KAT for KD - MIN & PHX

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KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#1 » by Dan Verze » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:03 pm

PHX trades: KD
MIN trades: KAT
*

Perfect trade now with KD and Ant bonding, right? Salaries almost Identical.


*Edit: a user told me that bc of 2nd apron salaries need to be identical... I have an idea - MIN adds Minott who goes to CHA for Gordon Hayward TPE, works then
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#2 » by Godaddycurse » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:05 pm

Dan Verze wrote:PHX trades: KD
MIN trades: KAT


Perfect trade now with KD and Ant bonding, right? Salaries almost Identical.


both teams are in 2nd apron so they need to be exactly identical to work. almost is not good enough
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#3 » by Dan Verze » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:14 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Dan Verze wrote:PHX trades: KD
MIN trades: KAT


Perfect trade now with KD and Ant bonding, right? Salaries almost Identical.


both teams are in 2nd apron so they need to be exactly identical to work. almost is not good enough


I have an idea - MIN adds Minott who goes to CHA for Gordon Hayward TPE, works then
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#4 » by Colbinii » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:21 pm

Dan Verze wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Dan Verze wrote:PHX trades: KD
MIN trades: KAT


Perfect trade now with KD and Ant bonding, right? Salaries almost Identical.


both teams are in 2nd apron so they need to be exactly identical to work. almost is not good enough


I have an idea - MIN adds Minott who goes to CHA for Gordon Hayward TPE, works then


Minnesota can't aggregate.
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#5 » by Dan Verze » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:32 pm

Uff really? So there is no way the swap could be possible (except if one team comes under 2nd apron?)
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#6 » by BK_2020 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:33 pm

One of the rare situations where CBA impossibility is less of a hurdle than the trade value imbalance.
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#7 » by gswhoops » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:48 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Dan Verze wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
both teams are in 2nd apron so they need to be exactly identical to work. almost is not good enough


I have an idea - MIN adds Minott who goes to CHA for Gordon Hayward TPE, works then


Minnesota can't aggregate.

Yeah trades between two second apron teams are effectively impossible. The only way it would work is a 1-for-1 trade where the salaries match exactly, down to the dollar.
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#8 » by Colbinii » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:54 pm

gswhoops wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Dan Verze wrote:
I have an idea - MIN adds Minott who goes to CHA for Gordon Hayward TPE, works then


Minnesota can't aggregate.

Yeah trades between two second apron teams are effectively impossible. The only way it would work is a 1-for-1 trade where the salaries match exactly, down to the dollar.


So what you're saying is the deal should be Towns for Booker 8-)
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#9 » by brackdan70 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:29 pm

Dan Verze wrote:PHX trades: KD
MIN trades: KAT
*

Perfect trade now with KD and Ant bonding, right? Salaries almost Identical.


*Edit: a user told me that bc of 2nd apron salaries need to be identical... I have an idea - MIN adds Minott who goes to CHA for Gordon Hayward TPE, works then

Neither team can aggregate or take back more money. Can’t be done.
Both teams would have to make a tone of other trades first so they could get well under the 2nd apron.
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#10 » by winforlose » Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:01 pm

According to our board this trade is possible if KAT waives the trade kicker. That said, I think the Wolves would pass. KAT is our backup C and Naz showed he is not a C anymore throughout last season. We would be creating a roster hole with no player or money, or roster spot (15 is not gonna be used,) and no way to fill it. This trade doesn’t make the Wolves much better (if at all,) as KAT is quite a bit younger and plays better big man defense. Interesting idea, but ultimately DOA.
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#11 » by shrink » Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:21 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Dan Verze wrote:PHX trades: KD
MIN trades: KAT

Perfect trade now with KD and Ant bonding, right? Salaries almost Identical.


both teams are in 2nd apron so they need to be exactly identical to work. almost is not good enough

[EDIT] Aren’t they both at the 35% max? Towns starting his Designated Vet Extension raising him from 30% to 35% and Durant with 35% for his 10-year experience?

MIN has a trade kicker, but a TK can’t raise a player above the max. Ditto for KD’s likely incentives? Sources seem to have KD slightly higher (max?), and then Towns, if he wanted, could only add a small part of his TK to match.

I’m confused by the difference.
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#12 » by Godaddycurse » Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:47 pm

shrink wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Dan Verze wrote:PHX trades: KD
MIN trades: KAT

Perfect trade now with KD and Ant bonding, right? Salaries almost Identical.


both teams are in 2nd apron so they need to be exactly identical to work. almost is not good enough

Aren’t they both at the 30% max? Towns starting his Designated Vet Extension raising him from 25% to 30%, and Durant with 30% for his 10-year experience?

MIN has a trade kicker, but a TK can’t raise a player above the max. Ditto for KD’s likely incentives? Sources seem to have KD slightly higher (max?), and then Towns, if he wanted, could only add a small part of his TK to match.

I’m confused by the difference.


KD's contract was for 35% of the cap at the time i believe.
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#13 » by wolves_89 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:41 pm

shrink wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Dan Verze wrote:PHX trades: KD
MIN trades: KAT

Perfect trade now with KD and Ant bonding, right? Salaries almost Identical.


both teams are in 2nd apron so they need to be exactly identical to work. almost is not good enough

Aren’t they both at the 30% max? Towns starting his Designated Vet Extension raising him from 25% to 30%, and Durant with 30% for his 10-year experience?

MIN has a trade kicker, but a TK can’t raise a player above the max. Ditto for KD’s likely incentives? Sources seem to have KD slightly higher (max?), and then Towns, if he wanted, could only add a small part of his TK to match.

I’m confused by the difference.


The only way maximum contract guys would have identical salaries is if their contracts (or extensions) started in the same year at the same percentage of the cap.
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#14 » by shrink » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:53 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
shrink wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
both teams are in 2nd apron so they need to be exactly identical to work. almost is not good enough

Aren’t they both at the 30% max? Towns starting his Designated Vet Extension raising him from 25% to 30%, and Durant with 30% for his 10-year experience?

MIN has a trade kicker, but a TK can’t raise a player above the max. Ditto for KD’s likely incentives? Sources seem to have KD slightly higher (max?), and then Towns, if he wanted, could only add a small part of his TK to match.

I’m confused by the difference.


KD's contract was for 35% of the cap at the time i believe.

Sorry, I meant both 35%. KAT 30+5%. I was thinking of Ant 25+5%. I’ll edit.

So is KD’s deal slightly higher because instead of taking the 35% extension, he took his 105% option on previous salary?
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#15 » by BK_2020 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:37 pm

shrink wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
shrink wrote:Aren’t they both at the 30% max? Towns starting his Designated Vet Extension raising him from 25% to 30%, and Durant with 30% for his 10-year experience?

MIN has a trade kicker, but a TK can’t raise a player above the max. Ditto for KD’s likely incentives? Sources seem to have KD slightly higher (max?), and then Towns, if he wanted, could only add a small part of his TK to match.

I’m confused by the difference.


KD's contract was for 35% of the cap at the time i believe.

Sorry, I meant both 35%. KAT 30+5%. I was thinking of Ant 25+5%. I’ll edit.

So is KD’s deal slightly higher because instead of taking the 35% extension, he took his 105% option on previous salary?

I don't think you can go above 35% no matter what.
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#16 » by Mr Puddles » Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:49 pm

Colbinii wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Minnesota can't aggregate.

Yeah trades between two second apron teams are effectively impossible. The only way it would work is a 1-for-1 trade where the salaries match exactly, down to the dollar.


So what you're saying is the deal should be Towns for Booker 8-)


I think what he's saying is that the deal should Beal for Ant. The goal after all is to pair Ant and KD together on the same team. Beal would have to relinghish about 5 mil of is anual salary to make the trade work, but I'm sure he'd be willing to do that for the greater good.
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Post#17 » by Mr Puddles » Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:13 pm

Before discussing if it works under the CBA maybe we get a justification first as to why the Suns would even entertain this idea?

Other than altruism, why exactly are the Suns trading for a worse player who doesn't address any of the team's needs?
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#18 » by Colbinii » Thu Aug 1, 2024 1:01 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Yeah trades between two second apron teams are effectively impossible. The only way it would work is a 1-for-1 trade where the salaries match exactly, down to the dollar.


So what you're saying is the deal should be Towns for Booker 8-)


I think what he's saying is that the deal should Beal for Ant. The goal after all is to pair Ant and KD together on the same team. Beal would have to relinghish about 5 mil of is anual salary to make the trade work, but I'm sure he'd be willing to do that for the greater good.


While both sides would be dumb not to do the deal, Beal declines coming to MN. He decides that the great State of Minnesota is too worthy of his talent.
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Post#19 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Aug 1, 2024 7:23 pm

This trade is possible. I was playing around with it yesterday and you have to add another player for both teams to make the salaries the exact match.

So this is a realistic trade. Good idea OP.
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Re: KAT for KD - MIN & PHX 

Post#20 » by Fo-Real » Thu Aug 1, 2024 8:20 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:This trade is possible. I was playing around with it yesterday and you have to add another player for both teams to make the salaries the exact match.

So this is a realistic trade. Good idea OP.


neither can add salaries.

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