Chicago Sky/WNBA thread 2024

2weekswithpay · Post #401 » by **2weekswithpay** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:28 am

Clark might get a 20-20 game as a rookie.

madvillian · Post #402 » by **madvillian** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:32 am

2weekswithpay wrote:Clark might get a 20-20 game as a rookie.

She's coming into her own now. Really nice, I had some doubts as she's not that physically gifted, but like steph she's a supernatural athlete otherwise. She could probably pick up golf and become scratch just like Steph if she wanted.

Post #403 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:44 am

Caitlyn Clark with 24pts and 19 assists. (WNBA record)

Insane talent.

jc23 · Post #404 » by **jc23** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:50 am

Scott Skiles assist record will fall, we know by who now, just a matter of when.

Post #405 » by **Ice Man** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:00 am

Alcatraz17 wrote:Mostly agree except for Clark being "incurably reckless". You actually think that Clark won't improve, year to year, in every aspect of her game that she can control? To me, she is extremely cerebral and has already shown significant improvements in her game from the beginning of the year. While she is far from perfect, I'm not sure "incurably reckless" accurately describes her future.

I hear ya, so let me rephrase. Clark's DNA is to play on the edge. Sabrina Ionescu had 9.1 assists per game as a college senior with 3.0 turnovers, while Clark was 8.9 and 4.7. That doesn't mean that Clark is a worse passer. It means that she plays more on the edge, with that streak of recklessness. Is that a bad thing? Well yes, it is a bad thing when measured strictly statistically, as with those numbers. It's not necessarily for winning games, though, because what doesn't show up in the box score is how much Clark messes up opposing defenses. Her playing style is more disruptive than Sabrina's -- sometimes to her own team, but also to the opposition.

And I don't see that ever changing. Sure as she learns more the TOs will go down. All her numbers will improve, she is a rookie. But she will never be a low-turnover PG, I am willing to bet.

Shill · Post #406 » by **Shill** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:00 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Caitlyn Clark with 24pts and 19 assists. (WNBA record)

Insane talent.

Yep.

Now she just needs a coach :lol:

Post #407 » by **Ice Man** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:03 am

Shill wrote:
DASMACKDOWN wrote:Caitlyn Clark with 24pts and 19 assists. (WNBA record)

Insane talent.

Yep.

Now she just needs a coach

Eh. If the Fever had any forward on its roster who was at least a league-average defender and also a league-average attacker, the team would be winning a lot and the coach criticism would be muted. But the Fever currently is rolling out two forwards who are each like DDR on defense, and Pat on offense.

Jeffster81 · Post #408 » by **Jeffster81** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:23 am

Sky needs a player like Bueckers in 2025 but they need 1oa. Dallas will undoubtably pick swap. The Sky needs to figure out a way to get that pick swap removed.

Betta Bulleavit · Post #409 » by **Betta Bulleavit** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:31 am

Jeffster81 wrote:Sky needs a player like Bueckers in 2025 but they need 1oa. Dallas will undoubtably pick swap. The Sky needs to figure out a way to get that pick swap removed.

Not if the standings stay consistent with what they are now. Swapping picks with Chicago would likely hurt their position rather than helping them. Unless the Sky miss the playoffs and win the lottery.

Shill · Post #410 » by **Shill** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:28 pm

Ice Man wrote:
Shill wrote:
DASMACKDOWN wrote:Caitlyn Clark with 24pts and 19 assists. (WNBA record)

Insane talent.

Yep.

Now she just needs a coach

Eh. If the Fever had any forward on its roster who was at least a league-average defender and also a league-average attacker, the team would be winning a lot and the coach criticism would be muted. But the Fever currently is rolling out two forwards who are each like DDR on defense, and Pat on offense.

I don't know, man. Sides is pretty bad.

Some of her lineups are inexplicable, and she takes too long to adjust. The Mystics game was coaching malpractice.

I get Fred Hoiberg vibes watching her.

Post #411 » by **Ice Man** » Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:39 pm

It's always hard to separate the coach from a weak roster. But I will represent coach Sides right now. Here are the PERs (15 is league average) for her available wings -

Kelsey Mitchell - 15.8
Kristy Wallace - 10.2
Katie Lou Samuelson - 9.5

It goes down from there.

Worse, the one "wing" that the team has who does pretty well is tiny, the size of a point guard, so she can't defend effectively. Thus, when selecting among wings, Sides must pair a poor defender (who plays the guard position next to Clark, another not great defender) with a second wing who can't really do much at all. That's tough.

In contrast, the team has 4 serviceable bigs. So it's kinda the opposite of the Bulls -- enough larger players, but sorely missing wings.

Shill · Post #412 » by **Shill** » Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:38 pm

Ice Man wrote:It's always hard to separate the coach from a weak roster. But I will represent coach Sides right now. Here are the PERs (15 is league average) for her available wings -

Kelsey Mitchell - 15.8
Kristy Wallace - 10.2
Katie Lou Samuelson - 9.5

It goes down from there.

Worse, the one "wing" that the team has who does pretty well is tiny, the size of a point guard, so she can't defend effectively. Thus, when selecting among wings, Sides must pair a poor defender (who plays the guard position next to Clark, another not great defender) with a second wing who can't really do much at all. That's tough.

In contrast, the team has 4 serviceable bigs. So it's kinda the opposite of the Bulls -- enough larger players, but sorely missing wings.

I don't disagree that it's a misfit roster and they're the youngest team in the league, but she still isn't optimizing what she has.

For instance, in the Mystics game, they waited until the 4th quarter to start switching PnR after getting destroyed for three quarters.

In the Lynx game, she tried to slow down the pace after killing it playing SSOL ball with Clark. They upped the tempo in the 4th, and came back from down 8.

I just don't think she's a big-time coach.

We'll see how it plays out.

jc23 · Post #413 » by **jc23** » Sat Jul 20, 2024 7:26 pm

Caitlin and Angel tonight

Watch on YouTube

Post #414 » by **Ice Man** » Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:37 pm

Shill wrote:I don't disagree that it's a misfit roster and they're the youngest team in the league, but she still isn't optimizing what she has.

For instance, in the Mystics game, they waited until the 4th quarter to start switching PnR after getting destroyed for three quarters.

In the Lynx game, she tried to slow down the pace after killing it playing SSOL ball with Clark. They upped the tempo in the 4th, and came back from down 8.

OK, those are good and valid criticisms.

Dominator83 · Post #415 » by **Dominator83** » Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:29 pm

_txchilibowl_ wrote:
2weekswithpay wrote:

Read on Twitter

Woah. I don't like this at all. Mabrey was the only consistent shooter on the team and, outside of Carter, the only one who could generate their own shot.

She demanded a trade. They really are kind of a farm franchise. 1st Sylvia Fowles, the EDD, now Mabrey. Every time they develop a young star they demand out. Thankfully Candace came home and got us 1

dice · Post #416 » by **dice** » Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:39 pm

can the sky become the knicks to caitlyn's bulls?

Post #417 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:27 am

Angel Reese is like Rodman out there lol

Post #418 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:30 am

Stewie and Aja definitely want the MVP

Wingy · Post #419 » by **Wingy** » Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:47 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Stewie and Aja definitely want the MVP

This is the most fun all star game I’ve seen since Mike still laced em up. Any sport.

Team USA vs league All Stars is an awesome format

Post #420 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:13 am

Honestly Arike proving how stupid the Team USA selection process is.