Ingram for Ayton

Boonicus · Post #1 » by **Boonicus** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:38 pm

Pelicans get Ayton and filller
Blazers get Ingram and filler

Pelicans get a shot-blocking center and Blazers clear up a logjam at center. I would rather the influence of RWill on the locker room than Ayton and would be a great backup to Clingan. They also get a borderline all-star in return.

JRoy · Post #2 » by **JRoy** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:43 pm

Since when is Ayton a shot blocker? 4 years ago?

Post #3 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:48 pm

I'm assuming the filler from Portland includes incentive because I can't imagine the Pels do it without. Of course then it makes no sense for Portland to spend an incentive to turn Ayton into Ingram because they are still going to be bad and he's a pending free agent and they have big investments in Grant and Deni at forward already.

Confused by this one for both really.

JHFVF07 · Post #4 » by **JHFVF07** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:50 pm

I dont know why Portland would want pay the max for Ingram, they are far from contention. They need a 3rd team to get Ingram and send value to Portland.

louc1970 · Post #5 » by **louc1970** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:53 pm

JHFVF07 wrote:I dont know why Portland would want pay the max for Ingram, they are far from contention. They need a 3rd team to get Ingram and send value to Portland.

It is a situation where Portland lets Ingram play, and at the deadline move him for picks/youth of a contending team.
Long term it makes little sense unless the part is part of the plan.

KdoubleDees23 · Post #6 » by **KdoubleDees23** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:04 pm

JRoy wrote:Since when is Ayton a shot blocker? 4 years ago?

Ayton is a great defender. Dude can guard ! He is better than any Center the Trailblazers have.

Skybox · Post #7 » by **Skybox** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:11 pm

JRoy wrote:Since when is Ayton a shot blocker? 4 years ago?

Yes. He will block shots and spread the floor for Zion :noway:

babyjax13 · Post #8 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:13 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:
JRoy wrote:Since when is Ayton a shot blocker? 4 years ago?

Ayton is a great defender. Dude can guard ! He is better than any Center the Trailblazers have.

If you are not joking: he legitimately might be their third best center.

babyjax13 · Post #9 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:14 pm

I have every team preferring an expiring contract to Ayton.

JRoy · Post #10 » by **JRoy** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:18 pm

Ayton has a solid set of tools to be a quality defensive player. He has not proven capable of utilizing those tools on a consistent basis.

babyjax13 · Post #11 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:20 pm

JRoy wrote:Ayton has a solid set of tools to be a quality defensive player. He has not proven capable of utilizing those tools on a consistent basis.

I hate that Portland got stuck with him : / one of my favorite non-Jazz small market teams.

JRoy · Post #12 » by **JRoy** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:33 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
JRoy wrote:Ayton has a solid set of tools to be a quality defensive player. He has not proven capable of utilizing those tools on a consistent basis.

I hate that Portland got stuck with him : / one of my favorite non-Jazz small market teams.

I gave him a chance. He has quick feet and a solid mid range shot.

Bbiq, toughness, physicality lacking.

Chuck Everett · Post #13 » by **Chuck Everett** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:49 pm

The second half of the season Ayton played pretty well. You can't lay that terrible Portland season at his feet. They had so many young players and injuries. You guys talk about him like he never was an important piece of a quality team before.

Post #14 » by **BBallFreak** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:03 pm

I don't see Ayton as having that kind of value. I would think Portland would have to massively sweeten the pot as I see Ayton as a net negative.

Astaluego · Post #15 » by **Astaluego** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:03 pm

Change of 3 teams..
Ingram to Warriors

Wiggins to Bucks

Lopez/Payton+FRP(Prot) from Warriors to NOP...

Change of 3 teams..

Ayton to the HAWKS (Ayton showed his best game with CP3... fit well with TraeY)

Capela expire to BLAZERS..

Hunter+SRP to PISTONS

ChettheJet · Post #16 » by **ChettheJet** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:05 pm

Great for NO to get their center

why would PORT need Ingram to add to Grant, Avdija, Murray, Sharpe and Walker none of which are really guards or centers

Post #17 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:17 pm

This needs the Nets as the 3rd team and two other teams to give value for DFS and Cam which can be split between the Pelicans and Blazers. Ingram ends up in in Brooklyn, who can fish or cut bait next summer. Ayton+ goes to N.O. Filler from the other teams+ ends up in Portland.

schaffy · Post #18 » by **schaffy** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:36 pm

louc1970 wrote:
JHFVF07 wrote:I dont know why Portland would want pay the max for Ingram, they are far from contention. They need a 3rd team to get Ingram and send value to Portland.

It is a situation where Portland lets Ingram play, and at the deadline move him for picks/youth of a contending team.
Long term it makes little sense unless the part is part of the plan.

I think if there was a contending team willing to give up picks/youth for Ingram, he'd already have a new mailing address.

JHFVF07 · Post #19 » by **JHFVF07** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:41 pm

schaffy wrote:
louc1970 wrote:
JHFVF07 wrote:I dont know why Portland would want pay the max for Ingram, they are far from contention. They need a 3rd team to get Ingram and send value to Portland.

It is a situation where Portland lets Ingram play, and at the deadline move him for picks/youth of a contending team.
Long term it makes little sense unless the part is part of the plan.

I think if there was a contending team willing to give up picks/youth for Ingram, he'd already have a new mailing address.

Not necessarily as NOP is trying to compete. NOP looks for a better fit, preferably signed for more years, but the only teams trading this kind guys are those wanting to tank, and to those, Ingram has no value. I hardly see Ingram being dealt on a 2 team deal.

Whole Truth · Post #20 » by **Whole Truth** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:55 pm

jbk1234 wrote:This needs the Nets as the 3rd team and two other teams to give value for DFS and Cam which can be split between the Pelicans and Blazers. Ingram ends up in in Brooklyn, who can fish or cut bait next summer. Ayton+ goes to N.O. Filler from the other teams+ ends up in Portland.

I think NO's interest in Kessler & his rookie scale contract is they're entertaining keeping/extending BI.

I just watched the DJM presser & it appears he thinks he's going to be playing with BI.

(Kessler rookie scale) - Theis - Missi
Zion - Collins
BI - Murphy
Herb - Hawkins
Murray - Jose

NO's trade - (CJ, pick/s) for (Kessler, Collins)