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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#181 » by Knick4Real » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:48 am

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Knick4Real wrote:I don't support any form of shooting or violence. However, I must say that this is not a surprise.

The political temperature has been rising for several years now. It's more of an "us vs them" environment today than simple politics. Certain "politicians" have revved up the mood and played politics like it's a game. The talk has been heated and instigating. I'm surprised more violence hasn't happened -- but, this pretty much confirms more violence is on the way.


Absolutely. It’s actually mind numbing that people are upset that he was killed. It’s insane. As far as surprised? Not at all. I’ve been saying that the Democrats last ditch effort is to try and assassinate Trump. Prior to the liberals attempts to gaslight America with Bidens mental state blew up in their face they had hope that they could still pull this out (between left controlled media spin and various forms of voter fraud). But now where even CNN and MSNBC are turning on Biden and the democrats realize that they are in a bind (they cannot force Biden out) their last option to avoid Trump being elected is to assassinate him. It’s logical.


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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#182 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:48 am

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How on earth does already being a Trump supporter slobbering over a shooter generate more votes for Trump?

This is not what generates sympathy for Trump among swing voters. They're not buying tickets to a Chris Rock show, they're voting in an election. Celebrity getting Trump this far doesn't suddenly morph into empathy because of a shooter. Trump is the nastiest POS in the world and that's why his supporters love him. He doesn't suddenly become a person worthy of empathy because of a bloody ear. And only suckers think getting shot at means he's somehow fighting the powers that be. That deep state crap is for the dummies.

Not deep state, just human reactions. There are people who are going to see Biden as frail and weak and Trump as strong "just survived a bullet" and some people will think that matters.

Also there are still people who knock on doors, make cold calls, and do things at a local level. The more of his activists participate, the more people who will make a human to human contact with an undecided voter.


The Trump campaign has no field offices or funds allocated to those operations. All of the money has been funneled back to Trump to pay his bills. The democrats have a network the GOP presently does not. Many of the GOP's state operations are completely broke.


Are there community events? like non-political ones?
These are chances for trump people to rub elbows with the small population who is unconvinced on this election. This is a big time chance to bring these people into the fold and get them to engage the same way the far right folks do. In short, this is an entry opportunity into "the rabbit hole"

The news cycle has been all about Biden. "Is he too old" "too weak" "will he survive the next four years"
to counter that, now the right has "Trump survives gunshot to the head"
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#183 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:49 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:I dunno why people are saying that this guarantees him the election, I'm not voting for a rapist/convicted felon/pedophile/epstein pal just because he got shot for talking crazy. I doubt I'm alone. Do no harm is my outlook, and being someone who was a victim of gun violence, I don't condone someone shooting the prick, but people reap what they sow. This is exactly the environment that Republicans and their base have been pushing for with their extremist talk and derailment of every sensible piece of gun legislation since GW let the Assault weapons ban expire. Good job yall.

You talk crazy, calling for Latinos to be deported, nationwide abortion bans, stripping civil rights protection and all that other fascist Project 2025 sh*t and guess what? You open up the door for extremists, regardless of political affiliation to come out the woodwork. This isn't new. We aren't far removed from when political killings were happening in this country

I don't feel sorry for him, this is what happens when you embrace extremism and stoke hatred. You had some dude from the Heritage Foundation making a speech about a bloodless coup like last week. Jan. 6th. What did anyone think was going to happen? There are guns and mentally ill people everywhere in this country.
You think Republicans would've learned when Steve Scalise got gunned down by some nutter with an SKS...this is a two way street.

I love this country but this isn't sustainable.


England just reversed 15 years of Toryism and France shocked everyone after Macron's ill-advised snap elections when the center and the left united to turn back the LePen faction.

You're correct. It is not sustainable, which is why we've got to grit it out for this election. I don't know how a 20 year old American can see what is happening and not be scared to death for their futures. And the GOP is not working to leave behind a world for them. There are right wing kids, but less, so my hope is we can survive this like the UK did and turn the corner.

And as far as the shooting today goes, it will turn off as many people towards guns as it will embolden the nutters. It's just another instance of guns turning our social spaces into fear zones and many people are fed up over that. Thanks to Scotus for returning bump stocks to the mix so we can have more Vegas style massacres.


Yeah this is not good for multiple reasons.

I'll be interested to see the mental gymnastics being used this week by Republicans when a Democrat in Congress calls for strict gun control measures.

Stay frosty everyone.


This is the period before a national election when predictions get brushed off and the real metrics start to show up the closer you get to the election.

While WAPO, the NY Times and TV networks soiled themselves trying to get Biden to step down, he showed up in public every day while Trump disappeared until this weekend. All of the predictions that Trump would now crush Biden dissipated as new polls keep adding points to Biden who is now polling back in the lead.

So, yes, stay frosty, because when you threaten to tear apart Latino families with millions of deportations because their father did a border crossing 30 years ago and then assimilated and became a taxpayer and raised American born kids, you'll lose those people who would have otherwise voted Republican because they're Catholics swayed by illusions of religious values.

There's plenty of examples like this crossing many issues of millions of people who know they will be directly hurt by a Trump presidency. Many of them will zip their lips about their true intentions since they will be in communities with mixed politics and vote against him.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#184 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:49 am

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Where is that proof? If you guys actually bother watching the entire video instead of just listening to what the media tells you you would see it. He actually told the people (it’s on video) to protest peacefully. But the media cut that part out when they broadcast it. You guys are such a bunch of tools, honestly.


Trump has literally been federally indicted for planning and attempting an insurrection in an attempted coup against the United States.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indictments-details-guide-charges-trial-dates-people-case/

Trump is accused of participating in a scheme to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power after he lost the 2020 election to now-President Joe Biden. The indictment accuses Trump and six unindicted, unnamed co-conspirators of knowingly spreading lies that there was widespread "fraud in the election and that he had actually won," ultimately leading to the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol. Trump denies wrongdoing.


This is what you support?


As compared to what Biden and the Democrats have been doing? Yeah I d rather Trump. Biden has been running this country into the ground. What is it that you’re missing? You want to be in a country that’s being run into the ground?

Didn't seem that great under Trump either.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#185 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:50 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:I dunno why people are saying that this guarantees him the election, I'm not voting for a rapist/convicted felon/pedophile/epstein pal just because he got shot for talking crazy. I doubt I'm alone. Do no harm is my outlook, and being someone who was a victim of gun violence, I don't condone someone shooting the prick, but people reap what they sow. This is exactly the environment that Republicans and their base have been pushing for with their extremist talk and derailment of every sensible piece of gun legislation since GW let the Assault weapons ban expire. Good job yall.

You talk crazy, calling for Latinos to be deported, nationwide abortion bans, stripping civil rights protection and all that other fascist Project 2025 sh*t and guess what? You open up the door for extremists, regardless of political affiliation to come out the woodwork. This isn't new. We aren't far removed from when political killings were happening in this country

I don't feel sorry for him, this is what happens when you embrace extremism and stoke hatred. You had some dude from the Heritage Foundation making a speech about a bloodless coup like last week. Jan. 6th. What did anyone think was going to happen? There are guns and mentally ill people everywhere in this country.
You think Republicans would've learned when Steve Scalise got gunned down by some nutter with an SKS...this is a two way street.

I love this country but this isn't sustainable.


He was heavily favored already, not by anything he said but by Biden's failings, which I do not know how the Democrats did not see coming. That being said, there are still Republicans who would have sat on their asses instead of bothering to vote, I think we are at about 60-70% overall turnout. I believe a significant % of those people will get out to vote, and this will also be galvanizing for the republicans in terms of the independent voters and who they will support.

Next is for the Dems to desperately try and label this as a setup, they will fail.

You are correct, this is not sustainable. My hope is for Trumps victory to lead to change within the Democratic party, let them get a real candidate to the stage.


I'm glad that today is the day that you finally felt comfortable to admit that you're a Republican/MAGA. The centrist act was kind of strange tbh.

Can you detail Biden's failings? I'm interested to see what you don't like about him as compared to Donald Trump, a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, insurrectionist, and Epstein pal?

Do you support rounding up Latinos regardless of legal status, and the elimination of birthright citizenship?
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#186 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:50 am

Glad to see the political violence I've been predicting ramp up. This is only the beginning. Don't worry twisted panty people. It'll be both sides.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#187 » by Fury » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:50 am

Knick4Real wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:I don't support any form of shooting or violence. However, I must say that this is not a surprise.

The political temperature has been rising for several years now. It's more of an "us vs them" environment today than simple politics. Certain "politicians" have revved up the mood and played politics like it's a game. The talk has been heated and instigating. I'm surprised more violence hasn't happened -- but, this pretty much confirms more violence is on the way.


Absolutely. It’s actually mind numbing that people are upset that he was killed. It’s insane. As far as surprised? Not at all. I’ve been saying that the Democrats last ditch effort is to try and assassinate Trump. Prior to the liberals attempts to gaslight America with Bidens mental state blew up in their face they had hope that they could still pull this out (between left controlled media spin and various forms of voter fraud). But now where even CNN and MSNBC are turning on Biden and the democrats realize that they are in a bind (they cannot force Biden out) their last option to avoid Trump being elected is to assassinate him. It’s logical.


HUH???


He’s far gone. Speaks like it.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#188 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:51 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:I dunno why people are saying that this guarantees him the election, I'm not voting for a rapist/convicted felon/pedophile/epstein pal just because he got shot for talking crazy. I doubt I'm alone. Do no harm is my outlook, and being someone who was a victim of gun violence, I don't condone someone shooting the prick, but people reap what they sow. This is exactly the environment that Republicans and their base have been pushing for with their extremist talk and derailment of every sensible piece of gun legislation since GW let the Assault weapons ban expire. Good job yall.

You talk crazy, calling for Latinos to be deported, nationwide abortion bans, stripping civil rights protection and all that other fascist Project 2025 sh*t and guess what? You open up the door for extremists, regardless of political affiliation to come out the woodwork. This isn't new. We aren't far removed from when political killings were happening in this country

I don't feel sorry for him, this is what happens when you embrace extremism and stoke hatred. You had some dude from the Heritage Foundation making a speech about a bloodless coup like last week. Jan. 6th. What did anyone think was going to happen? There are guns and mentally ill people everywhere in this country.
You think Republicans would've learned when Steve Scalise got gunned down by some nutter with an SKS...this is a two way street.

I love this country but this isn't sustainable.


He was heavily favored already, not by anything he said but by Biden's failings, which I do not know how the Democrats did not see coming. That being said, there are still Republicans who would have sat on their asses instead of bothering to vote, I think we are at about 60-70% overall turnout. I believe a significant % of those people will get out to vote, and this will also be galvanizing for the republicans in terms of the independent voters and who they will support.

Next is for the Dems to desperately try and label this as a setup, they will fail.

You are correct, this is not sustainable. My hope is for Trumps victory to lead to change within the Democratic party, let them get a real candidate to the stage.


There is only one neutral way for dems to play this: Offer empathy and talk gun control.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#189 » by moocow007 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:52 am

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moocow007 wrote:
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Trump has literally been federally indicted for planning and attempting an insurrection in an attempted coup against the United States.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indictments-details-guide-charges-trial-dates-people-case/



This is what you support?


As compared to what Biden and the Democrats have been doing? Yeah I d rather Trump. Biden has been running this country into the ground. What is it that you’re missing? You want to be in a country that’s being run into the ground?

Didn't seem that great under Trump either.


No inflation. Border was under control. No global conflicts. Seems much better than now.
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Post#190 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:53 am

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As compared to what Biden and the Democrats have been doing? Yeah I d rather Trump. Biden has been running this country into the ground. What is it that you’re missing? You want to be in a country that’s being run into the ground?

Didn't seem that great under Trump either.


No inflation. Border was under control. No global conflicts. Seems much better than now.

Yeah, ok.
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Post#191 » by moocow007 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:53 am

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Absolutely. It’s actually mind numbing that people are upset that he was killed. It’s insane. As far as surprised? Not at all. I’ve been saying that the Democrats last ditch effort is to try and assassinate Trump. Prior to the liberals attempts to gaslight America with Bidens mental state blew up in their face they had hope that they could still pull this out (between left controlled media spin and various forms of voter fraud). But now where even CNN and MSNBC are turning on Biden and the democrats realize that they are in a bind (they cannot force Biden out) their last option to avoid Trump being elected is to assassinate him. It’s logical.


HUH???


He’s far gone. Speaks like it.


How about rather insulting people like a typical liberal, talk facts.
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Post#192 » by Loaded_Hollows » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:53 am

Knick4Real wrote:I don't support any form of shooting or violence. However, I must say that this is not a surprise.

The political temperature has been rising for several years now. It's more of an "us vs them" environment today than simple politics. Certain "politicians" have revved up the mood and played politics like it's a game. The talk has been heated and instigating. I'm surprised more violence hasn't happened -- but, this pretty much confirms more violence is on the way.

It is pretty ironic that Trump is a victim of the climate he helped to create
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Post#193 » by moocow007 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:54 am

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thebuzzardman wrote:Didn't seem that great under Trump either.


No inflation. Border was under control. No global conflicts. Seems much better than now.

Yeah, ok.


What inflation was there? What border crisis was there? What global conflicts were there?
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Post#194 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:54 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:Trade Mitch now
Read on Twitter


Mitch is a genuine good dude. The morally correct thing to do is to have empathy for everyone at that klan meeting, political rally.

It's not political to support someone not being murdered.

I just don't happen to be as good of a person as Mitch.


I have zero empathy for Trump, but there is nothing good that comes out of this. Violence begets violence. This has been brewing and now it has come to a head
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#195 » by Knick4Real » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:54 am

MrDollarBills wrote:I dunno why people are saying that this guarantees him the election, I'm not voting for a rapist/convicted felon/pedophile/epstein pal just because he got shot for talking crazy. I doubt I'm alone. Do no harm is my outlook, and being someone who was a victim of gun violence, I don't condone someone shooting the prick, but people reap what they sow. This is exactly the environment that Republicans and their base have been pushing for with their extremist talk and derailment of every sensible piece of gun legislation since GW let the Assault weapons ban expire. Good job yall.

You talk crazy, calling for Latinos to be deported, nationwide abortion bans, stripping civil rights protection and all that other fascist Project 2025 sh*t and guess what? You open up the door for extremists, regardless of political affiliation to come out the woodwork. This isn't new. We aren't far removed from when political killings were happening in this country

I don't feel sorry for him, this is what happens when you embrace extremism and stoke hatred. You had some dude from the Heritage Foundation making a speech about a bloodless coup like last week. Jan. 6th. What did anyone think was going to happen? There are guns and mentally ill people everywhere in this country.
You think Republicans would've learned when Steve Scalise got gunned down by some nutter with an SKS...this is a two way street.

I love this country but this isn't sustainable.


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Post#196 » by moocow007 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:55 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Trade Mitch now
Read on Twitter


Mitch is a genuine good dude. The morally correct thing to do is to have empathy for everyone at that klan meeting, political rally.

It's not political to support someone not being murdered.

I just don't happen to be as good of a person as Mitch.


I have zero empathy for Trump, but there is nothing good that comes out of this. Violence begets violence. This has been brewing and now it has come to a head


Absolutely. Regardless of what you feel about Trump. Advocating him being assassinated is just nuts.
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Post#197 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:56 am

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No inflation. Border was under control. No global conflicts. Seems much better than now.

Yeah, ok.


What inflation was there? What border crisis was there? What global conflicts were there?

Border situation was much the same. There were wars simmering everywhere. Like there always is. There has been inflation since 2008
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Post#198 » by Rich Rane » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:56 am

moocow007 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
No inflation. Border was under control. No global conflicts. Seems much better than now.

Yeah, ok.


What inflation was there? What border crisis was there? What global conflicts were there?


What was Trump complaining about his entire term then? Seems like America was already great and he didn't have to make it great again.
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Post#199 » by Fury » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:56 am

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HUH???


He’s far gone. Speaks like it.


How about rather insulting people like a typical liberal, talk facts.


I asked you 3 times to explain why Trump and conservatives defend the insurrectionists and I got crickets. Wanna try again?
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Post#200 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:57 am

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As compared to what Biden and the Democrats have been doing? Yeah I d rather Trump. Biden has been running this country into the ground. What is it that you’re missing? You want to be in a country that’s being run into the ground?

Didn't seem that great under Trump either.


No inflation. Border was under control. No global conflicts. Seems much better than now.


I prefer my life without an active Covid virus mowing down families, but perhaps that's just me....

Inflation was an obvious response to the cash handouts that were of course needed during shut downs. The influx of cash did create the inflation, but also saved lives. The over-correction from trumps mismanagement of the pandemic has been problematic, but USA has done better than it's contemporaries and Biden, with a Senate and court working against him, is not able to take the actions to curtail those problems empowering people like you to spout these things out.

Can't go around setting fires and complain about all the fires in town under the mayors watch.
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