Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[TrueWarrior]

We found Isaiah off the scrap heap… we can find a comparable replacement, I’m sure.

You guys keep underrating Isaiah. He was legit for years before we got him, and was actually at his best on the Clippers/Cavs. He just fell threw the cracks to us. He’d still prob be Mitch’s backup too if Mitch never got hurt again.

Isaiah was a rarity. His whole journey bouncing around and then getting paid 30 mill a year basically never happens. Pretending we will just strike gold again in the next season or two is wishful thinking bro.

We pushed 90% of our chips in. We may as well push in the rest and go for it all now before other powerhouses/Wemby emerge. Grab Kessler or another starting level C. We cannot count on Mitch, Precious/Jericho, Hukporti, etc being enough.

We got Isaiah on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Josh Hart on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Brunson on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got DDV on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got McBride on the cheap... and he blossomed.

See the trend here? When something happens often enough, it's no longer a fluke or accident, and you have to give some credit to our scouts and decision makers and have confidence that they can do it again during this run/window. Maybe it's Kessler or maybe it's someone else. No worries.

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

[8516knicks]

You guys keep underrating Isaiah. He was legit for years before we got him, and was actually at his best on the Clippers/Cavs. He just fell threw the cracks to us. He’d still prob be Mitch’s backup too if Mitch never got hurt again.

Isaiah was a rarity. His whole journey bouncing around and then getting paid 30 mill a year basically never happens. Pretending we will just strike gold again in the next season or two is wishful thinking bro.

We pushed 90% of our chips in. We may as well push in the rest and go for it all now before other powerhouses/Wemby emerge. Grab Kessler or another starting level C. We cannot count on Mitch, Precious/Jericho, Hukporti, etc being enough.

We got Isaiah on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Josh Hart on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Brunson on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got DDV on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got McBride on the cheap... and he blossomed.

See the trend here? When something happens often enough, it's no longer a fluke or accident, and you have to give some credit to our scouts and decision makers and have confidence that they can do it again during this run/window. Maybe it's Kessler or maybe it's someone else. No worries.

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

We got Josh cheap.

[aggo]

I think if josh hit free agency this summer he would get 25m/yr

[TrueWarrior]

We got Isaiah on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Josh Hart on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Brunson on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got DDV on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got McBride on the cheap... and he blossomed.

See the trend here? When something happens often enough, it's no longer a fluke or accident, and you have to give some credit to our scouts and decision makers and have confidence that they can do it again during this run/window. Maybe it's Kessler or maybe it's someone else. No worries.

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

We got Josh cheap.

We traded a protected 1st and Knox for Cam. Then traded Cam and our 1st last year for Josh.

Josh is a good backup wing but we didnt get him cheap. How much more would you have given up for him then? He also didnt play as well for us in a crowded backcourt last year until the injuries opened more time up, so we’ll see how he does this year.

Either way, Im trying to win a ring in the next 2-3 years. Our time is now. We cant just hope we find another diamond like Isaiah who fits our timeline, cap, system, etc. No need to panic yet but the clock has started running for us.

[sol537]

You guys keep underrating Isaiah. He was legit for years before we got him, and was actually at his best on the Clippers/Cavs. He just fell threw the cracks to us. He’d still prob be Mitch’s backup too if Mitch never got hurt again.

Isaiah was a rarity. His whole journey bouncing around and then getting paid 30 mill a year basically never happens. Pretending we will just strike gold again in the next season or two is wishful thinking bro.

We pushed 90% of our chips in. We may as well push in the rest and go for it all now before other powerhouses/Wemby emerge. Grab Kessler or another starting level C. We cannot count on Mitch, Precious/Jericho, Hukporti, etc being enough.

We got Isaiah on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Josh Hart on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Brunson on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got DDV on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got McBride on the cheap... and he blossomed.

See the trend here? When something happens often enough, it's no longer a fluke or accident, and you have to give some credit to our scouts and decision makers and have confidence that they can do it again during this run/window. Maybe it's Kessler or maybe it's someone else. No worries.

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

Finding a quality Thibs' style center on the cheap is probably easier now than it ever has been. We may have to wait until the deadline, but we'll find one, no doubt. The reason it's easier now is because many teams are moving away from the Thibs' style rim-runner, rim protector type bigs & playstyle so those guys are having a harder time finding homes and paydays. No need to worry, my friend.

[newyorker4ever]

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Eff him, he's too short to win with.

[robillionaire]

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

We got Josh cheap.

We traded a protected 1st and Knox for Cam. Then traded Cam and our 1st last year for Josh.

Josh is a good backup wing but we didnt get him cheap. How much more would you have given up for him then? He also didnt play as well for us in a crowded backcourt last year until the injuries opened more time up, so we’ll see how he does this year.

Either way, Im trying to win a ring in the next 2-3 years. Our time is now. We cant just hope we find another diamond like Isaiah who fits our timeline, cap, system, etc. No need to panic yet but the clock has started running for us.

I don’t even think it’s fair to count Knox and that protected first that we gave for scam with his cost since that deal was done already.

But even if look at it as cynically as possible, the protected first, Knox, Scam, and the 23rd pick for Hart are still highway robbery imo. Basically a whole lot of nothing.

Also that 1st is the hornets pick protected 1-14, it’s been passed around like a doobie, the Spurs have it now and if the hornets miss the playoffs this year it’ll become 2 seconds in 2026 and 2027. So it probably isn’t even really a 1st

The main thing I thought was a lot was his contract extension but now even that looks decent

[Iron Mantis]

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Imagine paying OG more $$$ than our franchise-changing, top 10 in the league talent.

That would be crazy.

[TrueWarrior]

We got Isaiah on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Josh Hart on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Brunson on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got DDV on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got McBride on the cheap... and he blossomed.

See the trend here? When something happens often enough, it's no longer a fluke or accident, and you have to give some credit to our scouts and decision makers and have confidence that they can do it again during this run/window. Maybe it's Kessler or maybe it's someone else. No worries.

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

Finding a quality Thibs' style center on the cheap is probably easier now than it ever has been. We may have to wait until the deadline, but we'll find one, no doubt. The reason it's easier now is because many teams are moving away from the Thibs' style rim-runner, rim protector type bigs & playstyle so those guys are having a harder time finding homes and paydays. No need to worry, my friend.

You’re opening up another can of worms mentioning Thibs.

There’s a reason most teams have moved away from Thibs’ style. However, if we’re sticking with him as it seems we are for at least another few seasons, then we need a legit and healthy STARTING level C. Not just a decent “quality” backup guy if we want to go all the way, especially if Mitch gets hurt.

Idk how old you are, but this team went 10 years without a decent center in the 2000s in between Camby and Tyson. Then had to wait 5 more years after Tyson to get Mitch (who has been injured half the time and took a little bit to stop fouling like crazy). We have a different front office now, but we’re not the only contending team looking for a big man.

If you wanna believe we’ll find another awesome sleeper soon then who am I to rain on your hopes. Just saying Leon isnt some magician.

[Besart19]

if Diop is playable we need only three more additions

a backup C, a veteran PG and a veteran shooter as an insurance

Kessler or Achiuwa, Jones or Lowey and Gallinari or Walker

Kessler / Hukporti
Diop / Gallinari
Hart / Dadiet
Donte / McCullar
Jones / Kolek

[aggo]

go get lavine

[thebuzzardman]

You guys keep underrating Isaiah. He was legit for years before we got him, and was actually at his best on the Clippers/Cavs. He just fell threw the cracks to us. He’d still prob be Mitch’s backup too if Mitch never got hurt again.

Isaiah was a rarity. His whole journey bouncing around and then getting paid 30 mill a year basically never happens. Pretending we will just strike gold again in the next season or two is wishful thinking bro.

We pushed 90% of our chips in. We may as well push in the rest and go for it all now before other powerhouses/Wemby emerge. Grab Kessler or another starting level C. We cannot count on Mitch, Precious/Jericho, Hukporti, etc being enough.

We got Isaiah on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Josh Hart on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Brunson on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got DDV on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got McBride on the cheap... and he blossomed.

See the trend here? When something happens often enough, it's no longer a fluke or accident, and you have to give some credit to our scouts and decision makers and have confidence that they can do it again during this run/window. Maybe it's Kessler or maybe it's someone else. No worries.

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

Two 1sts for Josh? Do tell.

[Capn'O]

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

We got Josh cheap.

We traded a protected 1st and Knox for Cam. Then traded Cam and our 1st last year for Josh.

Josh is a good backup wing but we didnt get him cheap. How much more would you have given up for him then? He also didnt play as well for us in a crowded backcourt last year until the injuries opened more time up, so we’ll see how he does this year.

Either way, Im trying to win a ring in the next 2-3 years. Our time is now. We cant just hope we find another diamond like Isaiah who fits our timeline, cap, system, etc. No need to panic yet but the clock has started running for us.

The pick for Cam was a pick for Cam, not Josh. Sunk cost.

[Capn'O]

We probably have a deal in the works for a C.

[robillionaire]

We got Isaiah on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Josh Hart on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got Brunson on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got DDV on the cheap... and he blossomed.
We got McBride on the cheap... and he blossomed.

See the trend here? When something happens often enough, it's no longer a fluke or accident, and you have to give some credit to our scouts and decision makers and have confidence that they can do it again during this run/window. Maybe it's Kessler or maybe it's someone else. No worries.

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

Two 1sts for Josh? Do tell.

In practice it’s more like zero firsts. One will not convey and even if we were forced to keep that 23rd pick and there’s someone in hindsight you really would have liked to draft last year and give a guaranteed deal to(I don’t know of such a player) Leon wouldn’t have selected him and likely would have traded back for a bunch of picks in the 50s

[Besart19]

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[knicks1999]

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Eff him, he's too short to win with.

She is wearing a face mask….tells you all you need to know…..LOL

[sol537]

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

Finding a quality Thibs' style center on the cheap is probably easier now than it ever has been. We may have to wait until the deadline, but we'll find one, no doubt. The reason it's easier now is because many teams are moving away from the Thibs' style rim-runner, rim protector type bigs & playstyle so those guys are having a harder time finding homes and paydays. No need to worry, my friend.

You’re opening up another can of worms mentioning Thibs.

There’s a reason most teams have moved away from Thibs’ style. However, if we’re sticking with him as it seems we are for at least another few seasons, then we need a legit and healthy STARTING level C. Not just a decent “quality” backup guy if we want to go all the way, especially if Mitch gets hurt.

Idk how old you are, but this team went 10 years without a decent center in the 2000s in between Camby and Tyson. Then had to wait 5 more years after Tyson to get Mitch (who has been injured half the time and took a little bit to stop fouling like crazy). We have a different front office now, but we’re not the only contending team looking for a big man.

If you wanna believe we’ll find another awesome sleeper soon then who am I to rain on your hopes. Just saying Leon isnt some magician.

Our front office has stunk during those periods you mentioned. We've brought in more quality winning players in the last 24 months than we have in the previous 24 years combined. Let the man continue to cook.

[nykballa2k4]

I wouldn’t say we got Josh cheap. 2 young players and 2 1sts is an overpay if anything.

Jalen and Donte were signed in FA for solid money. They clearly outplayed their contracts but they weren’t minimum guys or anything. We only have 5 mill to spend now.

Deuce is a solid 2nd round pick. Nothing special and took him 3 years to become playable.

Isaiah is the outlier as we signed him for only 8 mill a year, but he always had starter potential. I said it right when we signed him in his welcome thread that he would take Mitch’s job. I was not surprised at all.

It’s not as easy to find a starting center who fits, especially with the limited assets/cap space we have now, than it is to find backup guards like Donte, Josh, and Deuce. That’s my main point here.

We need a center who can play 20+ mpg, and start when Mitch gets hurt (or eventually push Mitch to the bench like Isaiah did). We’ll see if we can find that guy. Isaiahs dont grow on trees though.

We got Josh cheap.

We traded a protected 1st and Knox for Cam. Then traded Cam and our 1st last year for Josh.

Josh is a good backup wing but we didnt get him cheap. How much more would you have given up for him then? He also didnt play as well for us in a crowded backcourt last year until the injuries opened more time up, so we’ll see how he does this year.

Either way, Im trying to win a ring in the next 2-3 years. Our time is now. We cant just hope we find another diamond like Isaiah who fits our timeline, cap, system, etc. No need to panic yet but the clock has started running for us.

Bad logic.
We traded a contract (Reddish) and a mid/low FRP for Hart who immediately sparked the team.
Knox and pick for Reddish was bad value.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

go get lavine