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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#281 » by Sealab2024 » Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:58 am

Neeva wrote:
Sealab2024 wrote:I want Nix on this (Wolves) team. Dude just always does something good and never seems to force it, plus he has that common man build.


He just seems so slow, he’s like our new slowmo, slownix?


Probably best to just turn it into a verb. "Nixing" his way around the court.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#282 » by A1FromDay1 » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:11 am

Neeva wrote:
Sealab2024 wrote:I want Nix on this (Wolves) team. Dude just always does something good and never seems to force it, plus he has that common man build.


He just seems so slow, he’s like our new slowmo, slownix?


I thought we already had our new SloMo in Slow-Mo Joe? That's one of his actual nicknames, right?
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#283 » by winforlose » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:23 am

Sealab2024 wrote:I want Nix on this (Wolves) team. Dude just always does something good and never seems to force it, plus he has that common man build.


He is like Garza last year. Nix is good enough to play with the amateurs and G league guys, but not good enough for the big league. Also his 3 point shooting is a problem. To his credit he is 2/5 in summer league so far, but he is a long way from enough of a sample size to say his shooting has improved.
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Post#284 » by winforlose » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:25 am

Saltine wrote:TJ shot 50% on corner threes, not a "non shooter".


I was talking about so far in the Summer League. Maybe he has a killer corner shot that he carries over. If so then he is even more NBA ready than I thought.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#285 » by Sealab2024 » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:29 am

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Sealab2024 wrote:I want Nix on this (Wolves) team. Dude just always does something good and never seems to force it, plus he has that common man build.


He is like Garza last year. Nix is good enough to play with the amateurs and G league guys, but not good enough for the big league. Also his 3 point shooting is a problem. To his credit he is 2/5 in summer league so far, but he is a long way from enough of a sample size to say his shooting has improved.


Of course, but like Garza he offers an end of the bench emergency body you can throw out there that'll know what he's doing, even if there are plain some things he can't do.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#286 » by winforlose » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:57 am

59 fouls called (26 on us, 33 on them,) with 68 free throws attempted (43 by us, 25 by them,) in 40 minutes. Weird game to say the least.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#287 » by Nick K » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:00 am

Neeva wrote:
Sealab2024 wrote:I want Nix on this (Wolves) team. Dude just always does something good and never seems to force it, plus he has that common man build.


He just seems so slow, he’s like our new slowmo, slownix?


He looks slow because he's a bigger guy. He doesn't play out of control. He's much faster than slomo. He does a lot of things well. I need to see him shoot more before I decide if he can or not.

I like him to make the team. He looks poised and makes his free throws.

Of course it's early. We have 2 more SL games to go.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#288 » by KATKlownFeet » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:05 am

winforlose wrote:Hifi has potential but as of now is 2/10 from deep and 10/22 overall. He is too quick to seek his own shot and does not look to run the offense. I wouldn’t mind him on a two way, but I would mind him as emergency depth.

Minott in the Wolves rotation would be as a player with a specific role. In Summer League he is playing beyond that role, and struggling (especially when he drives.) Minott again leads the team in rebounding, and again got to the line a lot (12/of 14 so far in summer league.) His defense is hit and miss. Overall he is playing well, but not as well as you would expect a 3rd year player to play. Then again, he is a supporting player not a featured player like the rookies, so this is probably by design.

TSJ went 7/8 from the line and hit 6/11 from the floor. He loves to attack the rim, but has not shown the range yet. He is a guy who I think will be rotation ready, but shouldn’t play with Rudy. He is at this point in my mind a non shooter. Great at the rim, great downhill near the rim or at the edge of the paint, but not a floor spacer.

RD started great and lost his stroke. 5/14 following a 2/12 is a bad sign. He is 2/9 from deep so far in summer league. His passing was better in this game, so was his attacking. His around the rim game is somewhere between bad and unplayable. Against more skilled defenders I think he will have trouble with every aspect of his game. He is not a bust, I am not calling him a bust, but he is also far from NBA ready.

Clark is making a case for being JO 2.0. The missing ingredient is the corner 3, and Clark went 1/1 from deep. He created so many possessions and disrupted the opposing offense to such an extent that menace is an understatement. He might be the breakout summer league star if he keeps this up. Still need to see more offensively to be comfortable with him on the big roster, but it is very early.

Miller looked like a guy auditioning for a 15th man on Detroit. He was soo quiet you could forget that he played. 7/3/1 on 7 shots in 17:25. Miller should be a leader on this team instead he is an afterthought. Very disappointed in him.


Miller is one of the youngest players out there. He's 20 and other than RD, might be next youngest. TSJ will be 24 later this month. I expect a lot out of TSJ for being so old. Miller is still raw but he has good upside and he has shown the ability to rebound the ball, shoot from the outside and hustle. Miller looked fine in game one and he got poked in the eye and it might be still bothering him some. Not worried at all about last year's second round pick as he has already exceeded my expectations based on his draft position.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#289 » by winforlose » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:07 am

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winforlose wrote:Hifi has potential but as of now is 2/10 from deep and 10/22 overall. He is too quick to seek his own shot and does not look to run the offense. I wouldn’t mind him on a two way, but I would mind him as emergency depth.

Minott in the Wolves rotation would be as a player with a specific role. In Summer League he is playing beyond that role, and struggling (especially when he drives.) Minott again leads the team in rebounding, and again got to the line a lot (12/of 14 so far in summer league.) His defense is hit and miss. Overall he is playing well, but not as well as you would expect a 3rd year player to play. Then again, he is a supporting player not a featured player like the rookies, so this is probably by design.

TSJ went 7/8 from the line and hit 6/11 from the floor. He loves to attack the rim, but has not shown the range yet. He is a guy who I think will be rotation ready, but shouldn’t play with Rudy. He is at this point in my mind a non shooter. Great at the rim, great downhill near the rim or at the edge of the paint, but not a floor spacer.

RD started great and lost his stroke. 5/14 following a 2/12 is a bad sign. He is 2/9 from deep so far in summer league. His passing was better in this game, so was his attacking. His around the rim game is somewhere between bad and unplayable. Against more skilled defenders I think he will have trouble with every aspect of his game. He is not a bust, I am not calling him a bust, but he is also far from NBA ready.

Clark is making a case for being JO 2.0. The missing ingredient is the corner 3, and Clark went 1/1 from deep. He created so many possessions and disrupted the opposing offense to such an extent that menace is an understatement. He might be the breakout summer league star if he keeps this up. Still need to see more offensively to be comfortable with him on the big roster, but it is very early.

Miller looked like a guy auditioning for a 15th man on Detroit. He was soo quiet you could forget that he played. 7/3/1 on 7 shots in 17:25. Miller should be a leader on this team instead he is an afterthought. Very disappointed in him.


Miller is one of the youngest players out there. He's 20 and other than RD, might be next youngest. TSJ will be 24 later this month. I expect a lot out of TSJ for being so old. Miller is still raw but he has good upside and he has some skills. Miller looked fine in game one and he got poked in the eye and it might be still bothering him some. Not worried at all about last year's second round pick as he has already exceeded my expectations based on his draft position.


Miller had a year with G league Ignite, then a year in Iowa/practicing with the Wolves. He should be ready to contribute at Summer League.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#290 » by KATKlownFeet » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:14 am

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winforlose wrote:Hifi has potential but as of now is 2/10 from deep and 10/22 overall. He is too quick to seek his own shot and does not look to run the offense. I wouldn’t mind him on a two way, but I would mind him as emergency depth.

Minott in the Wolves rotation would be as a player with a specific role. In Summer League he is playing beyond that role, and struggling (especially when he drives.) Minott again leads the team in rebounding, and again got to the line a lot (12/of 14 so far in summer league.) His defense is hit and miss. Overall he is playing well, but not as well as you would expect a 3rd year player to play. Then again, he is a supporting player not a featured player like the rookies, so this is probably by design.

TSJ went 7/8 from the line and hit 6/11 from the floor. He loves to attack the rim, but has not shown the range yet. He is a guy who I think will be rotation ready, but shouldn’t play with Rudy. He is at this point in my mind a non shooter. Great at the rim, great downhill near the rim or at the edge of the paint, but not a floor spacer.

RD started great and lost his stroke. 5/14 following a 2/12 is a bad sign. He is 2/9 from deep so far in summer league. His passing was better in this game, so was his attacking. His around the rim game is somewhere between bad and unplayable. Against more skilled defenders I think he will have trouble with every aspect of his game. He is not a bust, I am not calling him a bust, but he is also far from NBA ready.

Clark is making a case for being JO 2.0. The missing ingredient is the corner 3, and Clark went 1/1 from deep. He created so many possessions and disrupted the opposing offense to such an extent that menace is an understatement. He might be the breakout summer league star if he keeps this up. Still need to see more offensively to be comfortable with him on the big roster, but it is very early.

Miller looked like a guy auditioning for a 15th man on Detroit. He was soo quiet you could forget that he played. 7/3/1 on 7 shots in 17:25. Miller should be a leader on this team instead he is an afterthought. Very disappointed in him.


Miller is one of the youngest players out there. He's 20 and other than RD, might be next youngest. TSJ will be 24 later this month. I expect a lot out of TSJ for being so old. Miller is still raw but he has good upside and he has some skills. Miller looked fine in game one and he got poked in the eye and it might be still bothering him some. Not worried at all about last year's second round pick as he has already exceeded my expectations based on his draft position.


Miller had a year with G league Ignite, then a year in Iowa/practicing with the Wolves. He should be ready to contribute at Summer League.


Miller had zero years of college and started playing later in life, had a growth spurt and he has shown flashes of nice upside. He's 20 year old second round pick. Meanwhile, TSJ has had 5 years of college and is more than 3 years older. Miller did contribute in a big way last year of Summer League or have you forgotten? He was fine in game 1. He's not a ball dominant player and he gets boards, stretches the floor, gets some steals and he is banged up now. I have no complaints about Miller. I'm happy we got him.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#291 » by KATKlownFeet » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:21 am

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Neeva wrote:
Sealab2024 wrote:I want Nix on this (Wolves) team. Dude just always does something good and never seems to force it, plus he has that common man build.


He just seems so slow, he’s like our new slowmo, slownix?


He looks slow because he's a bigger guy. He doesn't play out of control. He's much faster than slomo. He does a lot of things well. I need to see him shoot more before I decide if he can or not.

I like him to make the team. He looks poised and makes his free throws.

Of course it's early. We have 2 more SL games to go.


I really like what Nix has shown so far. He did look impressive last preseason. I hope he gets some rotation minutes as I think RD will need to be nursed into action.
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Post#292 » by shrink » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:24 am

So I didn’t see the game, but the box score is crazy.

MIN and IND have similar FG%, RB, AST, BLK. Pacers killed is from 3, 16-36 vs 6-20.

But the steals! We had 17 steals to the Pacers … 3!

Chris Hine was telling the team in Game One to make defend, and make them feel it that they had to play the Wolves.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#293 » by winforlose » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:26 am

KATKlownFeet wrote:
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Neeva wrote:
He just seems so slow, he’s like our new slowmo, slownix?


He looks slow because he's a bigger guy. He doesn't play out of control. He's much faster than slomo. He does a lot of things well. I need to see him shoot more before I decide if he can or not.

I like him to make the team. He looks poised and makes his free throws.

Of course it's early. We have 2 more SL games to go.


I really like what Nix has shown so far. He did look impressive last preseason. I hope he gets some rotation minutes as I think RD will need to be nursed into action.


Summer League is weaker than G league. Summer league has guys trying to make it to the G league. It has less practice time and less structure than the G which favors more individual talent. Miller may be banged up, that is the best explanation for that performance. That said, it was surprisingly bad.

P.S. G league Ignite is supposed to be better than playing a year of college, specifically because you are playing against guys already drafted and who went undrafted and played at a higher level. Miller is no worse off for skipping one year of college.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#294 » by KATKlownFeet » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:47 am

winforlose wrote:
KATKlownFeet wrote:
Nick K wrote:
He looks slow because he's a bigger guy. He doesn't play out of control. He's much faster than slomo. He does a lot of things well. I need to see him shoot more before I decide if he can or not.

I like him to make the team. He looks poised and makes his free throws.

Of course it's early. We have 2 more SL games to go.


I really like what Nix has shown so far. He did look impressive last preseason. I hope he gets some rotation minutes as I think RD will need to be nursed into action.


Summer League is weaker than G league. Summer league has guys trying to make it to the G league. It has less practice time and less structure than the G which favors more individual talent. Miller may be banged up, that is the best explanation for that performance. That said, it was surprisingly bad.

P.S. G league Ignite is supposed to be better than playing a year of college, specifically because you are playing against guys already drafted and who went undrafted and played at a higher level. Miller is no worse off for skipping one year of college.


Miller is a complimentary player and playing with **** players like Wendell Moore isn't the best way to grow your game. I also think Iowa has a terrible coaching staff, so Miller will have to be spoon fed minutes with the big club to get himself going. He'll probably need someone to get injured to get a chance to play rotation minutes, but I look forward to seeing him play outside of garbage time.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#295 » by winforlose » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:58 am

KATKlownFeet wrote:
winforlose wrote:
KATKlownFeet wrote:
I really like what Nix has shown so far. He did look impressive last preseason. I hope he gets some rotation minutes as I think RD will need to be nursed into action.


Summer League is weaker than G league. Summer league has guys trying to make it to the G league. It has less practice time and less structure than the G which favors more individual talent. Miller may be banged up, that is the best explanation for that performance. That said, it was surprisingly bad.

P.S. G league Ignite is supposed to be better than playing a year of college, specifically because you are playing against guys already drafted and who went undrafted and played at a higher level. Miller is no worse off for skipping one year of college.


Miller is a complimentary player and playing with **** players like Wendell Moore isn't the best way to grow your game. I also think Iowa has a terrible coaching staff, so Miller will have to be spoon fed minutes with the big club to get himself going. He'll probably need someone to get injured to get a chance to play rotation minutes, but I look forward to seeing him play outside of garbage time.


Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Miller is a bust. I am disappointed that he isn’t standing out more as the starting 5, but as you said he is banged up. Still 3 more SL games and eventually preseason to help evaluate him.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#296 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:16 am

winforlose wrote:Hifi has potential but as of now is 2/10 from deep and 10/22 overall. He is too quick to seek his own shot and does not look to run the offense. I wouldn’t mind him on a two way, but I would mind him as emergency depth.

That's okay, we have Dozier and Nix for that.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#297 » by winforlose » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:21 am

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:Hifi has potential but as of now is 2/10 from deep and 10/22 overall. He is too quick to seek his own shot and does not look to run the offense. I wouldn’t mind him on a two way, but I would mind him as emergency depth.

That's okay, we have Dozier and Nix for that.


Nix is the guy you know will fail but signed for his contributions to bench morale (with any luck he won’t even be a two way after training camp.) Any game where he sees real minutes you must assume we lose. Dozier is the guy you play when Nix isn’t available. They are not NBA players.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#298 » by minimus » Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:00 am

Nick K wrote:I want to like Hifi. Hifi puts up 18 pts on 5 of 11 shooting. The problem is he's out of control shot machine. He had 0 boards and 0 asts!! He is a black hole with the ball.
He has talent but it's uncontrolled.

I wonder if that is something that our coaching staff is asking him - to create offense from nothing when our big men aren't helping in offense much. It means that some of these actions kind of by design looking selfish, but it is his role. Also Hifi is really physical indefense despite his small size. For instance, he has same height as Rob, but Hifi is aggressive in defense and doesn't foul much.
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#299 » by minimus » Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:12 am

shrink wrote:So I didn’t see the game, but the box score is crazy.

MIN and IND have similar FG%, RB, AST, BLK. Pacers killed is from 3, 16-36 vs 6-20.

But the steals! We had 17 steals to the Pacers … 3!

Chris Hine was telling the team in Game One to make defend, and make them feel it that they had to play the Wolves.


You can actually hear whole MIN bench and coaching staff to cheer and getting loud after every hustle play. I've noticed when Clark blocked someone. Love the atmosphere there
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Re: Summer league 2024 thread 

Post#300 » by winforlose » Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:40 am

shrink wrote:So I didn’t see the game, but the box score is crazy.

MIN and IND have similar FG%, RB, AST, BLK. Pacers killed is from 3, 16-36 vs 6-20.

But the steals! We had 17 steals to the Pacers … 3!

Chris Hine was telling the team in Game One to make defend, and make them feel it that they had to play the Wolves.


You missed the craziest part. We had 26 fouls called on us compared to their 33. We shot 43 free throws to their 25. Think about that for a minute, 59 fouls called, 68 free throws shot, in a 40 minute game. You can imagine what effect that has on both sides.

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