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Re: The Terrence Shannon Thread 

Post#201 » by minimus » Mon Jul 22, 2024 8:16 pm



Last season Anderson took almost 300 floaters, more than anyone in MIN. In some sense Anderson has adapted to Gobert presence in the paint by shooting those long floaters, and he also found ways to score without 3pt shot, dribbling and athleticism. This is not he case for Shannon who has both slashing game, 3pt shooting and can earn FTs. However, having floater might greatly increase his chances to be effective next to Gobert.

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Post#202 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 22, 2024 8:43 pm

minimus wrote:Last season Anderson took almost 300 floaters, more than anyone in MIN. In some sense Anderson has adapted to Gobert presence in the paint by shooting those long floaters, and he also found ways to score without 3pt shot, dribbling and athleticism. This is not he case for Shannon who has both slashing game, 3pt shooting and can earn FTs. However, having floater might greatly increase his chances to be effective next to Gobert.

I'm not going to say that developing a floater is unimportant for Shannon; but I do think it's less important for Shannon than it is for Dillingham, simply because of Shannon's ability to absorb and finish through contact.
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Re: The Terrence Shannon Thread 

Post#203 » by KGdaBom » Mon Jul 22, 2024 8:44 pm

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minimus wrote:Last season Anderson took almost 300 floaters, more than anyone in MIN. In some sense Anderson has adapted to Gobert presence in the paint by shooting those long floaters, and he also found ways to score without 3pt shot, dribbling and athleticism. This is not he case for Shannon who has both slashing game, 3pt shooting and can earn FTs. However, having floater might greatly increase his chances to be effective next to Gobert.

I'm not going to say that developing a floater is unimportant for Shannon; but I do think it's less important for Shannon than it is for Dillingham, simply because of Shannon's ability to absorb and finish through contact.

Yeah. Dilly's floater does need to get batter.
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Post#204 » by minimus » Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:29 pm



His passing is similar to Naz, I mean it is not fancy, but quick and decisive. It is also one of the reasons why I think TSJ was kind of misinterpreted as ISO scorer, because I think he can be part of motion offense type of offense simply by playing fast, decisive and unselfish basketball
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Post#205 » by winforlose » Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:33 pm

minimus wrote:

His passing is similar to Naz, I mean it is not fancy, but quick and decisive. It is also one of the reasons why I think TSJ was kind of misinterpreted as ISO scorer, because I think he can be part of motion offense type of offense simply by playing fast, decisive and unselfish basketball


I agree. But I do worry he is too quick to drive and too willing to pass up open 3s. I think Finch is gonna drill into him that he must develop his catch and shoot game and get comfortable with distance shooting in the months before preseason.
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Post#206 » by minimus » Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:40 am

I read in many offseason analysis that these main point about MIN offseason:

- lost Anderson, his defensive versatility and ballhandling
- added Dillingham, but he is raw
- added Ingles, but he is old

Usually no one writes about Monte Morris, but more interesting no one care about TSJ addition. I understand why Monte is not getting much attention, however, I TSJ is basically is in same tier as NBA players drafted 1-2 years ago, some names from SL league:

- Wendell Moore Jr.
- Ochai Agbaji
- Keyonte George
- Jordan Hawkins
- Jaime Jaquez Jr.
- Brandin Podziemski
- Cam Whitmore
- Marcus Sasser
- Ben Sheppard
- Nick Smith Jr.
- Julian Strawther

Which makes me believe that TSJ might be an impactful player, who has been kind of underrated because of "label" of "24yo rookie with limited potential due to age".
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Post#207 » by KGdaBom » Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:35 am

minimus wrote:

His passing is similar to Naz, I mean it is not fancy, but quick and decisive. It is also one of the reasons why I think TSJ was kind of misinterpreted as ISO scorer, because I think he can be part of motion offense type of offense simply by playing fast, decisive and unselfish basketball

That's a lot of highlights for the limited time he played.
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Post#208 » by KGdaBom » Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:37 am

winforlose wrote:
minimus wrote:

His passing is similar to Naz, I mean it is not fancy, but quick and decisive. It is also one of the reasons why I think TSJ was kind of misinterpreted as ISO scorer, because I think he can be part of motion offense type of offense simply by playing fast, decisive and unselfish basketball


I agree. But I do worry he is too quick to drive and too willing to pass up open 3s. I think Finch is gonna drill into him that he must develop his catch and shoot game and get comfortable with distance shooting in the months before preseason.

I'm fine with his propensity to drive. He is so good at it he should look to drive first pass or shoot 3s alternately. Of course he should do all 3, but driving should be his first priority IMO.
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Re: The Terrence Shannon Thread 

Post#209 » by KGdaBom » Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:39 am

minimus wrote:I read in many offseason analysis that these main point about MIN offseason:

- lost Anderson, his defensive versatility and ballhandling
- added Dillingham, but he is raw
- added Ingles, but he is old

Usually no one writes about Monte Morris, but more interesting no one care about TSJ addition. I understand why Monte is not getting much attention, however, I TSJ is basically is in same tier as NBA players drafted 1-2 years ago, some names from SL league:

- Wendell Moore Jr.
- Ochai Agbaji
- Keyonte George
- Jordan Hawkins
- Jaime Jaquez Jr.
- Brandin Podziemski
- Cam Whitmore
- Marcus Sasser
- Ben Sheppard
- Nick Smith Jr.
- Julian Strawther

Which makes me believe that TSJ might be an impactful player, who has been kind of underrated because of "label" of "24yo rookie with limited potential due to age".

I think the Stars are his limit and nothing less. :D :rock:
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Re: The Terrence Shannon Thread 

Post#210 » by KGdaBom » Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:15 pm

I don't know if this has been posted, but it's a good one.

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Post#211 » by Klomp » Fri Aug 2, 2024 6:42 pm

Sometimes, I see a little but of Ant in him. Which is funny, since TJ is older than Ant.
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Post#212 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 2, 2024 8:02 pm

Klomp wrote:Sometimes, I see a little but of Ant in him. Which is funny, since TJ is older than Ant.

He's ANTish. :D
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Post#213 » by minimus » Fri Aug 2, 2024 8:20 pm

I have been rewatching some MIN 2023-24 games and I realised that TSJ can learn from one MIN former player... His name is Jordan McLaughlin! I think McLaughlin has been kind of underrated finisher at rim and particularly in transition. It starts with famous UCLA cut, McLaughlin ran it with Rubio, with DLo, with Anderson.
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Although McLaughlin was listed as backup PG, he often played defacto wing position next to Conley, Anderson, NAW. I am watching right now last game of regular season (Apr.14, 2023) against PHO and starting second quarter McLaughlin scored twice in transition simply by outrunning opponents.
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Post#214 » by minimus » Tue Aug 6, 2024 7:24 pm

Is TSJ what Michael Beasley was supposed to be?
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Post#215 » by KGdaBom » Wed Aug 7, 2024 10:34 pm

minimus wrote:Is TSJ what Michael Beasley was supposed to be?

I don't see it that way. He's bigger, stronger and more athletic. I don't think Beasley was ever supposed to be an attack the rim guy.

TJ is what they call him no S by the way.
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Post#216 » by Klomp » Wed Aug 7, 2024 11:51 pm

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minimus wrote:Is TSJ what Michael Beasley was supposed to be?

I don't see it that way. He's bigger, stronger and more athletic. I don't think Beasley was ever supposed to be an attack the rim guy.

TJ is what they call him no S by the way.

Wrong Beasley!
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Post#217 » by KGdaBom » Wed Aug 7, 2024 11:55 pm

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minimus wrote:Is TSJ what Michael Beasley was supposed to be?

I don't see it that way. He's bigger, stronger and more athletic. I don't think Beasley was ever supposed to be an attack the rim guy.

TJ is what they call him no S by the way.

Wrong Beasley!

Oh yeah. Sorry, when I see M Beasley my mind instantly thinks Malik Beasley. Michael Beasley was a player I had high expectations for that didn't live up to them. TJ will live up to my high expectations. SO yeah, maybe who Michael Beasley was supposed to be.
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Post#218 » by thinktank » Thu Aug 8, 2024 12:00 am

KGdaBom wrote:
Klomp wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I don't see it that way. He's bigger, stronger and more athletic. I don't think Beasley was ever supposed to be an attack the rim guy.

TJ is what they call him no S by the way.

Wrong Beasley!

Oh yeah. Sorry, when I see M Beasley my mind instantly thinks Malik Beasley. Michael Beasley was a player I had high expectations for that didn't live up to them. TJ will live up to my high expectations. SO yeah, maybe who Michael Beasley was supposed to be.


That’s hilarious because I also was thinking “(Michael) Beasley with a brain.”
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Post#219 » by Colbinii » Thu Aug 8, 2024 2:18 pm

Michael Beasley was 6' 10", had a full-arsenal of on-ball creation and incredible shot making. He played nothing like TSJ.
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Post#220 » by KGdaBom » Thu Aug 8, 2024 3:31 pm

Colbinii wrote:Michael Beasley was 6' 10", had a full-arsenal of on-ball creation and incredible shot making. He played nothing like TSJ.

Beasley was taller, but both are/were looking to score every time they got the ball. I see some similarities more than just they both play basketball.

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