Trades and Transactions thread cont - we still need a center

[mpharris36]

We would need more salary added on their end than that to make it work.

I just did the following on fanspo

Randle, McBride, and Sims

for

Sengun, Brooks, and Jeff Green

and the salaries are within 64k of each other. Meaning it would be really close we obviously work out a S&T or small player for the difference.

Sengun would be an amazing get.

The ONLY other guy (besides the polarizing KAT) I can think of that could be available that would be worth it to give up Randle is Sengun.

Apparently he pissed the coach off a ton with his freelancing and they won without him at end of season. Do Knicks think he is a better option than Randle if he doesn't want to play ball in negotiations? It's a good question.

Quite doubtful but fun to speculate because Houston is itching to make a move. Duece and Randle are quite a package of players.

Brooks would give us another Thibs hard nosed tweener defender

It certainly would be a gamble from our FO. Because Sengun is 21...is he ready to be the #2 option on a championship type team?

In terms of being a more modern lineup. You woudl probably go back to starting DD and then role out Brunson/DD/Mikal/OG/Sengun. Which would be some crazy spacing and pretty solid defense.

Your bench would be Cam Payne or Kolak - Josh Hart-Dillon Brooks-Mitch Robinson.

Also if your also looking for a Giannis trade in the future or another superstar. Sengun extension plus Dillon Brooks salary probably gets you close to Giannis or any big time +40 MM salary over a year from now.

Completely speculating though. And have no idea if Sengun trade is even a possibility. As much as I have had trepidations on Randle FO would be taking a huge gamble moving him 2 time all-nba for a 21 year old (yes talented but this team wants to compete for a championship this year.

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[KnixinSix]

I just did the following on fanspo

Randle, McBride, and Sims

for

Sengun, Brooks, and Jeff Green

and the salaries are within 64k of each other. Meaning it would be really close we obviously work out a S&T or small player for the difference.

Sengun would be an amazing get.

The ONLY other guy (besides the polarizing KAT) I can think of that could be available that would be worth it to give up Randle is Sengun.

Apparently he pissed the coach off a ton with his freelancing and they won without him at end of season. Do Knicks think he is a better option than Randle if he doesn't want to play ball in negotiations? It's a good question.

Quite doubtful but fun to speculate because Houston is itching to make a move. Duece and Randle are quite a package of players.

Brooks would give us another Thibs hard nosed tweener defender

It certainly would be a gamble from our FO. Because Sengun is 21...is he ready to be the #2 option on a championship type team?

In terms of being a more modern lineup. You woudl probably go back to starting DD and then role out Brunson/DD/Mikal/OG/Sengun. Which would be some crazy spacing and pretty solid defense.

Your bench would be Cam Payne or Kolak - Josh Hart-Dillon Brooks-Mitch Robinson.

Also if your also looking for a Giannis trade in the future or another superstar. Sengun extension plus Dillon Brooks salary probably gets you close to Giannis or any big time +40 MM salary over a year from now.

Completely speculating though. And have no idea if Sengun trade is even a possibility. As much as I have had trepidations on Randle FO would be taking a huge gamble moving him 2 time all-nba for a 21 year old (yes talented but this team wants to compete for a championship this year.

Brooks also comes with so many extra headaches, do you really wanna deal with him being ejected 10 times a season, and players specifically targeting him to make him look like an ass. Depends on how they see the player I guess....

You keep Mitch in this scenario too which is interesting.

[KnicksGadfly]

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Man some of these guys must dislike Randle way more than I do. These trades are pretty bad

[KnixinSix]

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Dumpster fire

[VirginiaKnickFan]

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How does a guy with Randle's stats and awards get disrespected like this?

[3toheadmelo]

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Man some of these guys must dislike Randle way more than I do. These trades are pretty bad

you wanted him traded for batum though

[KnicksGadfly]

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Man some of these guys must dislike Randle way more than I do. These trades are pretty bad

you wanted him traded for batum though

Don't remember but probably did. Guessing it was 2019-2020 and Randle had a horrific season and Batum was really bad in Charlotte?

Or was it another year?

Anyway I think I ate crow in 2020 but I try not to eat crow too much for the same player over and over again.

[BrOnXKing1]

In what world would we give up Randle and picks for Cam Johnson. One player is all star caliber and the other is not

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In what world would we give up Randle and picks for Cam Johnson. One player is all star caliber and the other is not

they still think we're trash...

[stuporman]

You can't spell scoff season without off season...

[msanchez2725]

I would love to buy low on Jabari Smith Jr but I doubt he’s available.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Here's a couple of big 'if' triggers for a potential Randle for KAT trade, not that I'm in favor of it but just that it seems like these are the current sticking points that has stopped a trade from already happening even though it's suggested Rose would like it to happen.

First 'if': If Randle signs his extension this summer, I don't know what it would have to be to make everyone happy including Randle, the Knicks and the Wolves but it seems MIN doesn't want to trade for a guy in his last year of contract potentially losing him for nothing after trading KAT for him.

Second 'if': If MIN will do the trade without getting the pick haul they probably want to trade KAT. There would have to be enough talent and cap relief to make it worth doing the deal while staying title contenders but the Knicks sure don't have that draft capital they'd want anymore.

If those two big 'if's happen, then I think a trade will happen, if either of those aren't happening, the deal isn't happening.

I still don't know 'if' I'd like it.

On a different note, wouldn’t KAT totally change our (defensive) identity? I get we will score more. And now we are risking more OG injuries as he will play the 4.

Super risky imo. Way safer imo to play out the coming season and see what we got, then make moves.

You missed the point of my comment, it wasn't about the basketball 'fit' analysis, it was about what may be the hold up to any potential deal and what I see as the reasons why it would or wouldn't happen. The fit is another story altogether.

Yet if you're talking about waiting a year that changes so much with the players values and it really does depend on whether Randle signs an extension before this season. If he doesn't he becomes a UFA and the Knicks are in a much different position as far as him as a trade asset, it's practically none at that point. So making moves with him become limited at best, nonexistent is likely.

That is risky if you are talking about asset management and waiting to find out what the Knicks got may result in them not having it anymore so that wait and see approach could backfire, too. There's no risk free strategy.

I didn’t miss your point. I brought up another, hence “On a different note…”

But to your point, we most certainly can’t risk losing Randle for nothing.

[stuporman]

On a different note, wouldn’t KAT totally change our (defensive) identity? I get we will score more. And now we are risking more OG injuries as he will play the 4.

Super risky imo. Way safer imo to play out the coming season and see what we got, then make moves.

You missed the point of my comment, it wasn't about the basketball 'fit' analysis, it was about what may be the hold up to any potential deal and what I see as the reasons why it would or wouldn't happen. The fit is another story altogether.

Yet if you're talking about waiting a year that changes so much with the players values and it really does depend on whether Randle signs an extension before this season. If he doesn't he becomes a UFA and the Knicks are in a much different position as far as him as a trade asset, it's practically none at that point. So making moves with him become limited at best, nonexistent is likely.

That is risky if you are talking about asset management and waiting to find out what the Knicks got may result in them not having it anymore so that wait and see approach could backfire, too. There's no risk free strategy.

I didn’t miss your point. I brought up another, hence “On a different note…”

But to your point, we most certainly can’t risk losing Randle for nothing.

Well, there are plenty of other people talking about basketball fit with KAT and I made no mention of it, your comments about fit would be more suitable to someone who is actually talking about it. I didn't even advocate for it, just commented on what my opinion of the stipulations for it to happen.

[spree2kawhi]

You missed the point of my comment, it wasn't about the basketball 'fit' analysis, it was about what may be the hold up to any potential deal and what I see as the reasons why it would or wouldn't happen. The fit is another story altogether.

Yet if you're talking about waiting a year that changes so much with the players values and it really does depend on whether Randle signs an extension before this season. If he doesn't he becomes a UFA and the Knicks are in a much different position as far as him as a trade asset, it's practically none at that point. So making moves with him become limited at best, nonexistent is likely.

That is risky if you are talking about asset management and waiting to find out what the Knicks got may result in them not having it anymore so that wait and see approach could backfire, too. There's no risk free strategy.

I didn’t miss your point. I brought up another, hence “On a different note…”

But to your point, we most certainly can’t risk losing Randle for nothing.

Well, there are plenty of other people talking about basketball fit with KAT and I made no mention of it, your comments about fit would be more suitable to someone who is actually talking about it. I didn't even advocate for it, just commented on what my opinion of the stipulations for it to happen.

If you don’t want to lose Randle for nothing in a bidding match with other teams next summer, you have to trade him now. Someone will pay him as he’s perfect for small market buyers who won’t ever land higher profile free agents but want to contend. Then there’s always the tax implication of states like Texas, where a player’s money will be worth a lot more. We might even lose him to established teams like Houston, the Clippers, Denver or even Dallas if Irving opts out next summer.

[HarthorneWingo]

Man some of these guys must dislike Randle way more than I do. These trades are pretty bad

you wanted him traded for batum though

Don't remember but probably did. Guessing it was 2019-2020 and Randle had a horrific season and Batum was really bad in Charlotte?

Or was it another year?

Anyway I think I ate crow in 2020 but I try not to eat crow too much for the same player over and over again.

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[Chislic]

Based on rumors and speculation given to me by mpharris36... basic framework would be...

New York
Clint Capela
Alperen Sengun
Tari Eason

Houston
Julius Randle

Atlanta
Michel Robinson
Deuce Mcbride

Capela/Mitch swap is to make the $$$ work and provide more durability. NY receives players they have been rumored to have interest in.

I left out some of the scrubs that make the deal work. Tested trade on fanspo and made sure it worked with the cap on the Spotrac trade machine.

[mpharris36]

Based on rumors and speculation... basic framework would be...

New York
Clint Capela
Alperen Sengun
Tari Eason

Houston
Julius Randle

Atlanta
Michel Robinson
Deuce Mcbride

Capela/Mitch swap is to make the $$$ work and provide more durability. NY receives players they have been rumored to have interest in.

I left out some of the scrubs that make the deal work. Tested trade on fanspo and made sure it worked with the cap on the Spotrac trade machine.

what rumors and speculation?

And why does ATL make out like bandits?

Mitch is better than Capela and then they just get Duece for **** and giggles?

[KnixinSix]

I didn’t miss your point. I brought up another, hence “On a different note…”

But to your point, we most certainly can’t risk losing Randle for nothing.

Well, there are plenty of other people talking about basketball fit with KAT and I made no mention of it, your comments about fit would be more suitable to someone who is actually talking about it. I didn't even advocate for it, just commented on what my opinion of the stipulations for it to happen.

If you don’t want to lose Randle for nothing in a bidding match with other teams next summer, you have to trade him now. Someone will pay him as he’s perfect for small market buyers who won’t ever land higher profile free agents but want to contend. Then there’s always the tax implication of states like Texas, where a player’s money will be worth a lot more. We might even lose him to established teams like Houston, the Clippers, Denver or even Dallas if Irving opts out next summer.

UNless he wants to take less like Brunson and Bridges etc. but it doesnt seem like it.