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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#321 » by RookieStar » Fri Aug 9, 2024 2:40 am

Knightro wrote:France was one horrendously bad phantom foul call on a 4 point play against Japan away from not even getting out of group play.


Oorrrr one bogus weird Rui-ejection from losing that before
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#322 » by pepe1991 » Fri Aug 9, 2024 5:39 am

:lol:

wtf are you guys talking about ? :lol:

Japan had same identical shadow call on 4 point play in 4th quater as well.

Rui is damn idiot for two unsportmenship fouls that were not provoked. He bodychecks smallest player where he could easly contest layup (or commit normal foul for that matter ), and in second play on Gobert it's so dirty that it's enough to get him ejected on it's own. Grabbing dunker by the elbow (and pulling with force) can easly be fathal, if Gobert fell any worst he could easly break hand or pop shoulder for pretty much career ending injury. That s*** has no place in pro basketball.

But non of it matters, Japan's coach is fool and his decision to not foul while being up by 4 with 10 sec to play lost him a game. Every Europien coach would foul and have ball in hands of his team with 10 sec to play with either 2,3 or 4 points differential.
Instad, his players close down on 3 point play like it's buzzerbeater and get worst from it. Play silly games win silly prices.


You say France didn't deserve to go to finals? National team sports hardly ever have "deserving" teams winning. Euro 2016 in soccer, Portugal won whole thing with 3 draws in group stage, overtime vs Croatia, penality vs Poland, and overtime vs France. In 7 games, they only won ONE game in regular time.


anyway, Serbia vs US game was better and way more watchable than France vs Germany where both teams had no rythm nor offensive creativity to save their lifes. Gemany only played 1 good quater, it was first one, and it was damn great one. But after that :
1) second quater 3-13 FG, 7 turnovers
2) third quater 7-20 FG
3) fourth quater 6-16 FG

Good luck beating anybody with 16-49 FG
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#323 » by Blue_and_Whte » Fri Aug 9, 2024 9:39 am

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pepe1991 wrote:shocking that more people comment on game of Germany than US vs Serbia game, that is way more shocking half time.


Comment here? Because we are all on Team Wagner. I mean I comment more on GER/WagnerBros rather than CAN...Its also easier to cheer/support someone thats actually a nice human being rather than Ledouce/Lehypocrite just because he plays for your country.

In all honesty part of me wouldn’t have been disappointed to see this iteration of Team USA to lose. They’re just not likable.
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#324 » by pepe1991 » Fri Aug 9, 2024 10:24 am

My biggest takaway is notion that every single US superstar is at it's tail end of his career.

And you look guys like Hali, Tatum etc non of them is level of Steph, Curry, Lebron. Not even close actually.

Might as well see massive France domination in comming years. They just gave back to back 1# picks.
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#325 » by tooler » Fri Aug 9, 2024 11:22 am

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FFBlitzace wrote:Franz has flaws of course, he's not a guy that's going to be a top 10 NBA player at any point in his career. But I feel like a very bizarre and unfair level of scrutiny has developed around him amongst general NBA followers. Like come on, he's a legitimately good player, he's still very young, and nobody is claiming he's elite anyway, so where is this coming from.

Yeah.. in GB they are calling him " Elimination Game Franz" when he stinks it up in do-or-dies

Although the GB is always stupid, what’s extra dumb about this one is Franz has played well in a lot of elimination games. Game 6 against the Cavs, and every game past the group stage in international play is technically an elimination game.

Eventually you’re going to lose an elimination game, and often teams lose games because their best players have bad games. This shouldn’t be a surprise.
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#326 » by pepe1991 » Fri Aug 9, 2024 12:01 pm

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FFBlitzace wrote:Franz has flaws of course, he's not a guy that's going to be a top 10 NBA player at any point in his career. But I feel like a very bizarre and unfair level of scrutiny has developed around him amongst general NBA followers. Like come on, he's a legitimately good player, he's still very young, and nobody is claiming he's elite anyway, so where is this coming from.

Yeah.. in GB they are calling him " Elimination Game Franz" when he stinks it up in do-or-dies

Although the GB is always stupid, what’s extra dumb about this one is Franz has played well in a lot of elimination games. Game 6 against the Cavs, and every game past the group stage in international play is technically an elimination game.

Eventually you’re going to lose an elimination game, and often teams lose games because their best players have bad games. This shouldn’t be a surprise.


i just wasted 10 min of my life reading general board comments.

Conclusion: group of complete imbeciles that know as much about basketball as average nba player knows about nuclear science.

There is whole thread about Embiid and how he "outplayed Jokic".

Like , really? You have Lebron, Durant and Curry sharing the floor, might be one of best trios to ever share basketball floor, you have Serbia with Jokic and several nba role players, and your takaway is Embiid> Jokic?

As i've said. Imbeciles.
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#327 » by DiplomaticMagic » Fri Aug 9, 2024 3:48 pm

Watching Serbia....a guy like Bogdan Bogdanovic is the type of player we need.
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#328 » by tiderulz » Fri Aug 9, 2024 4:06 pm

eyriq wrote:Rough loss, not on Franz though

not necessarily on him....but best player on that team and he only took 10 shots
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#329 » by eyriq » Fri Aug 9, 2024 4:52 pm

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eyriq wrote:Rough loss, not on Franz though

not necessarily on him....but best player on that team and he only took 10 shots
10 points on around 8 possessions is a good offensive performance. He also mixed in 3 assists, 2 steals, and 5 defensive rebounds. He played great defense as usual. He led the team in +/-. He should have played more.
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#330 » by Bakomagic » Fri Aug 9, 2024 5:47 pm

pepe1991 wrote:My biggest takaway is notion that every single US superstar is at it's tail end of his career.

And you look guys like Hali, Tatum etc non of them is level of Steph, Curry, Lebron. Not even close actually.

Might as well see massive France domination in comming years. They just gave back to back 1# picks.



You think France is going to dominate the US in basketball haha, gladly take that bet.

People weirdly ignore that US has a talented group of young players that will also continue to develop and improve.

Halliburton/Brunson/D.Fox/Morant
Edwards/Booker/Maxey
Tatum/J.Williams/B. Miller
Paolo/Zion/Cooper Flag
J.Jackson/Chet/Evan Mobley

*I am sure I am missing several all star level players that will be available/worthy.

US will continue to be the prohibitive favorite due to their astonishing high level depth.
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Post#331 » by tiderulz » Fri Aug 9, 2024 6:46 pm

eyriq wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
eyriq wrote:Rough loss, not on Franz though

not necessarily on him....but best player on that team and he only took 10 shots
10 points on around 8 possessions is a good offensive performance. He also mixed in 3 assists, 2 steals, and 5 defensive rebounds. He played great defense as usual. He led the team in +/-. He should have played more.

yes, this is national team and not the NBA. but with his new deal, him being the best person on the team he needs to demand the ball and take more than 10 shots. Yes, we know the extras that he brings, that's part of why he garnered his giant deal. again, im not saying the loss is on him but he needs to demand more of a role with that team. this isnt a team with Durant, Booker, Ant, etc. He doesnt need to be deferring to anyone
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Post#332 » by RookieStar » Fri Aug 9, 2024 9:37 pm

tiderulz wrote:
eyriq wrote:Rough loss, not on Franz though

not necessarily on him....but best player on that team and he only took 10 shots


The entire FRA team was geared to stop him based on the interview by that French player. Guess Schroeder wasn't enought to take the pressure off the defense against Franz.
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#333 » by RookieStar » Fri Aug 9, 2024 9:38 pm

eyriq wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
eyriq wrote:Rough loss, not on Franz though

not necessarily on him....but best player on that team and he only took 10 shots
10 points on around 8 possessions is a good offensive performance. He also mixed in 3 assists, 2 steals, and 5 defensive rebounds. He played great defense as usual. He led the team in +/-. He should have played more.


Some comments said that because Franz got that 2nd foul, he sat a lot durng the 1st half. If so.. that was dumb by the coach.
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#334 » by pepe1991 » Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:54 am

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pepe1991 wrote:My biggest takaway is notion that every single US superstar is at it's tail end of his career.

And you look guys like Hali, Tatum etc non of them is level of Steph, Curry, Lebron. Not even close actually.

Might as well see massive France domination in comming years. They just gave back to back 1# picks.



You think France is going to dominate the US in basketball haha, gladly take that bet.

People weirdly ignore that US has a talented group of young players that will also continue to develop and improve.

Halliburton/Brunson/D.Fox/Morant
Edwards/Booker/Maxey
Tatum/J.Williams/B. Miller
Paolo/Zion/Cooper Flag
J.Jackson/Chet/Evan Mobley

*I am sure I am missing several all star level players that will be available/worthy.

US will continue to be the prohibitive favorite due to their astonishing high level depth.


Non of people you mentioned are nowhere near as good as Lebron / Curry / Durant who are all top 20 players of all time.

Matter of fact they are so inferior talent vise to them, that 40 years old Lebron is still better than any other US player not named probably Kevin & Steph ( probably impact vise Embiid & Davis).

Take one of Lebron/Steph two days ago from US team and you would have Jokic beating US team by himself. They were literally 2 possessions away.
World cup showed execlly that. Wooden medal for US, being beaten by Germany and Canada.

Once you remove "old stars"; current NBA best players are mostly all international players. Giannis, Jokic, SGA, Luka are probably 4 out of 6-7 best players in the world. ( needless to say Embiid is as much of American as Jokic is , he just tagged along because he knows he will never win jack sh*** otherwise ).


But that's not all, France will be stacked.
Guy with biggest ceiling in basketball today- Victor.

2024 draft within top 6 selections has French players being taken: 1# , 2# and 6# + 25th pick
2025 early mocks have have Traore going 2# ( again, French player) + Noa Essengue will be probably lottery pick as well.

There is Coulibaly, whatever Ousmane Dieng can become etc.

So in 4 years they will have at *at least* 5 lottery selected players ( top 10) in that roster from 2023-2025 alone.

Is it given they will be "dominate" or even be great? No. But it would be foolish to not see all the upcomming talent on that roster to sleep on them.
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Re: Olympics - OQT 

Post#335 » by Medford » Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:40 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Watching Serbia....a guy like Bogdan Bogdanovic is the type of player we need.

Seems to be a great backup guard. Provides a little bit of everything, even some playmaking.
Still remember him being interviewed right after the world cup final loss last year. Guy is a class act, will always hold him into high regards.

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Post#336 » by jezzerinho » Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:42 am

Franz might be dominating offensively but he is absolutely wrecking Serbia on the D side in the 2nd Q.

Incredible effort and productivity.
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Post#337 » by KillMonger » Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:44 am

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Post#338 » by RookieStar » Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:44 am

Franz still clanking his 3s.... everything else.. he is like Giannis.
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Post#339 » by jezzerinho » Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:44 am

Medford wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:Watching Serbia....a guy like Bogdan Bogdanovic is the type of player we need.

Seems to be a great backup guard. Provides a little bit of everything, even some playmaking.
Still remember him being interviewed right after the world cup final loss last year. Guy is a class act, will always hold him into high regards.



Bogi is probably the best contract in the NBA, value for money wise. Nobody is getting Bogi off Atl.
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Post#340 » by jezzerinho » Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:46 am

There was a stretch last season where it seemed Moe couldn't miss at the rim. Since the playoff tho, his touch has just evaporated.

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