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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#561 » by jumpman28 » Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:36 am

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cdubbz wrote:Are fans really want Mitchell off the team? I thought it was Wheeler. Mitchell is a tiny beast. She’s perfect next to CC as a scoring machine.

Well, Wheeler's first out the door. But I've heard a lot of criticism about MItchell too, mostly about her size, defense, and not passing. The people wanting to cut Mitchell are looking at the finer details of crafting a championship team, I think. I like her, she's a firecracker.


I think as a fan of the team the criticism of Mitchell is far overblown. Does she get tunnel vision sometimes (or frequently), sure. She's a scorer first and second. But she's efficient and she has proven to be very much a clutch player. I see her putting in effort on defense, but obviously she could have better positioning and her size does put her at a disadvantage. In my opinion though, the positives outweight the negatives by a pretty good margin. The only way I would get rid of Mitchell is if you could get someone who can bring the same type things with better size and better defense, like an Allisha Gray or Ariel Atkins type player which is probably not going to happen in the 2025 Free agent pool.

Wheeler on the other hand, seems like a very good teammate and a nice person in general, but every time she runs the point, the offense comes to a grinding halt. The coach seems to think Wheeler at PG and Caitlin at SG has some kind of positive effect, but most anyone with eyes can see it is a horrible combination. I'm hoping they give Grace Berger another opportunity.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#562 » by cdubbz » Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:37 am

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cdubbz wrote:Are fans really want Mitchell off the team? I thought it was Wheeler. Mitchell is a tiny beast. She’s perfect next to CC as a scoring machine.

Well, Wheeler's first out the door. But I've heard a lot of criticism about MItchell too, mostly about her size, defense, and not passing. The people wanting to cut Mitchell are looking at the finer details of crafting a championship team, I think. I like her, she's a firecracker.


Damn. All I see is someone who can get a bucket. Especially with limited ball handling on the fever and shot creation. Haven’t watched enough to see if she disrupts the offense going for her own, but from what I see I like her.

Back to my girl Lexie — I like her activity on defense, but now that she’s getting 20min+ consistently she needs to do a little more on offense or board work.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#563 » by Sealab2024 » Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:43 am

rmontro wrote:Huge win for the Fever, they took control right at crunch time. I know a lot of people would get rid of her, but it seems to me Kelsi Mitchell is such a key for this team. They say she's too short for defense, but she got a key steal today. She's such a gutsy offensive player, it's like her center of gravity is about one foot off the ground lol, and she leads the team in points.

I was a little surprised Caitlin "only" had six assists, but I'm very happy with the win. Nice showing of Fever fans in Minnesota also.

Why are the Lynx colors blue and gray, but they were wearing green and black?


Green and black has always been the T-Wolves/Lynx alternate colors. The Wolves summer league team is wearing basically the same uniforms just printed and cut for men. Think KG in the black with Green pine tree Wolves uni's.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#564 » by rmontro » Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:57 am

jumpman28 wrote:I know she hasn't played well offensively the last few games, but she is miles better on perimeter defense than anyone the Fever have and she knows how to move without the ball and where to be on the floor. The team just seems to play more smoothly when she is on the floor. Even today she got a ton of deflections and hustle plays that turned into possessions for the Fever

Hull always goes out there and gives 100% effort, that has to be inspiring at least, to a team that looks like it sometimes needs it.


cdubbz wrote:Damn. All I see is someone who can get a bucket. Especially with limited ball handling on the fever and shot creation. Haven’t watched enough to see if she disrupts the offense going for her own, but from what I see I like her.

Mitchell seems like if you need someone to create something out of nothing, she's a good choice. It's like she can just run under everybody to the basket.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#565 » by rmontro » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:03 am

Sealab2024 wrote:Green and black has always been the T-Wolves/Lynx alternate colors. The Wolves summer league team is wearing basically the same uniforms just printed and cut for men. Think KG in the black with Green pine tree Wolves uni's.

I knew the NBA owned the WNBA, and I knew the guy who owns the Pacers owns the Fever. But I guess I didn't realize there was that close of an association between the two leagues. You almost make it sound like the Lynx are the T-Wolves farm team lol.

I don't watch the NBA anymore, and it's just a fluke that I started watching the Fever. I was dimly aware of Clark, that she had broken Pistol Pete's record, and that she was creating a lot of buzz, and I heard the Fever were going to draft her. I live in Indiana, so I thought this might be something interesting to watch develop. And it has been that.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#566 » by Sealab2024 » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:17 am

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Sealab2024 wrote:Green and black has always been the T-Wolves/Lynx alternate colors. The Wolves summer league team is wearing basically the same uniforms just printed and cut for men. Think KG in the black with Green pine tree Wolves uni's.

I knew the NBA owned the WNBA, and I knew the guy who owns the Pacers owns the Fever. But I guess I didn't realize there was that close of an association between the two leagues. You almost make it sound like the Lynx are the T-Wolves farm team lol.

I don't watch the NBA anymore, and it's just a fluke that I started watching the Fever. I was dimly aware of Clark, that she had broken Pistol Pete's record, and that she was creating a lot of buzz, and I heard the Fever were going to draft her. I live in Indiana, so I thought this might be something interesting to watch develop. And it has been that.


No, they're just owned by the same guy and the two franchises are essentially considered a single year round business. Basketball entertainment. They play in the same place, use the same training equipment, share support staff, use the same colors, get the same kind of downtown MPLS advertisement, etc.

And considering the trajectory of the two franchises since their births, you'd probably have a better chance convincing me the Wolves were the farm club.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#567 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:31 am

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rmontro wrote:
cdubbz wrote:Are fans really want Mitchell off the team? I thought it was Wheeler. Mitchell is a tiny beast. She’s perfect next to CC as a scoring machine.

Well, Wheeler's first out the door. But I've heard a lot of criticism about MItchell too, mostly about her size, defense, and not passing. The people wanting to cut Mitchell are looking at the finer details of crafting a championship team, I think. I like her, she's a firecracker.


I think as a fan of the team the criticism of Mitchell is far overblown. Does she get tunnel vision sometimes (or frequently), sure. She's a scorer first and second. But she's efficient and she has proven to be very much a clutch player. I see her putting in effort on defense, but obviously she could have better positioning and her size does put her at a disadvantage. In my opinion though, the positives outweight the negatives by a pretty good margin. The only way I would get rid of Mitchell is if you could get someone who can bring the same type things with better size and better defense, like an Allisha Gray or Ariel Atkins type player which is probably not going to happen in the 2025 Free agent pool.

Wheeler on the other hand, seems like a very good teammate and a nice person in general, but every time she runs the point, the offense comes to a grinding halt. The coach seems to think Wheeler at PG and Caitlin at SG has some kind of positive effect, but most anyone with eyes can see it is a horrible combination. I'm hoping they give Grace Berger another opportunity.


The issue is that Clark, Mitchell, and Wheeler are all ball stoppers. You can't have a backcourt that does that collectively.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#568 » by Ghetto Gospel » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:50 am

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jumpman28 wrote:
rmontro wrote:Well, Wheeler's first out the door. But I've heard a lot of criticism about MItchell too, mostly about her size, defense, and not passing. The people wanting to cut Mitchell are looking at the finer details of crafting a championship team, I think. I like her, she's a firecracker.


I think as a fan of the team the criticism of Mitchell is far overblown. Does she get tunnel vision sometimes (or frequently), sure. She's a scorer first and second. But she's efficient and she has proven to be very much a clutch player. I see her putting in effort on defense, but obviously she could have better positioning and her size does put her at a disadvantage. In my opinion though, the positives outweight the negatives by a pretty good margin. The only way I would get rid of Mitchell is if you could get someone who can bring the same type things with better size and better defense, like an Allisha Gray or Ariel Atkins type player which is probably not going to happen in the 2025 Free agent pool.

Wheeler on the other hand, seems like a very good teammate and a nice person in general, but every time she runs the point, the offense comes to a grinding halt. The coach seems to think Wheeler at PG and Caitlin at SG has some kind of positive effect, but most anyone with eyes can see it is a horrible combination. I'm hoping they give Grace Berger another opportunity.


The issue is that Clark, Mitchell, and Wheeler are all ball stoppers. You can't have a backcourt that does that collectively.


it looks like both wheeler and mitchell are free agents at the end of the year. i imagine at least one of them will be gone (probably wheeler)

this team should have a lot of money to spend considering their 2 best players are on rookie deals
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#569 » by jc23 » Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:25 am

Good defense by the Fever in the 4th.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#570 » by Ice Man » Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:27 pm

Well, that was different. I spent most of this season thinking that Clark's teammates were holding her back. But last night, they propped her up. She wasn't very good in the game, not by her standards, but her teammates stepped up and delivered. A very good omen for the Fever's future. Sure, no Collier for the Lynx, but overall the Fever looked like an outright good team.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#571 » by jc23 » Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:53 am

since starting the season at 1-8 they have gone 10-6. With a very winnable game vs Dallas before heading into the break.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#572 » by Ice Man » Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:42 am

jc23 wrote:since starting the season at 1-8 they have gone 10-6. With a very winnable game vs Dallas before heading into the break.


The Fever's remaining schedule is butter soft, with only 1 of their final 15 games being against a team that currently has a winning record. (The Fever have already played 9 such games, with a 1-8 record.) Given that, the team seems quite likely to reach .500.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#573 » by jumpman28 » Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:44 pm

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jc23 wrote:since starting the season at 1-8 they have gone 10-6. With a very winnable game vs Dallas before heading into the break.


The Fever's remaining schedule is butter soft, with only 1 of their final 15 games being against a team that currently has a winning record. (The Fever have already played 9 such games, with a 1-8 record.) Given that, the team seems quite likely to reach .500.


I agree and most of the games are at home, but to play devil's advocate, a lot of the teams that they face will be having their full team returning after the Olympic break. For instance, I can almost guarantee Atlanta will have Rhyne Howard and possibly even Jordin Canada back. Dallas will also have Satou Sabally back. Minnesota will have Collier back, etc..
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Post#574 » by Ice Man » Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:57 pm

jumpman28 wrote:I agree and most of the games are at home, but to play devil's advocate, a lot of the teams that they face will be having their full team returning after the Olympic break. For instance, I can almost guarantee Atlanta will have Rhyne Howard and possibly even Jordin Canada back. Dallas will also have Satou Sabally back. Minnesota will have Collier back, etc..


Well, that's true. For sure the Fever have benefited over the past 2 games by facing weakened opponents.
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Post#575 » by jumpman28 » Tue Jul 16, 2024 5:11 pm

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jumpman28 wrote:I agree and most of the games are at home, but to play devil's advocate, a lot of the teams that they face will be having their full team returning after the Olympic break. For instance, I can almost guarantee Atlanta will have Rhyne Howard and possibly even Jordin Canada back. Dallas will also have Satou Sabally back. Minnesota will have Collier back, etc..


Well, that's true. For sure the Fever have benefited over the past 2 games by facing weakened opponents.


I just meant that even though Dallas, Atlanta, Washington are at the bottom of the standings right now. They are not THAT far behind and their teams will look a lot different in a month or so than they do right now. But I think the Fever just need to keep improving like they have from the beginning of the season, and also they should have Temi Fagbenle back at 100% after the break also.
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Post#576 » by rmontro » Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:01 pm

Ice Man wrote:The Fever's remaining schedule is butter soft, with only 1 of their final 15 games being against a team that currently has a winning record. (The Fever have already played 9 such games, with a 1-8 record.) Given that, the team seems quite likely to reach .500.

After that loss to the Mystics, I'm not taking anything for granted.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#577 » by Ghetto Gospel » Wed Jul 17, 2024 11:57 pm

lexie hull is too much of a zero on offense, she needs to develop that shot
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#578 » by cdubbz » Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:12 am

Clark knows she can get to the bucket at will. 3 straight drives to the bucket by her.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#579 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:26 am

That behind the back pass in traffic by Clark to Boston was one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen.

My God. CC!!!!!
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#580 » by jumpman28 » Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:28 am

MrDollarBills wrote:That behind the back pass in traffic by Clark to Boston was one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen.

My God. CC!!!!!


Even though the shot was missed that was one of those plays where you have to play it back twice to make sure you saw what you just saw. That was sick

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