Cooper Flagg

[Ben-N1ce]

The term generational talent is so overused.

[Optms]

If this were 15 years ago, Flagg would be getting Lebron-level hype.

Today a 6’9” dude with athleticism and perimeter skills just doesn’t move the needle. He could easily end up as Frank Wagner. Good player, but not generational.

But he has looked impressive against the absolute best NBA players, albeit just a scrimmage. We need to see how he does at Duke.

Uh hec no.

Lebron was levels above as an athlete and had generational playmaking ability. Flagg isn't on that level.

And lol @ needing to see him at Duke. When he was out there cooking not just NBA players, but the cream of the crop. Oh yeah, we need to see how he does against no name college kids.

[12footrim]

Maybe you are right, but what do you mean leading his team to a championship? I also, probably do not see him as first offensive option on championship tesm, but I see him as best player on championship team. Thats why I compared him to KG, he was exactly that. In think person you describing can be that too.

And obviously, kid can bust and everything, but I think we are being conservative here, because and I mentioned prior, the exciting thing about Flagg is how rapid his game growth is. Defense is already there, by next season, we might even see a top offense. We will see. 2 years his offense was very bad, jump in two years was vomparable to Victor.

The NBA had changed into a much more offensive league now and it was a much different NBA back then. Teams played much bigger, they shot much less threes etc etc. You could get away with a KG at PF. Today Perkins would certainly wouldn't start and KG would be a center like he was a few years later.

KG could do that at 3 inches and 40lbs bigger than Flagg and you can impact defense much more from the center spot. I don't think in 2025+ a 6-8 thin guy really impacts defense that much playing PF. Centers like Gobert are the ones that impact defense enough to make a team a title contender, and he's never going to be a full time center. It's also questionable how much even the best defensive player in the world or one ever like Gobert would even really make you a contender if he's your best or most important player. It's just a very different NBA driven by wings and primary ball handlers or offensive centers who are scoring and assisting a lot, and where three's are almost necessary for anyone but centers.

If you aren't a plus plus three point shooter you better be assisting like a madman or doing other things on offense at a high level IMO. Flagg is just a weird prospect if you think his value is mostly defense and he's just a passable on ball guy, shooter etc. It's going to be really hard to be a generational talent if you project more like an over qualified three and D tweener wing/ PF.

You could get away with a KG at PF.

You still can.

Today Perkins would certainly wouldn't start and KG would be a center like he was a few years later.

Depends on their respective teams. Young Perkins was an effective starting center and would start for a number of teams. Kevon Looney is a starting center. KG could play any positioned required of him. He's the last player that'd be locked into a single position.

...and you can impact defense much more from the center spot.

There are always exceptions to the rule. For instance, Jonathon Isaac, OG Anunoby, Marcus Smart (limited minutes), and Alex Caruso all ranked top six in D-EPM this season. Alex Caruso is fifth all-time in 28-year defensive RAPM data:

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Jason Kidd was one of the best examples of a dominant defender from the guard position. I made a thread about the topic a few months ago:

Jason Kidd, Defense, and Exceptions to the Rule: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2365925

The highest defensive RAPM on record, both for career and single season belongs to Garnett. And what made him special was the qualities that made him unlike other big men: his versatility (switching, perimeter defense, any PnR coverage), off-ball positioning, rotations, and communication/quarterbacking. Sure, he was a great rim protector, post-defender, and defensive rebounder. But it was the listed qualities that made him so special.

Centers like Gobert are the ones that impact defense enough to make a team a title contender, and he's never going to be a full time center.

I disagree. There are always exceptions to the rule. Draymond Green is 2-3 inches shorter than Cooper and is arguably the best defender of his generation. He anchored a historically good defense from the PF position in '22. GSW had a -7.3 rDRtg when Draymond was on the court during the regular season. He's never been a full-time center.

Nearly all of KG's best RAPM defensive seasons are at center late in his career. Hell Nikola Jokic has a season rated higher than most of his PF years on that stat.

As far as some of the other "outliers". They were guards, who no doubt could play the way they did because they mostly had protection behind them. Especially someone like Kidd going for steals. Is Cooper Flagg going to play guard? No he's going to be one of the ones responsible for the backline defense and that's more difficult from the PF than Center position. Issac played 87% of his minutes at Center BTW per basketball reference.

Draymond has a ridicoulous wingpan that is over 7-1 and and he's not 200lbs.

[FrodoBaggins]

The NBA had changed into a much more offensive league now and it was a much different NBA back then. Teams played much bigger, they shot much less threes etc etc. You could get away with a KG at PF. Today Perkins would certainly wouldn't start and KG would be a center like he was a few years later.

KG could do that at 3 inches and 40lbs bigger than Flagg and you can impact defense much more from the center spot. I don't think in 2025+ a 6-8 thin guy really impacts defense that much playing PF. Centers like Gobert are the ones that impact defense enough to make a team a title contender, and he's never going to be a full time center. It's also questionable how much even the best defensive player in the world or one ever like Gobert would even really make you a contender if he's your best or most important player. It's just a very different NBA driven by wings and primary ball handlers or offensive centers who are scoring and assisting a lot, and where three's are almost necessary for anyone but centers.

If you aren't a plus plus three point shooter you better be assisting like a madman or doing other things on offense at a high level IMO. Flagg is just a weird prospect if you think his value is mostly defense and he's just a passable on ball guy, shooter etc. It's going to be really hard to be a generational talent if you project more like an over qualified three and D tweener wing/ PF.

You could get away with a KG at PF.

You still can.

Today Perkins would certainly wouldn't start and KG would be a center like he was a few years later.

Depends on their respective teams. Young Perkins was an effective starting center and would start for a number of teams. Kevon Looney is a starting center. KG could play any positioned required of him. He's the last player that'd be locked into a single position.

...and you can impact defense much more from the center spot.

There are always exceptions to the rule. For instance, Jonathon Isaac, OG Anunoby, Marcus Smart (limited minutes), and Alex Caruso all ranked top six in D-EPM this season. Alex Caruso is fifth all-time in 28-year defensive RAPM data:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Jason Kidd was one of the best examples of a dominant defender from the guard position. I made a thread about the topic a few months ago:

Jason Kidd, Defense, and Exceptions to the Rule: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2365925

The highest defensive RAPM on record, both for career and single season belongs to Garnett. And what made him special was the qualities that made him unlike other big men: his versatility (switching, perimeter defense, any PnR coverage), off-ball positioning, rotations, and communication/quarterbacking. Sure, he was a great rim protector, post-defender, and defensive rebounder. But it was the listed qualities that made him so special.

Centers like Gobert are the ones that impact defense enough to make a team a title contender, and he's never going to be a full time center.

I disagree. There are always exceptions to the rule. Draymond Green is 2-3 inches shorter than Cooper and is arguably the best defender of his generation. He anchored a historically good defense from the PF position in '22. GSW had a -7.3 rDRtg when Draymond was on the court during the regular season. He's never been a full-time center.

Nearly all of KG's best RAPM defensive seasons are at center late in his career. Hell Nikola Jokic has a season rated higher than most of his PF years on that stat.

As far as some of the other "outliers". They were guards, who no doubt could play the way they did because they mostly had protection behind them. Especially someone like Kidd going for steals. Is Cooper Flagg going to play guard? No he's going to be one of the ones responsible for the backline defense and that's more difficult from the PF than Center position. Issac played 87% of his minutes at Center BTW per basketball reference.

Draymond has a ridicoulous wingpan that is over 7-1 and and he's not 200lbs.

The lesson you need to take here is to not deal in absolutes.

[Hornet Mania]

He looks great and worth the hype but let’s be real it’s a scrimmage.

Flag is going 120% and the greats are going 70-80%.

It’s like pro fighters sparring.

I had the same thought. Still very impressive, but these vets aren't busting their ass in practice.

This Olympic team is also full of old (Lebron, Steph, Jrue, Durant) and oft-injured (Embiid, Davis, Kawhi until yesterday) players. They have to pace themselves to ensure they'll actually be available for Paris.

It's great experience for Flagg and having him and the other Select prospects pushes the old guys a bit but it's never going to be the same intensity as a contest that matters.

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You want a high school stats comparison. Zion averaged 34.6ppg, 11.4rpg, 3.5apg, 3.4spg, 2.3bpg in 23.4 MINUTES per game He shot 85% from the floor. I don't care who you are playing that's insane, and yet the recruiting scouts had him rated like 6th out of high school. Nothing Flagg is doing really is. You'd expect more I think infact for the level of hype he's getting.

This is an apples to oranges comparison. Luke Kennard averaged almost 40ppg while grabbing 10 boards and 6 assists in high school. Who youre playing against and who youre playing with are 2 huge factors in high school stats. Dont get me wrong Zion was a beast in high school, but he was also playing against very low level talent.

You want to know what stats Flagg puts up when he isnt being a team first player and he had to average big numbers? Flagg averaged 25/13/6 with 7 blocks per game in Peach Jam last year. 3rd in scoring, 2nd in rebounding, 2nd in assists and 2nd in blocks.

Go look at Zion's high school tape and then look at Flagg's. In Zion you will see him going up against tiny non college level players. Flagg at Montverde, saw the toughest competition possible for high school ball.

Dude you score 34ppg on 85% FG's, it's almost freaking impossible in 23 minutes a game regardless of who you are playing. Get real. That's insane. You are on a 52ppg pace if you play 35 minutes a game. That kind of production was just as precursor to what he did at Duke as a freshman which is also insane. You know what is not insane, just being a 16ppg 7rpg dude on any team playing high schoolers.

Do you honestly think Zion put in the same situation as Flagg on his high school team would have averaged 16ppg 7rpg, 2.8bpg? Do you think Anthony Davis averaging 33, 22 and 7 with his all time freshman PER, BPM, etc season following would have? Ace Baily's team was 12th in the nation and played a tough schedule too and look at how he dominated. I'm more intrigued by him, and I expect neither of them to dominate in the super senior era with 23 and 24 year olds sticking around for NIL. Flagg hasn't even shown he can really dominate high school ball or be "the man" on a structured team. He's just a cog on it.

I'm well aware of the AAU stats. Flagg was playing kids in the JV division was he not? The younger division I'm pretty sure vs 15 or 16 year olds. He's also from Maine, so they aren't loaded and those numbers still are pretty meh outside the blocks when you consider how much they needed him. It's AAU, what is really the level of coaching and structure too. No one doubts he plays older than his age for years now, or could dominate the younger players his actual age that were 16 or whatever. He's not playing 16 year olds next year.

Didn’t he average 20/10/6 as a freshman in Maine before transferring to Florida?

[12footrim]

This is an apples to oranges comparison. Luke Kennard averaged almost 40ppg while grabbing 10 boards and 6 assists in high school. Who youre playing against and who youre playing with are 2 huge factors in high school stats. Dont get me wrong Zion was a beast in high school, but he was also playing against very low level talent.

You want to know what stats Flagg puts up when he isnt being a team first player and he had to average big numbers? Flagg averaged 25/13/6 with 7 blocks per game in Peach Jam last year. 3rd in scoring, 2nd in rebounding, 2nd in assists and 2nd in blocks.

Go look at Zion's high school tape and then look at Flagg's. In Zion you will see him going up against tiny non college level players. Flagg at Montverde, saw the toughest competition possible for high school ball.

Dude you score 34ppg on 85% FG's, it's almost freaking impossible in 23 minutes a game regardless of who you are playing. Get real. That's insane. You are on a 52ppg pace if you play 35 minutes a game. That kind of production was just as precursor to what he did at Duke as a freshman which is also insane. You know what is not insane, just being a 16ppg 7rpg dude on any team playing high schoolers.

Do you honestly think Zion put in the same situation as Flagg on his high school team would have averaged 16ppg 7rpg, 2.8bpg? Do you think Anthony Davis averaging 33, 22 and 7 with his all time freshman PER, BPM, etc season following would have? Ace Baily's team was 12th in the nation and played a tough schedule too and look at how he dominated. I'm more intrigued by him, and I expect neither of them to dominate in the super senior era with 23 and 24 year olds sticking around for NIL. Flagg hasn't even shown he can really dominate high school ball or be "the man" on a structured team. He's just a cog on it.

I'm well aware of the AAU stats. Flagg was playing kids in the JV division was he not? The younger division I'm pretty sure vs 15 or 16 year olds. He's also from Maine, so they aren't loaded and those numbers still are pretty meh outside the blocks when you consider how much they needed him. It's AAU, what is really the level of coaching and structure too. No one doubts he plays older than his age for years now, or could dominate the younger players his actual age that were 16 or whatever. He's not playing 16 year olds next year.

Didn’t he average 20/10/6 as a freshman in Maine before transferring to Florida?

Maybe, but it's Maine. A state of 1.3 million people that's one of the worst basketball states in the nation. FAR worse than even a state like SC with 6 million. There are a lot more "athletes" there too that go play football in the SEC and far more BB players too. Even the ones not playing basketball you will get a lot of athletic big high school football stars playing. If you are playing in a state like Maine vs that competition I'd be more worried if you weren't completely dominating it even as a freshman.

These things have far more predictive value IMO than people admit if you know what to look for. Take Tristen Newton for example. He had like 4 D1 offers and they all sucked, and even the ECU coach wanted to redshirt him as a freshmen until some injuries. He averaged insane high school stats out in West Texas and had tons of video on hudle and no scouting or coaches cared.

Newton averaged 38ppg 9rpg, 5apg shot 70% on twos 88% from the line etc for a team that was top 5 in Texas 5A, went to the final 4 one year etc, did it 3 years in high school he dominated. People said the competition sucked. If he was a 5-11 dude, ok maybe it doesn't check out completely but he was a 6-5 PG throwing down dunks and shooting 89% from the FT line. If you are good I think it shows in the stats more than peoples opinions who are frankly stupid a lot of the time. The stats see all the games and judge them objectively. I predicted Newton's success coming out of high school too BTW.

Kase Wynott is my underrated prediction this year. I look for the undervalued guys like that and track their careers.

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Dude you score 34ppg on 85% FG's, it's almost freaking impossible in 23 minutes a game regardless of who you are playing. Get real. That's insane. You are on a 52ppg pace if you play 35 minutes a game. That kind of production was just as precursor to what he did at Duke as a freshman which is also insane. You know what is not insane, just being a 16ppg 7rpg dude on any team playing high schoolers.

Do you honestly think Zion put in the same situation as Flagg on his high school team would have averaged 16ppg 7rpg, 2.8bpg? Do you think Anthony Davis averaging 33, 22 and 7 with his all time freshman PER, BPM, etc season following would have? Ace Baily's team was 12th in the nation and played a tough schedule too and look at how he dominated. I'm more intrigued by him, and I expect neither of them to dominate in the super senior era with 23 and 24 year olds sticking around for NIL. Flagg hasn't even shown he can really dominate high school ball or be "the man" on a structured team. He's just a cog on it.

I'm well aware of the AAU stats. Flagg was playing kids in the JV division was he not? The younger division I'm pretty sure vs 15 or 16 year olds. He's also from Maine, so they aren't loaded and those numbers still are pretty meh outside the blocks when you consider how much they needed him. It's AAU, what is really the level of coaching and structure too. No one doubts he plays older than his age for years now, or could dominate the younger players his actual age that were 16 or whatever. He's not playing 16 year olds next year.

Didn’t he average 20/10/6 as a freshman in Maine before transferring to Florida?

Maybe, but it's Maine. A state of 1.3 million people that's one of the worst basketball states in the nation. FAR worse than even a state like SC with 6 million. There are a lot more "athletes" there too that go play football in the SEC and far more BB players too. Even the ones not playing basketball you will get a lot of athletic big high school football stars playing. If you are playing in a state like Maine vs that competition I'd be more worried if you weren't completely dominating it even as a freshman.

These things have far more predictive value IMO than people admit if you know what to look for. Take Tristen Newton for example. He had like 4 D1 offers and they all sucked, and even the ECU coach wanted to redshirt him as a freshmen until some injuries. He averaged insane high school stats out in West Texas and had tons of video on hudle and no scouting or coaches cared.

He averaged 38ppg 9rpg, 5apg shot 70% on twos 88% from the line etc for a team that was top 5 in Texas 5A, went to the final 4 one year etc, did it 3 years in high school he dominated. People said the competition sucked. If he was a 5-11 dude, ok maybe it doesn't check out completely but he was a 6-5 PG throwing down dunks and shooting 89% from the FT line. If you are good I think it shows in the stats more than peoples opinions who are frankly stupid a lot of the time. The stats see all the games and judge them objectively. I predicted Newton's success coming out of high school too BTW.

Kase Wynott is my underrated prediction this year. I look for the undervalued guys like that and track their careers.

Ok so what’s your position on him then? That he’s been overrated by every scout and projection metric? Everyone except people on message boards and social media seems to be pretty clearly sold on him as the #1 guy.

[12footrim]

Didn’t he average 20/10/6 as a freshman in Maine before transferring to Florida?

Maybe, but it's Maine. A state of 1.3 million people that's one of the worst basketball states in the nation. FAR worse than even a state like SC with 6 million. There are a lot more "athletes" there too that go play football in the SEC and far more BB players too. Even the ones not playing basketball you will get a lot of athletic big high school football stars playing. If you are playing in a state like Maine vs that competition I'd be more worried if you weren't completely dominating it even as a freshman.

These things have far more predictive value IMO than people admit if you know what to look for. Take Tristen Newton for example. He had like 4 D1 offers and they all sucked, and even the ECU coach wanted to redshirt him as a freshmen until some injuries. He averaged insane high school stats out in West Texas and had tons of video on hudle and no scouting or coaches cared.

He averaged 38ppg 9rpg, 5apg shot 70% on twos 88% from the line etc for a team that was top 5 in Texas 5A, went to the final 4 one year etc, did it 3 years in high school he dominated. People said the competition sucked. If he was a 5-11 dude, ok maybe it doesn't check out completely but he was a 6-5 PG throwing down dunks and shooting 89% from the FT line. If you are good I think it shows in the stats more than peoples opinions who are frankly stupid a lot of the time. The stats see all the games and judge them objectively. I predicted Newton's success coming out of high school too BTW.

Kase Wynott is my underrated prediction this year. I look for the undervalued guys like that and track their careers.

Ok so what’s your position on him then? That he’s been overrated by every scout and projection metric? Everyone except people on message boards and social media seems to be pretty clearly sold on him as the #1 guy.

I think Flagg will be the #1 pick, and probably will have a nice NBA career eventually. That's not what I'm really talking about. He can gain weight and you are projecting out years when looking at a draft and he has lots of years to improve and grow physically for someone that his age.

It's the people that project him to dominate college basketball starting in 4 months that I just completely disagree with. I watched a 10 minute phone recording of the scrimmage on the select team BTW. It changed nothing about my opinion. He hustles, and has a motor but I didnt' see amazing skill or size etc.

Maybe it will happen and he walks into college putting up Edey numbers, and make me look stupid but I think he underachieves the general top 5 or 10 player in college expectations I'm hearing. Hell I could see the 7 footer from Africa in his freshman class having a similar impact at Duke as Flagg. He put up some pretty great numbers vs pro players. I looked up that league and there were former 30 year old college stars like Randy Culpepper on his team. Some real players and he still put up numbers. He' s also 250lbs and more ready to compete IMO.

As far as Edey I had him as my #1 pick in this draft and projected him as the rookie of the year before it happened. Now he's the betting favorite. I had him the #1 player in college basketball before his Jr year and in the 1st round when no one else even had him as being drafted and he wasn't even playing 20 minutes a game.

Just look at Edey's combine speeds. He was running agility drills faster than Derrek Rose and sprinting and vertical more than Durant and people were still calling him slow before the draft. People are now coming around some it seems. Sometimes you just got to believe the data and production per possession. It's pretty tangible and objective. The eye test has a lot of bias and gets a lot wrong and Flagg is more eye test at this point.

[Hair Jordan]

Cooper Flagg is already better than Magic, Bird and 95% of the players from the 80’s. If he played back then he’d be a top 3 player of all time right now, maybe even the GOAT. If you transported him back into the 80’s NBA they’d look at him like Neanderthals looking at a UFO landing outside of their cave. It would blow their minds. He’s not just a generational talent, he’s a once in a millennium type of talent, maybe even a once in a big bang type talent. Something that happens once every 14 billion or so years. I don’t think I’m being hyperbolic in my praise either. He’s THAT good!

[Duffman100]

Cooper Flagg is already better than Magic, Bird and 95% of the players from the 80’s. If he played back then he’d be a top 3 player of all time right now, maybe even the GOAT. If you transported him back into the 80’s NBA they’d look at him like Neanderthals looking at a UFO landing outside of their cave. It would blow their minds. He’s not just a generational talent, he’s a once in a millennium type of talent, maybe even a once in a big bang type talent. Something that happens once every 14 billion or so years. I don’t think I’m being hyperbolic in my praise either. He’s THAT good!

Nobody paid attention to your first troll attempt, you needed to try again?

[Hair Jordan]

Cooper Flagg is already better than Magic, Bird and 95% of the players from the 80’s. If he played back then he’d be a top 3 player of all time right now, maybe even the GOAT. If you transported him back into the 80’s NBA they’d look at him like Neanderthals looking at a UFO landing outside of their cave. It would blow their minds. He’s not just a generational talent, he’s a once in a millennium type of talent, maybe even a once in a big bang type talent. Something that happens once every 14 billion or so years. I don’t think I’m being hyperbolic in my praise either. He’s THAT good!

Nobody paid attention to your first troll attempt, you needed to try again?

C’mon, admit it. It was a little bit funny. I’m just passing time at work and trying to make people laugh. RealGM is fun as long as people don’t take themselves too seriously.
Cooper is a nice looking college prospect but people need to slow their roll a little. Let’s see what the kid can do before we anoint him as the next big thing. Look at Zion; he was a can’t miss guy that everyone was drooling over. His career has been a major disappointment.

[KembaWalker]

Cooper Flagg is already better than Magic, Bird and 95% of the players from the 80’s. If he played back then he’d be a top 3 player of all time right now, maybe even the GOAT. If you transported him back into the 80’s NBA they’d look at him like Neanderthals looking at a UFO landing outside of their cave. It would blow their minds. He’s not just a generational talent, he’s a once in a millennium type of talent, maybe even a once in a big bang type talent. Something that happens once every 14 billion or so years. I don’t think I’m being hyperbolic in my praise either. He’s THAT good!

Nobody paid attention to your first troll attempt, you needed to try again?

I thought it was a one_and_done post at first tbh except needed more musket references

[LockoutSeason]

If this were 15 years ago, Flagg would be getting Lebron-level hype.

Today a 6’9” dude with athleticism and perimeter skills just doesn’t move the needle. He could easily end up as Frank Wagner. Good player, but not generational.

But he has looked impressive against the absolute best NBA players, albeit just a scrimmage. We need to see how he does at Duke.

Uh hec no.

Lebron was levels above as an athlete and had generational playmaking ability. Flagg isn't on that level.

And lol @ needing to see him at Duke. When he was out there cooking not just NBA players, but the cream of the crop. Oh yeah, we need to see how he does against no name college kids.

It was a scrimmage.

[WESCO]

He looks great and worth the hype but let’s be real it’s a scrimmage.

Flag is going 120% and the greats are going 70-80%.

It’s like pro fighters sparring.

You think the pros want to be clowned on by a 17 year old?

You think a 17year old will clown one of the top 1% of pro hoopers in the world?

[FrodoBaggins]

Sam Vecenie's initial 2025 mock draft has Cooper at #1. Here's what he had to say about him:

[turnaroundJ]

i don't think he has wing quickness. he has PF length but not enough to make up for girth. has there ever been a tweener forward superstar?

he definitely has the name going for him at least. "cooper flagg" has a nice ring to it.

[FrodoBaggins]

i don't think he has wing quickness. he has PF length but not enough to make up for girth. has there ever been a tweener forward superstar?

he definitely has the name going for him at least. "cooper flagg" has a nice ring to it.

I don't think he has wing quickness.

His quickness is more than adequate. His incredible processing speed makes him first to the spot time and time again. I wouldn't put too much stock into "wing quickness." Reminds me of what was said of Jayson Tatum; turned out to be a non-issue. Just because he might be more optimal and a potentially bigger mismatch at PF doesn't mean he's not suitable at SF.

he has PF length

Correct.

...but not enough to make up for girth

Not really sure what you mean here. Seeing as how I disagree with your first point about lacking wing quickness I don't see his weight as an issue at all. He's 17.5 years old and is around 200-205 pounds. Tatum was drafted at 19.5 years old and weighed 204 pounds. He's 225-230 now.

Cooper has a wide torso with broad shoulders and well-formed, long limbs. His frame suggests he can put on size without compromising athleticism. Anthony Davis is a good comparison here. He was drafted weighing 222 pounds at 6'9.25" barefoot height. Dropped down to 212 pounds at the end of his rookie season. Two years later he was 253 pounds.

Garnett also came into the league at 220 pounds. He was 250 pounds by his 2003-04 MVP season. Even KD went from 213 pounds when drafted to 242 pounds circa 2014-2015.

My prediction? Cooper is drafted at 205-215 pounds and adds roughly 20-30 pounds and ends up around 230-240 pounds. More than enough for the modern PF position.

has there ever been a tweener forward superstar?

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Please elaborate. LeBron? Tatum? Bird? Durant? Barkley?

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