CBA. At least such that we can execute the trade and posaibly get both Bridges and the Center in a single trade or 2 separate trades.

Yes the 6th is the date players can officially sign with there new teams. It doesn't mean that Burks or Precious could verbally agree to another team and we could have heard it by now...but since those S&T might be directly related to the Mikal trade they probably won't leak or announced yet because the money/years/guarantees all have to be agreed to with all 3 parties. Knicks the team taking on the player via the S&T and the player also would have to ok with going to that new team and have unguaranteed years tacked onto there contract because S&T have to be a minimum of 3 years (only 1 guaranteed).

[Jalen Bluntson]

Marks said that a few days ago and he was right.

So, we are gonna wait 3 more days before we decide what to do about Shart leaving? They can work out whatever they have to with the Mikal trade before the 6th and make other moves off that. Like they planned to do if Shart stayed. What if the targets get traded or sign somewhere else before then?

I would think they are still trying to work through the numbers and, hopefully have some deals lined up after that. It doesn't have to drag out until the 6th unless they are having issues finding the right deal. When it happens it happens and we will find out.

there are a lot of moving pieces.

we either make the Mikal trade as is and we are hardcaped at the 1st apron which means we can't us the TPMLE for 5 MM or even bring back Precious.

we can expand the Mikal trade to include some more salary and hard cap at the 2nd apron with a S&T to open up the TPMLE and potentially use bird rights to go up against the 2nd apron.

Knicks want option 2...and have to think they have something up there sleeve because they wouldn't have been able to offer ihart the contract they did without having an avenue to get the 2nd apron.

But S&T are tricking and need to be at least 3 years (1 guaranteed) that means Burks or Precious have to sign a deal and want to go to that team to sign a very team friendly deal which isn't always easy to agree with a player at unless you front load the deal to make them happy.

I understand all of that. Like I said, the 6th has nothing to do with any of that. It's a matter of still having to work things out. When that happens we will hear something. It could be today. I could be a week from today.

[mpharris36]

So, we are gonna wait 3 more days before we decide what to do about Shart leaving? They can work out whatever they have to with the Mikal trade before the 6th and make other moves off that. Like they planned to do if Shart stayed. What if the targets get traded or sign somewhere else before then?

I would think they are still trying to work through the numbers and, hopefully have some deals lined up after that. It doesn't have to drag out until the 6th unless they are having issues finding the right deal. When it happens it happens and we will find out.

there are a lot of moving pieces.

we either make the Mikal trade as is and we are hardcaped at the 1st apron which means we can't us the TPMLE for 5 MM or even bring back Precious.

we can expand the Mikal trade to include some more salary and hard cap at the 2nd apron with a S&T to open up the TPMLE and potentially use bird rights to go up against the 2nd apron.

Knicks want option 2...and have to think they have something up there sleeve because they wouldn't have been able to offer ihart the contract they did without having an avenue to get the 2nd apron.

But S&T are tricking and need to be at least 3 years (1 guaranteed) that means Burks or Precious have to sign a deal and want to go to that team to sign a very team friendly deal which isn't always easy to agree with a player at unless you front load the deal to make them happy.

I understand all of that. Like I said, the 6th has nothing to do with any of that. It's a matter of still having to work things out. When that happens we will hear something. It could be today. I could be a week from today.

my guess is they have something roughly worked out because they wouldn't have been able to even offer Ihart the 4/72 without knowing they could get over the 2nd apron which means the Mikal deal would have to expand...so they had to have at least some kind of additional move we haven't heard about.

My guess is now with the official ihart news leaving they probably are just exhausting all opportunities to expand the deal further to not have to make another separate trade and maybe hard cap themselves again.

July 6th means something because that is when players get signed...so that is also when S&T trade deals can be official.

[Jeffrey]

I was reading Reddit about Walker Kessler and some Utah Jazz fans express these thoughts about why Ainge might trade him... btw, I feel that fans are more in tuned than national media "analysts".

1. Didn't grow as much as they thought
2. He sulks a lot, body language on court is bad
3. He has gotten into arguments with Will Hardy over playing time and other things
4. He wants to shoot 3s

[Fury]

I was reading Reddit about Walker Kessler and some Utah Jazz fans express these thoughts about why Ainge might trade him... btw, I feel that fans are more in tuned than national media "analysts".

1. Didn't grow as much as they thought
2. He sulks a lot, body language on court is bad
3. He has gotten into arguments with Will Hardy over playing time and other things
4. He wants to shoot 3s

We gotta get him. He ain’t sulking and getting into arguments here with Thibs. Hardy is like 26 years old. Thibs will keep him in line.

[perrier_jones]

I was reading Reddit about Walker Kessler and some Utah Jazz fans express these thoughts about why Ainge might trade him... btw, I feel that fans are more in tuned than national media "analysts".

1. Didn't grow as much as they thought
2. He sulks a lot, body language on court is bad
3. He has gotten into arguments with Will Hardy over playing time and other things
4. He wants to shoot 3s

We gotta get him. He ain’t sulking and getting into arguments here with Thibs. Hardy is like 26 years old. Thibs will keep him in line.

Yeah I'd be optimistic the Thibs culture and team chemistry would help with that, especially if they're winning.