How is CC's rookie year going to go?

[Ice Man]

I saw a guy on YouTube saying that while he thinks Clark deserves the ROTY, he thinks Reese will get it. Mainly because the people who do the voting tend to favor the big players. They don't value guards so much, so the award usually goes to a forward or center. And the press does seem to be pushing Reese more, so that might make sense.

We'll see. There's no history of giving MVPs to guards. The last guard to be named MVP was Diana Tauresi, in 2009. However, there have been several guards named ROY. most of which didn't end up being all that good.

I mean, honestly, this is something for us to talk about but it really doesn't matter. Bird and Magic remember which one of them won ROY, but it's not as if the player who didn't win went down on history as a loser because of that.

[rmontro]

I mean, honestly, this is something for us to talk about but it really doesn't matter. Bird and Magic remember which one of them won ROY, but it's not as if the player who didn't win went down on history as a loser because of that.

I'm sure whoever loses it will just use it as fuel to work harder. Although Reese is the only one actively campaigning to be ROTY as far as I know.

[Ice Man]

Although Reese is the only one actively campaigning to be ROTY as far as I know.

Angel's favorite topic is Angel. That's not going to change.

[MrDollarBills]

I love AB and CC Caitlin could barely keep it together

I think it's interesting that Caitlin is so well known for saying all the right things to the press. But on the court she is known to be a trash talker, and was getting pretty mouthy with the refs - especially earlier in the year. I think Sides has coached her to quash that.

Becky Hammon said like a week or so back that CC talks the most trash out of anyone and it's the truth. I watch her when she's out there and she runs her mouth just like she did in Iowa I dunno where this idea came from that she's this sweet little angel, she's a ruthless competitor.

I don't like the complaining to the refs though. That's one of my main criticisms of her in Year 1. Play ball rookie and let Sides work the refs

[rmontro]

I don't like the complaining to the refs though. That's one of my main criticisms of her in Year 1. Play ball rookie and let Sides work the refs

Yeah, I wish Sides would do it though. Like there was a turnover call where Mitchell, I think, was called for stepping out of bounds, but she didn't. I was waiting for Sides to challenge it, but as usual crickets.

[MrDollarBills]

I saw a guy on YouTube saying that while he thinks Clark deserves the ROTY, he thinks Reese will get it. Mainly because the people who do the voting tend to favor the big players. They don't value guards so much, so the award usually goes to a forward or center. And the press does seem to be pushing Reese more, so that might make sense.

We'll see. There's no history of giving MVPs to guards. The last guard to be named MVP was Diana Tauresi, in 2009. However, there have been several guards named ROY. most of which didn't end up being all that good.

I mean, honestly, this is something for us to talk about but it really doesn't matter. Bird and Magic remember which one of them won ROY, but it's not as if the player who didn't win went down on history as a loser because of that.

At this point, unless either of their games fall off a cliff post ASB or god forbid an injury occurs, I would be perfectly fine if they both win the award ala Grant Hill and Jason Kidd did in their rookie year, because both of them have been nothing short of historic.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't like the complaining to the refs though. That's one of my main criticisms of her in Year 1. Play ball rookie and let Sides work the refs

Yeah, I wish Sides would do it though. Like there was a turnover call where Mitchell, I think, was called for stepping out of bounds, but she didn't. I was waiting for Sides to challenge it, but as usual crickets.

I'm gonna be real with you I don't see Sides lasting another year. This year it's fine but the expectations will be seriously high next season especially if the Fever make the playoffs

[Ice Man]

I don't like the complaining to the refs though.

Hey, I'm a Bulls fan. Compared to Zach LaVine, she's a stoic.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't like the complaining to the refs though.

Hey, I'm a Bulls fan. Compared to Zach LaVine, she's a stoic.

My vote goes to Spencer Dinwiddie, he might be the biggest crybaby in both leagues put together

[rmontro]

I'm gonna be real with you I don't see Sides lasting another year. This year it's fine but the expectations will be seriously high next season especially if the Fever make the playoffs

Once the Fever got off that brutal "11 games in 20 days" run at the start of the season, many of them against some of the best teams in the league, they've shown a lot of improvement. They started out 2-9, and they've gone 7-4 since then. My guess is they make the playoffs, and have a good chance of reaching .500. I'm a little fearful that the administration (not known to be one of the better ones in the league) will look at that and say SIdes has proven she deserves to stay.

She has improved some of her more questionable decisions too, as the team has improved. Also, if they're going to replace her, do they have a good option to bring in?

[Ice Man]

My vote goes to Spencer Dinwiddie, he might be the biggest crybaby in both leagues put together

It's hard to beat Luka.

[IlikeSHAIguys]

How is CC's rookie year looking vs other rookie years for great players?

[ellobo]

How is CC's rookie year looking vs other rookie years for great players?

She's having a very nice season, and has been really ramping up the assists and rebounds lately. With her triple double last game (first ever for a rookie), she's averaging 16.1points/7.4 assists/6.0 rebounds/1.4 steals/0.8 blocks. 55.6 TS% and 88.8 FT%. She does lead the league in turnovers with 5.5. According to a recent ESPN article by Kevin Pelton, she is second in the league to Jackie Young in points per possession as the pick and roll ballhandler on plays where she shoots, gets fouled, passes to someone who shoots or gets fouled, or turns the ball over. So even with her high turnovers, a Clark pick and roll is still a very high efficiency play.

By the way, there have only been 15 total 7+ assist seasons in WNBA history, 6 of them by Courtney Vandersloot and 5 by Ticha Penicheiro. No one has ever averaged 7+ assists for a career, and no one has ever averaged 7+ assists and 16+ points for a whole season. Alyssa Thomas came closest last year with 15.5ppg/7.9apg (not to mention 9.9 rebounds). So while 16 and 7 is an arbitrary combination, it does show how solid her production has been.

[hermes]

How is CC's rookie year looking vs other rookie years for great players?

https://www.reddit.com/r/wnba/comments/1dxxzbb/caitlin_clark_rookie_season_vs_past_rookie_greats/

this guy went into great depth on it

[rmontro]

We'll see. There's no history of giving MVPs to guards.

I heard today one reason guards rarely win ROTY is because it is more difficult for a guard to transition to the pro game than for a post player. If that's true, it should make Clark stand out all the more, who is doing a great job adapting IMO. But the media, who does the voting, seems intent on pushing Reese, so she's probably the likely favorite.

[Jay 20]

Clark is playing a lot of minutes after about a 3 week off-season. Her sophomore year is when she will really take off and go to another level.

I don't care about ROY because media are already laying the ground work to try and convince people Reese should win.

Curry didn't win it and his career has turned out just fine.

[Ghetto Gospel]

looks like CC currently has the lead in ROY voting, at least among the panel of AP voters

https://apnews.com/article/wnba-rookie-of-year-clark-reese-6f29bc3c7bd2bd4ce07e8cdfcaaf34b6

NEW YORK (AP) — Caitlin Clark leads Angel Reese in the race for WNBA Rookie of the Year honors at the midpoint of the season, according to a national panel of voters who also rank the AP Power Poll each week.

Clark and Reese have garnered national attention with record-setting rookie seasons — leading to them being the first rookie duo to make an All-Star team since 2014 — so it’s no surprise that they’re the leading candidates for the award.

The pair have helped the league to huge increases in ratings, attendance and merchandise sales and with so much basketball still to be played an argument can be made for either to win the award.

But at the halfway point, the 15-member panel gives the edge to Clark in a 9-5 vote. One person didn’t vote.

“Today, I would say Clark, only because they have one more win overall as a team and have a 2-1 lead head-to-head,” said voter Christy Winters-Scott, a basketball analyst for the Mystics. “Clearly this could change as the WNBA season progresses. It has been a complete joy for me to witness how both players have evolved as professionals in such a short amount of time in the league.”

[MrDollarBills]

I don't think there's a conspiracy by the media to give Angel ROTY, she is literally putting up historic numbers, there is no way they cannot acknowledge this and the fact that she is a legit contender for the award. It would be pretty weird if the media kept silent about that tbh.

Imo, this thing will shift back and forth for the remainder of the season as these two continue to rip apart the record book.

[MrDollarBills]

looks like CC currently has the lead in ROY voting, at least among the panel of AP voters

https://apnews.com/article/wnba-rookie-of-year-clark-reese-6f29bc3c7bd2bd4ce07e8cdfcaaf34b6

NEW YORK (AP) — Caitlin Clark leads Angel Reese in the race for WNBA Rookie of the Year honors at the midpoint of the season, according to a national panel of voters who also rank the AP Power Poll each week.

Clark and Reese have garnered national attention with record-setting rookie seasons — leading to them being the first rookie duo to make an All-Star team since 2014 — so it’s no surprise that they’re the leading candidates for the award.

The pair have helped the league to huge increases in ratings, attendance and merchandise sales and with so much basketball still to be played an argument can be made for either to win the award.

But at the halfway point, the 15-member panel gives the edge to Clark in a 9-5 vote. One person didn’t vote.

“Today, I would say Clark, only because they have one more win overall as a team and have a 2-1 lead head-to-head,” said voter Christy Winters-Scott, a basketball analyst for the Mystics. “Clearly this could change as the WNBA season progresses. It has been a complete joy for me to witness how both players have evolved as professionals in such a short amount of time in the league.”

Can you remember a time where two players have come into a pro league and made this much noise as rookies in the post Magic/Bird era?

I am hard pressed to think of anyone outside of Jason Kidd and Grant Hill, and even then they weren't doing historical things like Angel and CC are.

[Ghetto Gospel]

looks like CC currently has the lead in ROY voting, at least among the panel of AP voters

https://apnews.com/article/wnba-rookie-of-year-clark-reese-6f29bc3c7bd2bd4ce07e8cdfcaaf34b6

NEW YORK (AP) — Caitlin Clark leads Angel Reese in the race for WNBA Rookie of the Year honors at the midpoint of the season, according to a national panel of voters who also rank the AP Power Poll each week.

Clark and Reese have garnered national attention with record-setting rookie seasons — leading to them being the first rookie duo to make an All-Star team since 2014 — so it’s no surprise that they’re the leading candidates for the award.

The pair have helped the league to huge increases in ratings, attendance and merchandise sales and with so much basketball still to be played an argument can be made for either to win the award.

But at the halfway point, the 15-member panel gives the edge to Clark in a 9-5 vote. One person didn’t vote.

“Today, I would say Clark, only because they have one more win overall as a team and have a 2-1 lead head-to-head,” said voter Christy Winters-Scott, a basketball analyst for the Mystics. “Clearly this could change as the WNBA season progresses. It has been a complete joy for me to witness how both players have evolved as professionals in such a short amount of time in the league.”

Can you remember a time where two players have come into a pro league and made this much noise as rookies in the post Magic/Bird era?

I am hard pressed to think of anyone outside of Jason Kidd and Grant Hill, and even then they weren't doing historical things like Angel and CC are.

hmm lebron and melo come to mind as another somewhat close great race but yeah even that was a long time ago