UcanUwill wrote:nate33 wrote:Man, AK47 is so overrated on these boards. The guy made one All-Star game and never averaged more than 17 points. He was a somewhat overrated defender because he had high steals/blocks totals while his positional defense was merely good, not great. (He was also the beneficiary of some serious home town cooking from the stat keeper. There is a massive disparity in his blocks and steals rate at home versus away.)
If Cooper Flagg turns out to be the next AK47, it would be a crushing disappointment.
The best comp I can think of in today's game is Banchero - maybe not quite the same scoring mentality (lower usage), but a bit better in offensive and defensive awareness. Maybe a cross between Banchero and Chet.
Disagree on few points. Not sure Kirilenko is underrated, he was awesone. And he surely wasn't great positionary, he was freaking legendary positional defender. I have seen games where Kirilrnkos defense won team the game and ge barely defended ball handler at all. I always come back to 2007 Russia vs Lithuania game, Kirilenkos help defense on pick and rolls was so good, I learned basketball that day, I have never seen guy who chased perimeter defender, impact help defense so much, it was insane.
Kirilenko will end with few nba accolades, because he was injury prone, and he was used wrong. Euros always used him as a big, where he dominated, 2006 NBA however still havent figured out small ball, and played him as a wing small forward, which was just stupid. Imagine Kirilenko today, he would be Draymond Green, but way better...
That said, I agree that Flagg ending as Kirilenko would be a bit disappointing for sure, but AK47 today would be a star, talk about a guy born too early.
Yeah, Kirilenko was much better as a power forward, how he played in Europe, than as a small forward, how he played in the NBA. But he didn't always dominate playing as a power forward in Europe. He got Spanoulised twice at the EuroLeague Final Four.
12footrim wrote:kobe_vs_jordan wrote:12footrim wrote:
His stats were pedestrian in high school.
16.5ppg 7.5rpg 3.8apg 1.6spg 2.7bpg
I don't care if that is a great high school team with a bunch of other top players, one of his teammates averaged exactly the same averages points and rebound averages. The season prior it was the same guys and he averaged 9.8ppg 5.2rpg and was like the 3rd or 4th leading scorer. If you are some generational talent I think you really need to be dominating high schoolers in a way that is tangible on the court. Luka and Wembanyama for example dominated professionals.
I expect him to be the #1 pick and longterm it will probably work out well, but a lot of people are already talking about him as the best player in college basketball or top 5. I think expecting a 6-9, 200lb dude that plays in the post to come into college basketball at the age of 17 and be a top 5 player like I've seen some pick him is ridiculous in the super senior era. Freshmen are struggling more than ever per kenpom.
He not only has that working against him, he doesn't turn 18 until like the last week of December when there will be many 23 and 24 year old 250lb post players in college basketball next year in the last year of the super senior. It's basically like a high school Junior playing in college basketball if you take his age and those in their 5th or 6th years and he will run into Bacot and DJ Burns types.
It’s about points per possession right? but you talking about raw stats here.
We'll we are guessing there, unfortunately, at least his senior year. His junior year we have the minutes which is a good stand in and he was productive per minute. The cool thing is we have his percentages and a good idea of his advanced stats most likely were buy . They were solid, but I would have expected him to have a true shooting for example more like 68 or 70% if he's mostly shooting 2 pointers like he was. It was 63%. That's good, but it's on lower volume and usage where he has plenty of other options to take the pressure off him and still wasn't just absolutely crushing it. Doncic basically had a 60% true shooting in 35 Euroleague games at the same age for comparison.
To be fair, Doncic played on an absolutely stacked EuroLeague team. The same core of the team that he played on won EuroLeague championships both before and after he was on the team. It was pretty much the most talented team in Europe, even without him. So the opposing defenses could never actually put much focus at all on Luka, or any of Real's players.
DaddyCool19 wrote:LakerLegend wrote:BDM22 wrote:USA Basketball already listed Cooper Flagg at 6-8. He's not 6-10. These guys always have slightly juiced height numbers. He's 17 though, may he'll grow into it.
Whoa. Gamechanger.
Don't they get listed w/o shos for the olympics?
6'8 would be ok. He is only 17. Maybe he gets closer to 6'9 which would make him long enough to be a full time 4
Not USA Basketball and Team USA. For many years now, they list their players by in shoes height. With that being said, it's highly unlikely that they actually measured Flagg for a scrimmage game.
